Speculation: Roster building thread XXIII: Heading into doldrum days and All Star break

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To me, Skjei is a nice piece for Toronto.

The Rangers and Leafs have danced around a number of names over the years --- McD, Nylander, Kapanen, Skjei, Georgiev, etc.

There's a belief internally that a Nylander deal would have to include some combination of Skjei, Georgiev and Kravtsov.

So there's always been a steady mutual interest from both parties, and yet they have connected on a completion yet.

The irony is that many of the teams who are going to be in contact with the Rangers, are the same teams they were talking to two years and last year. You're going to have Colorado, Boston, Toronto and Edmonton in talks over the next few weeks.
 
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Well, that's the thing, I don't know if we can separate the 7x7 and the NMC from the deal.

It's similar to what I said last year with Hayes. These conversations, in terms of what the potential deal looks like, are almost identical.

Each thing we hope he takes off the table adds up.

Let's say we're comfortable with $6 million per over 6 years. That's $13 million dollars under market we're asking him to leave on the table. That's a lot.

We're not talking about a couple of million here and there, on a long-term deal, his market value compared to what we're comfortable with could be significant. And, based on what's transpired to this point, I think it very well might be.

Like I said, I'd offer 42M. If that's not good enough and they want the maximum to play for Jersey or Ottawa, we'll see you at the video tribute next year.
 
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And back to salary structures - Kapenen will bring with him a $3.2 million hit, so if we factor out Georgiev's salary, that's an addition of roughly $2.5 million.

If the package is expanded, and includes another salary, you could be talking an addition of $3.5 million.

So I'm using this as an example of how the trades we're looking at, are going to result in budget changes. We have to consider these into our calculations as we move forward.

But remember that Georgiev is an RFA. His new contract will likely be a tad under what Kapanen is making, so the salaries will almost wash.
 
I feel like I like them on the same roster.

Kapenen on the third line, Fast on the fourth. Actual ****ing depth.

(That last line isn't directed at you, it's more of a plea to the concept of roster building.)

you know what I’m not sure it matters who’s on the 4th line. I just don’t think Quinn likes to roll 4 lines much. Think he just likes to ride his top lines.
 
The thing with the argument that we traded Zucc, Hayes, Nash, McDonagh, etc so we might as well trade Kreider too is that those were all needed things because at those times we desperately needed young assets that we got in return.

At this point, there's a legitimate question as to what this organization needs more between more young assets/picks and established veteran top 6 forwards who provide leadership and stability.

Without Kreider and with Strome and Fast in question, the only experienced players in the entire forward group are Panarin who has been in NY a year, Mika, and Buchnevich who doesn't really seem to be a leader by any means. At some point you have to ask yourself if you're teetering on the edge of an Oilers type tear down where you tear down too deep, try to backfill leadership with UFA retread who have no experience in your organization, and you end up with a bunch of talented kids trying to swim in the deep end all alone.

There is nobody to replace Kreider either from an on-ice perspective or from a leadership perspective. People saying Kakko can replace Kreider on ice are really reducing both guys down. Both are big guys who play some kind of power forward game, but Kakko isn't a net front player like Kreider is and even though his skating will definitely improve, he'll almost certainly never have Kreider's speed to push D back. Those are probably the two biggest parts of Kreider's game. Leadership wise, there's more to it than being a supportive person or someone who can rally the guys behind you. A team also needs some leaders who are comfortable and established within the organization, which Kreider and very few other guys left are. It's hard to go to someone for support when they're just getting comfortable themselves.

So, yeah we did move a ton of veterans that people were attached to and it did end up being beneficial, but the team today isn't the same team the those guys were taken off of. There's real reasons to doubt that trading Kreider will be beneficial.

Im on the same page. I don't think #20 is as easily replaceable as every seems to think.

Ive been a proponent to the rebuild from the start.
I was completely on board to trade Zucc. He earned a spot more then anyone. Took less to stay. But, he was a few years older, smaller, slower and played a different role. Trading him was a no brainer.
I was completely on board to trade Hayes. I loved Hayes, but knowing a $7 mil cap hit for for a 3rd line center just wasn't good allocation of funds.
I was completely on board to trade Rick Nash. He was cooked.
I was completely on board to trade McDonagh. He was a great athlete, but i felt he never showed up to the big game, nor did i feel the Rangers would ever win with him as Captain.

I am not on board to trade Kreider becuase i think he could be an integral part to the club moving forward.

New additions have been great. Almost all of them. It takes some of the burden off of the guys that were carrying the load. The players that are developing, are also going to factor here in terms of keeping #20. I think he's an excellent player to mentor these kids.

