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Speculation: Roster Building Thread XLVIII - “Into the Heartland”

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Lion Hound said:
We talked Backes for Staal or Shatty quite a bit in this thread during the season. It made sense prior to the Rangers acquiring Trouba and Fox. Now that Trouba and Fox are NYR's property it makes a ton of sense.
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But does it make sense for Boston? I don't think so. I'm sure they wouldn't mind getting rid of Backes, but they have no use for Shatty unless Miller can't come back from his knee injury. Maybe if we retain 50% they would do it just for the cap savings, but not at full price.
 
Still don't see the Rangers offer sheeting anyone but the Rangers could:

1. Swap picks with Dallas so they insulate themselves from a bad season if they sign Zucc and have to surrender the 2020 1st. They give the 2019 1st and 2020 2nd instead.

2. They adjust the Carolina deal to give up the Dallas 2nd next year if the Fox conditions are met.

That's quite a few hoops to jump through but it's not totally implausible. Still, if you got that pick back who is actually in a bad enough spot that they wouldn't match a 2x 1st, 2nd, 3rd offer sheet? That's well within reason for Toronto to match on Marner. Jets have space. Tampa would probably find a way to to clear cap and match. Tkachuk is a great player but that's a bit rich for him contract wise.

Still just makes no sense.
 
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NYR Viper said:
You’ll need two guys who play that role. I believe Kreider is going to be traded so that’s the guy who has done it in the past. Perry has had that role for a long time. Let Lemieux learn from him
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Only way I even think we should entertain this is 1 year at league minimum. He is a shell of his former self, he can't teach on the ice if he can't do it himself. If you want him to teach as a coach, that is another story.
 
Trxjw said:
Still don't see the Rangers offer sheeting anyone but the Rangers could:

1. Swap picks with Dallas so they insulate themselves from a bad season if they sign Zucc and have to surrender the 2020 1st. They give the 2019 1st and 2020 2nd instead.

2. They adjust the Carolina deal to give up the Dallas 2nd next year if the Fox conditions are met.

That's quite a few hoops to jump through but it's not totally implausible. Still, if you got that pick back who is actually in a bad enough spot that they wouldn't match a 2x 1st, 2nd, 3rd offer sheet? That's well within reason for Toronto to match on Marner. Jets have space. Tampa would probably find a way to to clear cap and match. Tkachuk is a great player but that's a bit rich for him contract wise.

Still just makes no sense.
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Our 3rd rounder is tied up in the Fox deal too. The easiest way to rectify it, if we want those picks, is to just offer Carolina the Dallas 2019 2nd round pick to drop the condition. So they would get our 2nd this year, Dallas' 2nd this year, and no picks next year.
 
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Edge said:
To add to this, so it doesn't look like I'm just freestyling and trying to pop anyone's balloons:

"The Rangers have found essentially no interest in Smith or Shattenkirk on the trade market, even with a 50% contract retention. It is possible the Blueshirts could move Shattenkirk in return for taking on an odious contract, but it doesn’t seem likely they would go that route."

https://nypost.com/2019/06/11/rangers-arent-shying-away-from-buyouts-this-summer/

The only thing I disagree with is that the Rangers are oppossed to taking on a contract. It would just have to be a similar contract.
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I find it HIGHLY unlikely that no team will take Shatty at 50%. HIGHLY UNLIKELY.
 
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GregSirico said:
I find it HIGHLY unlikely that no team will take Shatty at 50%. HIGHLY UNLIKELY.
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We'll see what happens. But I've got three people telling me they'd move him if they could at 50%, and a guy out west telling me that there hasn't been much interest in that conference for him. So unless someone pops up, I just don't know who the mystery teams are that are lurking in the shadows.
 
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I'm not advocating a buyout of Shattenkirk, but it wouldn't be that bad.

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IMO The only way this scenario comes into play, is for signing a Panarin and/or a player of that caliber
 
GregSirico said:
I find it HIGHLY unlikely that no team will take Shatty at 50%. HIGHLY UNLIKELY.
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Why? If you were another team looking for a RHD, would you trade for Shatty@50% with 2 years left? Or would you first explore signing guys like Myers or Stralman? Or would you explore other trade options like Barrie, Colin Miller, Spurgeon, Brodie or Hamonic? There are plenty of better options out there than Shattenkirk. Teams will exhaust those options first.
 
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Fitzy said:
Don't buy out Shattenkirk yet. If there's no market give I'm another year of more sheltered minutes to prove himself. There's room for all 4rhd in the lineup of they play well enough.
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The only way to shelter him more than last year, is to leave him in the press box
 
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GAGLine said:
Why? If you were another team looking for a RHD, would you trade for Shatty@50% with 2 years left? Or would you first explore signing guys like Myers or Stralman? Or would you explore other trade options like Barrie, Colin Miller, Spurgeon, Brodie or Hamonic? There are plenty of better options out there than Shattenkirk. Teams will exhaust those options first.
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Becuase most of those will cost more?
 
I am starting to think we leave Fox in Hartford for most of the year and just play Shatty if you can't trade him and hope with Trouba sheltering him he looks good enough to trade at the deadline. I still say buy out is not an option, as the second year saves you almost nothing (so we will be looking to clear space again next summer, even with him bought out).
 
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All of this is linked. If Gorton moves Kreider, Vesey and Namestnikov, perhaps that opens up an option to take back a comparable forward contract for Shattenkirk. If not, there isn’t room there either
 
duhmetreE said:
Becuase most of those will cost more?
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They will, but they are also better players. If a team has the assets and/or cap space, why shouldn't they pursue the better player? We already have Shatty, but chose to trade quality assets for Trouba and will likely pay him up to 8 mil a year.

If teams strike out on plans A, B and C, maybe Shatty is plan D and we can move him. But he isn't at the top of anyone's list.
 
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Trxjw said:
Why would they trade a recent 4th overall pick for a guy who would walk at the end of the season?
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There was another tweet by Rishaug I think that said they are looking for a 3rd liner. Vesey fits the bill, but you're right that they would likely prefer someone with more term.
 
Not sure if it was @Edge or someone else, but the fact that Shatty was finding no takers when last he checked doesn't mean that there won't be down the road. Certainly, there's the chance that he could demonstrate improved play and rehabilitate his value, but there's also the fact that others' needs change. Trouba and Karlsson are now off the market – does that alter anyone's thinking? Maybe they're waiting for him to get bought out thinking they can then snag him on a $3MM contract – if the Rangers let the buyout windows go by and hang on to him, do they suddenly become more amenable to offering a 4A player or a 7th round pick in exchange?

Much as we'd all like to have our roster issues all resolved immediately, I just think it would be foolish to saddle ourselves with four years of dead cap space now, rather than wait to see what happens over the next 12 months. The option to buy him out will always be there again next year, if needed (at the cost of one less year's dead cap).
 
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