Speculation: Roster building thread XXIII: Heading into doldrum days and All Star break

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Maybe I'm over simplifying this but why not:

Trade Skjei
Trade Geo
Trade Fast

Resign Kreider (5 years) with Skjei money. Take Strome to arbitration. Bridge Tony until Lundqvist is off the books and then give ADA the long term contract after that. I'm sure one of our many RD can play the left side. I feel like this would be the most conservative solution.
 
Do the Rangers have something going with the Flyers?





Lehigh Valley Phantoms photographer twitter account.

The Rangers scouted the Flyers AHL team 2x in the last few days.

Morgan Frost played in those games.

The Flyers also have Joel Farabee.

The Flyers need a righty D. They bring home local Tony D.

How are the Rangers replacing Kreider's speed? Farabee.

The Rangers have Nils Lundkivist to replace DeAngelo.


Nolan Patrick as a piece? The Rangers liked him in draft year and clearly things haven’t gone well in Philly due to injuries.
 
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Was doing a little exercise in projecting the 20-21 roster cap situation. The only projected trade here is Georgiev for Kapanen (Johnssen, has the exact same cap implications fwiw) as the 3 goalie rotation makes a trade for Georgie a foregone conclusion. I think that if we trade Georgiev for another similar young NHL forward the cap number should look roughly the same. I estimated our RFA contracts for Strome (5m x 4 years), DeAngelo( 5m x 3 years) and Lemieux( 2m x 2 years) I think these are all pretty reasonable contracts for these 3 guys at this point in time. This clearly does take any consideration for players that might be returned in deadline deals for our expiring forwards (Kreider, Fast).
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As you can see below, if we end up plugging any remaining holes in our lineup with players in our own system on ELCs, or if we just sign replacement level players (Ala Mckegg, DiGuiesseppe, Haley) the cap situation, while tight, will be managable for next year. I am unsure of what the cap is projected for next year, but as per a little research it is projected to go up at the minimum $1mm to 82.5, but maybe $2mm+ for a cap ceiling of 83.5. A buyout of Marc Staal will save $2.1m against the cap (effectively 1.3m when considering Hajek/Rykov/Lindgren replacing him with their salary), a buyout of Brendan Smith only save 1.5m on the cap so if it comes to that I think he just gets buried. They could play hardball and go to arbitration again for DeAngelo or Lemiuex and save a few million on their contracts (less than ideal, as we saw what playing hardball with DeAngelo this past offfseason is costing them, but still an option if not a last resort). Of course the situation could look very different if Strome or DeAngelo (or even Buch) also get moved during the off season, but if it comes to that then theres really no point in projecting the cap as the team could have a very different makeup.

As it stands, next season should be the final season where the team should be considered having a rebuilding season. After the 20-21 season, an extra $23 million comes off the books through hank (8.5) Staal (5.7) Smith(4.35) and Shattenkirk (buyout goes from 6m to 1.4m, so 4.6 in space)). On top of that, there will be a new TV contract which could drastically change the cap landscape, as well as the expansion draft for the new Seattle team. The typicall 7F 3D 1G protection scheme leaves us losing a player like Howden, Lemieux, Lindgren. All in all, I think the roster is coming along great and am excited to see what this deadline/draft/offseason brings for the future of the franchise.
 
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Do the Rangers have something going with the Flyers?





Lehigh Valley Phantoms photographer twitter account.

The Rangers scouted the Flyers AHL team 2x in the last few days.

Morgan Frost played in those games.

The Flyers also have Joel Farabee.

The Flyers need a righty D. They bring home local Tony D.

How are the Rangers replacing Kreider's speed? Farabee.

The Rangers have Nils Lundkivist to replace DeAngelo.


Farabee was my fav player in the 18 draft. Liked him more then most of the players in all the top 10 lists. I think he is progressing really well. Would love to see him in a Rangers sweater.
 
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Farabee was my fav player in the 18 draft. Liked him more then most of the players in all the top 10 lists. I think he is progressing really well. Would love to see him in a Rangers sweater.
Same here. I didn’t think the Rangers should have drafted him where they were, but I did wish they were in a better position to grab him. Definitely the motor on the Hughes/Wahlstrom line and just a player type that I truly enjoy watching. Would love to grab him, but I’d be hesitant if it meant dealing Tony D.
 
