Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[Hire Sather]

Not signing Laf for 1 yr. 3 years of shit, team needs to benefit if he breaks out this year.

2 yr term and we should hold firm

 

[Fitzy]

Wouldn't be completely surprised if Drury reached out to Zadina's people. There's still a spot in the top 9 if Goodrow goes back to playing the 4th, which, frankly, is where he should be unless he's on Panarin's wing.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Wouldn't be completely surprised if Drury reached out to Zadina's people. There's still a spot in the top 9 if Goodrow goes back to playing the 4th, which, frankly, is where he should be unless he's on Panarin's wing.

100%
Zadina was on my wish list. I think if we can get him for the vesey contract. Play him with Chytil and Panarin.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I'm really surprised so many people want to bring back Tarasenko and Kane.

They were both fixtures in a wildly ineffective top 6 last season. Why do we want to replicate that again?

I realize Kane has had a corrective procedure done since then, but theres no guarantee that it fixes him.

I liked some of what Tarasenko brought to the table, but unless you're getting him for really cheap, I would rather just move on.

 

[NYR Viper]

Sign this kid

 

[duhmetreE]

As I said, Lindgren was expected to be back well before the end of the season. He played on 03/21, nearly a month before the end of the season, and he had been expected back before then. Keeping him out until the end of the season would have been a big risk for very little gain.

We weren't going to add anyone other than Kane, and we added him eventually. The only benefit would have been to add him a few days earlier and avoid the shortened bench.

Other teams benefited from LTIR by adding players they wouldn't have otherwise been able to add, and keeping the player on LTIR through the end of the season. Putting Lindgren on LTIR wouldn't have created that much space for us as he only has a 3 mil cap hit.

This is from the CBA:



Not only would we be risking punishment by the league, but both Lindgren and the team doctor would have had to agree to it. Do you honestly think Lindgren would be okay with sitting out despite being fully healthy just so the team can game the system? Do you honestly expect any doctor to risk his livelihood for it? Yeah, some teams have fudged it, but not to the extent that you are suggesting. And again, we would have gotten very little benefit from doing it.

he wasn't fully healthy. Maybe that's why Ramsey was let go without a peep from the org but I have my doubts.

no reason not to take a flyer on him for nothing but cap hit. He's probably getting a 1 year 800k deal

 

[Profet]

I'm really surprised so many people want to bring back Tarasenko and Kane.

They were both fixtures in a wildly ineffective top 6 last season. Why do we want to replicate that again?

I realize Kane has had a corrective procedure done since then, but theres no guarantee that it fixes him.

I liked some of what Tarasenko brought to the table, but unless you're getting him for really cheap, I would rather just move on.

Blaming two effective pieces of an ineffectively coached group seems absurd.

Not a huge Kane fan, but Tank brought a lot to the top 6.

 

[IDvsEGO]

he wasn't fully healthy. Maybe that's why Ramsey was let go without a peep from the org but I have my doubts.

The rumor I heard was that Ramsey was leaking information, and drury had enough.

 

[bhamill]

he wasn't fully healthy. Maybe that's why Ramsey was let go without a peep from the org but I have my doubts.


no reason not to take a flyer on him for nothing but cap hit. He's probably getting a 1 year 800k deal

I think it was this and I have heard he was leaking info. Who knows though?

 

[duhmetreE]

I think it was this and I have heard he was leaking info. Who knows though?

it has to be deeper than that ( a misdiagnosis ) . For a long tenured guy to just be dropped like it's nothing.... without a peep from the org. weird.

 

[SA16]

Wouldn't be completely surprised if Drury reached out to Zadina's people. There's still a spot in the top 9 if Goodrow goes back to playing the 4th, which, frankly, is where he should be unless he's on Panarin's wing.

Do you think somehow who is terminating a 4.5M deal wants to go to the Rangers where there is maybe one spot available, and he most likely won't play regularly, as opposed to going somewhere like Arizona, Chicago, Anaheim where he can actually get a lot of ice time in a scoring role in all situations to try and rebuild his value?

 

[MrAlmost]

Wheeler wasn't signed cause he can score points, though of course it would be nice if he did. He was signed cause at this point he can play anywhere from top line to checking line RW and be a mean SOB in the corners and in front of the net. He plays straight ahead and again, speed in the NHL is not about fast skaters. Its about fast play. Move the puck with a purpose and to an area where someone can get it and then attack.

Zadina is a pipedream that won't sign here. He needs a lot more time in situations he wont get here.

We have a lot of NHL capable players in the system at this point. I wonder what the team is planning. We have so many guys at this point that our ECHL team will be stacked. Haha

 

[Fitzy]

Do you think somehow who is terminating a 4.5M deal wants to go to the Rangers where there is maybe one spot available, and he most likely won't play regularly, as opposed to going somewhere like Arizona, Chicago, Anaheim where he can actually get a lot of ice time in a scoring role in all situations to try and rebuild his value?

If I was to make the sales pitch for Drury- I’d tell him the odds are very high he ends up on a line with one of Panarin, Zibanejad, or Kreider. Can’t think of a better way to boost his numbers.

He could try the role that Kravtsov failed so spectacularly in

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Blaming two effective pieces of an ineffectively coached group seems absurd.

Not a huge Kane fan, but Tank brought a lot to the top 6.