I too fear the number or the new cap hit if they keep him. But...Good GM's get deals done. I believe Gorton to be a good GM. Get him to stay for less. Get #18 out. Figure out the Hank situation. Move #76. Maybe move #89. Get creative, and Get-r-done.
 
you know what I’m not sure it matters who’s on the 4th line. I just don’t think Quinn likes to roll 4 lines much. Think he just likes to ride his top lines.

Well, he likes Fast. So I think Fast on the fourth line, and having guys he feels he trusts, would go a long way.
 
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I like kapanen as a Fast replacement

Or as Buch replacement if we want to keep Fast.

Like I said, I'd offer 42M. If that's not good enough and they want the maximum to play for Jersey or Ottawa, we'll see you at the video tribute next year.

Or the Avs, who have the space and interest. Or the Bruins, who’ve had interest for years. Or the Lightning, who can maneuver around some contracts to fit him in.
 
But remember that Georgiev is an RFA. His new contract will likely be a tad under what Kapanen is making, so the salaries will almost wash.

This is true. I meant it more in the sense that it wasn't a situation where we moved Georgiev and thus didn't have to worry about that cost. It'll be there, just with a different player.
 
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Or as Buch replacement if we want to keep Fast.



Or the Avs, who have the space and interest. Or the Bruins, who’ve had interest for years. Or the Lightning, who can maneuver around some contracts to fit him in.

Have fun Chris
 
Kapanen would be a nice add, would be surprised if we can even get him for Geo so the fact that he alone might not be enough is interesting.
 
What about a package with Georgie? I'd rather get one top piece than two lower-tier pieces if you catch my meaning.
That’s where things get complicated. Take Toronto for example. The bigger piece there would by Nylander. Kind of hard moving a 23 year old signed lonterm who has 2 60 point seasons in his resume and is on pace for 70 this year.

If Toronto moves him I imagine they would target a stud on D instead of a Geo/Skjei package.
 
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The Rangers and Leafs have danced around a number of names over the years --- McD, Nylander, Kapanen, Skjei, Georgiev, etc.

There's a belief internally that a Nylander deal would have to include some combination of Skjei, Georgiev and Kravtsov.

So there's always been a steady mutual interest from both parties, and yet they have connected on a completion yet.

The irony is that many of the teams who are going to be in contact with the Rangers, are the same teams they were talking to two years and last year. You're going to have Colorado, Boston, Toronto and Edmonton in talks over the next few weeks.

I'd be interested in a Kapanen/Georgiev swap, I think that's fair value.

But the deal to pursue IMO would be the possible Skjei+Georgiev for Nylander
 
Kapanen doesn't blow my socks off but we badly need young winger depth. Same reason we should be keeping Buchnevich around.
 
Mirtle believes the Rangers will have a tough time getting a quality young NHL player for Georgiev and they will have to lower their price. He believes Gregoriev’s value is hurt by the expansion draft. An NHL executive called Georgiev “intriguing”.

Mirtle needs to take a closer look at the goaltending situations around the NHL. There is not a better option than Georgiev. He could start on many teams as their #1. He is the best goaltender on the Rangers. So many teams don’t have a goalie worth protecting in expansion. We will see. The Rangers should wait until the summer.

Georgiev is three years away from Group III. Talbot was a different case. He had signed a one year contract extension during the 14-15 season. He could not sign another contract until January 1st of the 15-16 season. Talbot had just a one year contract and then he was unrestricted.
 
That’s where things get complicated. Take Toronto for example. The bigger piece there would by Nylander. Kind of hard moving a 23 year old signed lonterm who has 2 60 point seasons in his resume and is on pace for 70 this year.

If Toronto moves him I imagine they would target a stud on D instead of a Geo/Skjei package.

The challenge for Toronto is that they supposedly also want some cap flexibility. So either they need to find that, or they need to see if they can fill multiple areas for the same price as one player --- albeit one very good player.
 
The Rangers aren’t getting Nylander. Unless we have an equal value shutdown defenseman at a lower cost to send back, he’s not going to be traded. Skjei and Georgiev isn’t close. Add Kravtsov to that and maybe. Nylander is a stud and is only going to get better.
 
The Rangers aren’t getting Nylander. Unless we have an equal value shutdown defenseman at a lower cost to send back, he’s not going to be traded. Skjei and Georgiev isn’t close. Add Kravtsov to that and maybe. Nylander is a stud and is only going to get better.

I agree, the belief is that Kravtsov would likely be part of any deal there.
 
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The Rangers aren’t getting Nylander. Unless we have an equal value shutdown defenseman at a lower cost to send back, he’s not going to be traded. Skjei and Georgiev isn’t close. Add Kravtsov to that and maybe. Nylander is a stud and is only going to get better.

Wonder if Skjei, Georgiev and Lundkvist would be enough for Nylander. I'd have to seriously consider that.
 
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