Was doing a little exercise in projecting the 20-21 roster cap situation. The only projected trade here is Georgiev for Kapanen (Johnssen, has the exact same cap implications fwiw) as the 3 goalie rotation makes a trade for Georgie a foregone conclusion. I think that if we trade Georgiev for another similar young NHL forward the cap number should look roughly the same. I estimated our RFA contracts for Strome (5m x 4 years), DeAngelo( 5m x 3 years) and Lemieux( 2m x 2 years) I think these are all pretty reasonable contracts for these 3 guys at this point in time. This clearly does take any consideration for players that might be returned in deadline deals for our expiring forwards (Kreider, Fast).
cCs8vhM.png


As you can see below, if we end up plugging any remaining holes in our lineup with players in our own system on ELCs, or if we just sign replacement level players (Ala Mckegg, DiGuiesseppe, Haley) the cap situation, while tight, will be managable for next year. I am unsure of what the cap is projected for next year, but as per a little research it is projected to go up at the minimum $1mm to 82.5, but maybe $2mm+ for a cap ceiling of 83.5. A buyout of Marc Staal will save $2.1m against the cap (effectively 1.3m when considering Hajek/Rykov/Lindgren replacing him with their salary), a buyout of Brendan Smith only save 1.5m on the cap so if it comes to that I think he just gets buried. They could play hardball and go to arbitration again for DeAngelo or Lemiuex and save a few million on their contracts (less than ideal, as we saw what playing hardball with DeAngelo this past offfseason is costing them, but still an option if not a last resort). Of course the situation could look very different if Strome or DeAngelo (or even Buch) also get moved during the off season, but if it comes to that then theres really no point in projecting the cap as the team could have a very different makeup.

As it stands, next season should be the final season where the team should be considered having a rebuilding season. After the 20-21 season, an extra $23 million comes off the books through hank (8.5) Staal (5.7) Smith(4.35) and Shattenkirk (buyout goes from 6m to 1.4m, so 4.6 in space)). On top of that, there will be a new TV contract which could drastically change the cap landscape, as well as the expansion draft for the new Seattle team. The typicall 7F 3D 1G protection scheme leaves us losing a player like Howden, Lemieux, Lindgren. All in all, I think the roster is coming along great and am excited to see what this deadline/draft/offseason brings for the future of the franchise.
Looking at that forward group, unless Kakko and Kravtsov make huge strides there's a good chance the team is worse next season.
 
We'll know for sure if ADA is traded.

one has nothing to do with the other though...first there are 2 groups of people claiming the rangers are looking to trade ADA 1) people that hate ADA and 2) people that hate trouba. people actually in the organization can't step talking about how much they love him...they aren't going to trade him cause Nils Lundkvist might be here in 2 years.

in the unlikely scenario that he does get traded it will be because the team believes that his current trade value far exceeds his true value because of the year he is having IMO
 
Nolan Patrick as a piece? The Rangers liked him in draft year and clearly things haven’t gone well in Philly due to injuries.

I'd roll the dice if all we're trading them is, like, Fast+picks. Patrick's been out this entire season so far due to "migraines" on top of the rest of his list of injuries.
 
We're looking at what player pairs best with Colorado's 1st round pick to move Kreider for
 
reminder as we head into the deadline...teams have lots of scouts and they scout lots of games. (unless the someone is a higher up like JG himself) you shouldn't read into this...the number of times that we are scouting another team cause there is a deal in the works is probably less than 1% of the time
 
Maybe I'm over simplifying this but why not:

Trade Skjei
Trade Geo
Trade Fast

Resign Kreider (5 years) with Skjei money. Take Strome to arbitration. Bridge Tony until Lundqvist is off the books and then give ADA the long term contract after that. I'm sure one of our many RD can play the left side. I feel like this would be the most conservative solution.

I hope Kreider is resigned but if he gets traded, I really want and hope for a Rick Nash return for Kreider. Kreider one of the best net front goal scorers in the league who has playoff experience and is decently productive in the playoffs..
 
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Ada and krieder for Newhook and byram. Otherwise I don't think that I'm trading deangelo. If he is traded to Philadelphia it would have to be both frost and farabee minimum
If Boston loves krieder I would ask for debrusk and Beecher
 
Ada and krieder for Newhook and byram. Otherwise I don't think that I'm trading deangelo. If he is traded to Philadelphia it would have to be both frost and farabee minimum
If Boston loves krieder I would ask for debrusk and Beecher

Sakic would be forcefully removed from his position by the Avs fans. Zero chance they move Byram.
 
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