Not blaming it on them entirely but they were both a part of it.

If you're not going to change the other parts, doesn't make a ton of sense to bring back the same group and hope that they figure it out. It wasn't all on coaching and its clear that the mix just wasn't right.

They were both pretty ineffective if we're being real. I'd prefer Tarasenko if it has to be one or the other but I'd rather it be neither and am miffed that there are people who want both back.

 

[NYR Viper]

If I was to make the sales pitch for Drury- I’d tell him the odds are very high he ends up on a line with one of Panarin, Zibanejad, or Kreider. Can’t think of a better way to boost his numbers.

He could try the role that Kravtsov failed so spectacularly in

I would also have Chytil call him. There is a very real opportunity for him to play top-9 minutes on a contending team in a great hockey market.

 

[duhmetreE]

cant afford Zadina because we're gonna give Tank the same contract

I'm really surprised so many people want to bring back Tarasenko and Kane.

They were both fixtures in a wildly ineffective top 6 last season. Why do we want to replicate that again?

I realize Kane has had a corrective procedure done since then, but theres no guarantee that it fixes him.

I liked some of what Tarasenko brought to the table, but unless you're getting him for really cheap, I would rather just move on.

If Tank is to come here he would be 'for really cheap'.

In hindsight, this team fell apart after the Kane acquisition. Everything got thrown out of whack. We were honeypotted with the 'cheap cost' of acquiring a hall of famer. He wasn't what we needed.... but I digress.. we wouldn't have won anything with our coaching/teamplay.

 

[IDvsEGO]

it has to be deeper than that ( a misdiagnosis ) . For a long tenured guy to just be dropped like it's nothing.... without a peep from the org. weird.

Leaking could be the first and last straw though.
especially if he was behind the report of the argument between gallant/drury after g2.

Drury bottled everything up.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Wheeler wasn't signed cause he can score points, though of course it would be nice if he did. He was signed cause at this point he can play anywhere from top line to checking line RW and be a mean SOB in the corners and in front of the net. He plays straight ahead and again, speed in the NHL is not about fast skaters. Its about fast play. Move the puck with a purpose and to an area where someone can get it and then attack.

Zadina is a pipedream that won't sign here. He needs a lot more time in situations he wont get here.

We have a lot of NHL capable players in the system at this point. I wonder what the team is planning. We have so many guys at this point that our ECHL team will be stacked.

Agreed with both points about Wheeler and Zadina.

 

[duhmetreE]

Leaking could be the first and last straw though.
especially if he was behind the report of the argument between gallant/drury after g2.

Drury bottled everything up.

That's what I'd suggest. The alleged leaking aspect. I was just saying that because some may think it's because of the Lindgren injury situation... I just dont think that was it.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Not being able to helps but the Rangers according to the athletic got two of the best value signings of the off season and none of the worst . Wheeler was actually 2nd behind only Duchene.

We’ll see how it plays out on the ice.

 

[GAGLine]

he wasn't fully healthy. Maybe that's why Ramsey was let go without a peep from the org but I have my doubts.

Maybe, but even if we had put Lindgren on LTIR and kept him there until the end of the season, who were we adding? Where was that player playing? We had already added Tarasenko, Kane, Motte and Mikkola.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Maybe, but even if we had put Lindgren on LTIR and kept him there until the end of the season, who were we adding? Where was that player playing? We had already added Tarasenko, Kane, Motte and Mikkola.

Didn’t we play short multiple times because of manipulating cap for Kane?

 

[GAGLine]

Zadina is a pipedream that won't sign here. He needs a lot more time in situations he wont get here.

Exactly. We don't need a reclamation project. We already have young guys who need more opportunities to grow their game, and more young guys behind them waiting to get their turn.

People want to imagine what Zadina might become and just assume it will happen. In actuality, the odds of him figuring it out, especially on this team, are very small.

Didn’t we play short multiple times because of manipulating cap for Kane?

We did, but putting Lindgren on LTIR would not have helped with that unless he was out for the rest of the regular season. We could have traded for Kane sooner and not had to play shorthanded, but we wouldn't have had the cap space to activate Lindgren.

 

[duhmetreE]

Maybe, but even if we had put Lindgren on LTIR and kept him there until the end of the season, who were we adding? Where was that player playing? We had already added Tarasenko, Kane, Motte and Mikkola.

that's another discussion.

The point was we had a chance to 'use' a method that Cup winning teams have used to load up on talent. The issue to me isn't 'who would have we added', it's that we need our GM to be shrewd in this flat cap environment. Even more so when your opponents are being shrewd.

 

[McRanger92]

Why? Who gives a shit if Tarasenko or Kane want to play here for cheap? There is one puck. There are only 60 minutes in a game. There aren’t enough opportunities for all of these forwards. Good players? They are all the same players. This isn't fantasy hockey.

Vegas didn't win with finesse hockey. TB didn't win with finesse hockey.

Well we only currently have 2 RWs, so idk where you're getting "not enough opportunities" from? Certainly you wont be killing Drury in a few months when Vesey or Goodrow are playing in the top 6-9? The Rangers absolutely have a need on the right side and if Patrick Kane is coming for 800K plus bonuses, I'd sign up for that in a heartbeat. Going into the season with a complete roster would be nice for once, wouldn't you agree? I know you hate paying rental prices, this is how you avoid that.