Speculation: Roster Building Thread XLVI: Dog Days Pending

[Machinehead]

Dude who the hell is going to make an offer on Girardi?

Ok well maybe Benning.

It's that they haven't asked.

 

[AIexisLafreniereNYR]

The Rangers could trade Stepan, Brassard, Mcdonagh and Kreider and they still wouldn't be a lottery team with Henrik They'll just be a team stuck in mediocrity

I beg to differ.. Nothing against Lundqvist, at his age I don't think he can carry a team without a offensive and defensive core. We'd be a bottom 5 team even with Henrik behind the net

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I don't mind "listening" on anyone and I do like going all out for Vesey. But if someone would really take Girardi and he's "not available" that would surely take the cake of decisions ever

 

[aufheben]

It's that they haven't asked.

Who hasn't?

 

[Machinehead]

Who hasn't?

The Rangers. They haven't even approached him about it and won't, per Brooks.

It's not that the other 29 teams have no interest in trading for him, it's that the Rangers have no interest in trading him.

 

[aufheben]

He sucks and has a terrible contract, what are they going to approach him about?

 

[Machinehead]

I would feel a lot better if the Rangers asked him to waive his NMC and he said no. I gather from the reports that the Rangers have no interest in trading him. I gather from his ice time that this is because the Rangers still think he's great.

If he was getting bottom 4 minutes, then I could say "ok the team probably feels there's no chance so they're not bothering," which is still stupid, but alright. But like I said, even this year when he so blatantly sucked, he was getting huge minutes.

 

[Leetch3]

teams never ask a guy to waive his NMC/NTC unless they actually have a deal in place. they aren't going to go to girardi and say 'hey man we think you suck balls and want to trade you' cause odds are no one wants him and we'll be stuck with him

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

If Gorton was rebuilding, I'd bring in Vanek with Minnesota retaining a bit, say 2 million, and then I'd flip him at half of what's left at the deadline for a pick. If they're smart, they would use their endless bucket of money to speed up a rebuild like this.

I think the max a team can retain is 50% if the original cap hit.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Look, I'm as done with Girardi (in terms of being a useful player at least) as anyone, but did anyone actually read the article? "Rangers will listen to offers on everyone but Hank, Buch, and Skjei". Girardi isn't in that group. I took it as "no one will trade for him, so they almost certainly aren't going to ask him to waivve because he won't need to because no one wants him".

In fact, I'm very encouraged by what Bus Stop Larry said. Everyone SHOULD be available. I cannot wait to see what happens this offseason.

Also, a big fat LOLOLOLOL to Jim Benning.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Brassard fits both St. Louis and Nashville like a glove. Both teams need skill, and St. Louis desperately needs to get faster. It's something I've been saying forever. The Blues are just too slow to be a cup winner in this era of the league They had a good run, but the Sharks are straight up better, and faster.

I'd be looking at at LEAST a top prospect and a first for Brassard. Kamaenv + 17, which RB proposed, would be excellent. Barbashev + 27(?) + something else would be what I want from St. Louis.

Dallas would be a perfect match for McD. Hoonka, Nichuskin, and a 1st...at least, is what I'd be looking at. I think Florida could be a big player for him as well. I'd target Bjugstad HARD, in general. Edmonton is an obvious match for McD. Would want Draisatl but I think he's a non starter.

For Nash, I don't know what team would be looking at him. Maybe Nashville as well. Packaging both Brass and Nash to Nashville would be very interesting and could bring back a huge bundle. Otherwise, a team like the Wild, Hurricanes, or Stars could use Nash. I think the Canes would be a darkhorse if he'd waive his NMC. Maybe Florida as well.

Stepan to Minnesota is interesting, as Brooksie brought up. I'd want Dumba and/or Coyle.

Seriously pumped for the draft.

 

[Machinehead]

Also, a big fat LOLOLOLOL to Jim Benning.

Yeah, could always be worse

 

[Beacon]

Nothing would make me happier than a fire sale, but I don't see the point of dealing away young vets like McDonagh and Stepan. They will still be around after rebuilding if we start doing it right now and they can lead the kids as they develop. Instead, deal Lundqvist, Nash, Brassard, Zuccarello, Staal, Girardi, Klein. We could get 9-10 first rounders or equivalent prospects for them. Throw in our own picks and prospects, and the rebuilding can be done in 3 years.

 

[Irishguy42]

I would feel a lot better if the Rangers asked him to waive his NMC and he said no. I gather from the reports that the Rangers have no interest in trading him. I gather from his ice time that this is because the Rangers still think he's great.

If he was getting bottom 4 minutes, then I could say "ok the team probably feels there's no chance so they're not bothering," which is still stupid, but alright. But like I said, even this year when he so blatantly sucked, he was getting huge minutes.

They likely didn't approach him because they couldn't/won't find a deal for him. No point in asking him to waive if they haven't found a team willing to get him. Duh. I highly doubt they didn't bother looking at ways to get rid of him. Buyout apparently doesn't sit well with them due to cap space reasons, which is understandable. And if they can't find a deal for him, then there is no point in asking him to waive.

As for his minutes, if you're going off what Brooks said, the Rangers are going to do something about that.

This really isn't all *that* bad.

 

[RangerBoy]

Nobody wants Girardi. The Rangers would have to take back a toxic contract in return. Maybe they will G won't be healthy enough to finish out the contract. They could potentially expose him in expansion. That would be the reason to buy him out if they couldn't expose him. Maybe the NHL and the PA have agreed G is exposable as an expiring NMC. That's assuming there is expansion for 17-18. The Rangers keeping G could provide a few hints about expansion in 17-18 and/or how the expiring NMC will be handled.

People focused too much on G. The entire team needs to be flushed and put back together,

 

[Ghost of jas]

That article sounds pretty exciting to me. I think Nash and one of Stepan or Brassard are goners. I 'd prefer to give up Brassard, and Minnesota would be a good landing spot for either Stepan or Brassard. A package of Dumba, Tuch and and the 17th pick overall would be sweet. I am expecting Gorton to pull in at least 2 1st round picks for the upcoming draft. I also still believe Staal's a goner and could see both Klein and Zucc gone in the right deal. McD's name might be out there, but it will have to be a massive overpayment for Gorton to move him.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

If the Wild offered Dumba, Tuch and the 17 o/a you take that deal and run.

When it comes to Brassard and Stepan, only one of the two would be dealt. Hard to imagine a scenario where both were.

 

[RGY]

Prefer to keep Hank, Stepan, Kreider, Hayes, Miller, Zucc, Lindberg, Fast, Buch, McDonagh, Klein, Skjei, and Mcilrath.

Would like to re-sign Yandle.

Sign Stamkos with the money saved from Brassard and possibly some from Nash depending on how much is retaind. Same with Staal and Girardi. I think you can trade one of the two and buyout the other. Dump Glass.

Hopefully Jensen makes the team. Dumba added. Maybe re-sign Stalberg.

Youre 12 forwards:

Stepan
Stamkos
Kreider
Zucc
Miller
Hayes
Buch
Lindberg
Fast
Jensen
(Stalberg)
(Asset from trade)

7 defenseman:

McDonagh
Klein
Dumba
(Yandle)
Skjei
Mcilrath
Diaz

It is a re-tool. It allows you to dump 4 large contracts. Save some cap. And add draft picks and prospects.

 

[darko]

No way you trade Stepan.

And no thanks to Stamkos.

 

[haohmaru]

Even in 2016 when Girardi was visibly spewing black death all over the ice, he played more minutes.

McD had higher ATOI in 2016 than Girardi. Not sure where you're getting your info from.

 

[Roo Returns]

Good Article as always by Larry.

As far as UFAs, it's not about the biggest fish, it's about the right one. San Jose has Joel Ward on a very fair deal, he's a playoff performer always. 6 goals and 11 points in 17 games; that's better than Nash and more consistent than half the Rangers.

It's not only Henrik, Skjei, Buch who are untouchable; add Shestyorkin, Kovacs, Graves, and Nieves to that list as well.

There was no way the Rangers were going to buyout Girardi. It's very near sighted especially when the dead cap space got to $3 million plus that one year. A team like the Islanders who never operates close to the cap cna get away with doing that (Yashin, Dipietro, etc.) Rangers cannot.

I'd like to keep Stepan personally he's a great two way player but if you can really change the franchise and get a Dumba plus a high pick, you have to consider it.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

Blow it up and start over.

I wouldn't trade JT Miller but then again I don't really trust giving him a long-term contract either.

I'm fine with this, though I doubt they would actually do it. To me no one on that roster is untradeable, providing they waive their NTC/NMC's (the bane of every team's front office. Why teams agree to them is beyond comprehension). MacDonagh, Buchnevich and Skjei would be the closest to being untradeable and would take a TON for me to consider it.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I would feel a lot better if the Rangers asked him to waive his NMC and he said no. I gather from the reports that the Rangers have no interest in trading him. I gather from his ice time that this is because the Rangers still think he's great.

If he was getting bottom 4 minutes, then I could say "ok the team probably feels there's no chance so they're not bothering," which is still stupid, but alright. But like I said, even this year when he so blatantly sucked, he was getting huge minutes.

That said, it is difficult to envision the Rangers going into training camp with Girardi penciled in as their first-pair right defenseman, even as the club anticipates what is likely to become the “new normal†from No. 5.

It's understandable you may have missed this part while your panties were getting into such a bunch.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Nothing would make me happier than a fire sale, but I don't see the point of dealing away young vets like McDonagh and Stepan. They will still be around after rebuilding if we start doing it right now and they can lead the kids as they develop. Instead, deal Lundqvist, Nash, Brassard, Zuccarello, Staal, Girardi, Klein. We could get 9-10 first rounders or equivalent prospects for them. Throw in our own picks and prospects, and the rebuilding can be done in 3 years.

9-10 first rounders? You're out of your mind. These guys have value. They don't have that much value.

More importantly, not many teams are going to be willing to take on salary without sending some back.

Most importantly, I'll believe the rangers are rebuilding when I see it. Even if all these guys are on the table, I think the targets will be younger/established NHL players that can keep the team competitive

 

[Mac n Gs]

Good Article as always by Larry.

As far as UFAs, it's not about the biggest fish, it's about the right one. San Jose has Joel Ward on a very fair deal, he's a playoff performer always. 6 goals and 11 points in 17 games; that's better than Nash and more consistent than half the Rangers.

It's not only Henrik, Skjei, Buch who are untouchable; add Shestyorkin, Kovacs, Graves, and Nieves to that list as well.

There was no way the Rangers were going to buyout Girardi. It's very near sighted especially when the dead cap space got to $3 million plus that one year. A team like the Islanders who never operates close to the cap cna get away with doing that (Yashin, Dipietro, etc.) Rangers cannot.

I'd like to keep Stepan personally he's a great two way player but if you can really change the franchise and get a Dumba plus a high pick, you have to consider it.

I think this logic applies to moving guys like McDonagh and Miller as well. Gorton isn't going to just trade everyone to trade them.