Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

[Rangers in 7]

Yes but we havent hit the trade deadline yet next year.

The next three years we have the following.

Rd 1 - 3 picks
Rd 2 - 1 pick
Rd 3- 1 pick
Rd 4 - 1 pick and maybe another if Lundkvist meets requirements
Rd 5 - 2 picks
Rd 6 -4 picks
Rd 7 - 2 picks

So out of the 21 picks u start with, we only have 14 left.

Out of the top 3 rounds we have 5 of the 9 left.

And that is with 2 more trade deadlines to go, where u know we are going for it.

So yeah, we have a dearth of picks.

acquiring 2nd and 3rd round picks isn't impossible.....as long as we have our firsts im happy

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I wouldn't do it either. Michkov isn't going to be a factor for 4-5 years.

 

[Rangers in 7]

Take laf out and i do that trade.

I still think laf will be a real good player if we get an actual coach

agreed

Kreider-Mika-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Othmann*
Lafreniere-Trocheck-Cuylle
Vesey-Brodzinski*-Motte

Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider
Harpoon

Igor
Halak

Miller - 3 x 4m
Lafreniere - 2 x 2.25m
Motte - 2 x 1m
Halak - 1 x 1m

Based on my calculations, this roster would have ~4.5 million to play with after a Goodrow trade/buyout. Othmann & Brodzinski would be placeholders for 2 additional players. Lafreniere is also the biggest candidate to move if the offer is worthwhile. I think that's enough wiggle room to add a winger like Garland (with some retention) and maybe a guy like Evan Rodrigues or Erik Haula to the bottom 6. Those are the types of players Drury should be targeting.

Whether we like it or not, this core is going to get one more shot with a new coach before Trouba/Kreider become tradeable next summer and they reassess.



I wouldnt get my hopes up that the Rangers will be making the 1st round pick they have in this draft. Not endorsing it, just trying to manage peoples expectations

I find it hard to believe they trade away their first this year

 

[McRanger92]

agreed


I find it hard to believe they trade away their first this year

I wouldnt trade the first or Lafreniere but desperate times...

 

[rangersfansince08]

Kreider-Mika-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Othmann*
Lafreniere-Trocheck-Cuylle
Vesey-Brodzinski*-Motte

Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider
Harpoon

Igor
Halak

Miller - 3 x 4m
Lafreniere - 2 x 2.25m
Motte - 2 x 1m
Halak - 1 x 1m

Based on my calculations, this roster would have ~4.5 million to play with after a Goodrow trade/buyout. Othmann & Brodzinski would be placeholders for 2 additional players. Lafreniere is also the biggest candidate to move if the offer is worthwhile. I think that's enough wiggle room to add a winger like Garland (with some retention) and maybe a guy like Evan Rodrigues or Erik Haula to the bottom 6. Those are the types of players Drury should be targeting.

Whether we like it or not, this core is going to get one more shot with a new coach before Trouba/Kreider become tradeable next summer and they reassess.



I wouldnt get my hopes up that the Rangers will be making the 1st round pick they have in this draft. Not endorsing it, just trying to manage peoples expectations

Whats going to happen to the 1st round pick they have in this draft? Even they are not dumb enough to trade it at this point.

 

[I Eat Crow]

The wounds are still too fresh, and I haven't had time really to look at UFA lists, other potential trade candidates, etc, but the objectives either way should be clear.

1. Get better 5 v 5. This can be accomplished by improving team speed and incorporating some better forecheckers and blazers to go get the puck when it gets deep. I'm hoping that some of this can be addressed in house.

2. Improve the transition game. This starts with improving puck movement out of our own end. Part of this is Gallant's system but it's mostly personnel. Lindgren and Trouba are ass at this. Slow with a capital S. A left side of Miller, Jones, and a bottom pairing defensive specialist like Mikkola wouldn't be the worst thing if Lindgren can fetch a good return at the draft to fill a need elsewhere or a 1st rounder. Outside of Fox, no one else is adept at moving the puck.

3. Trade Panarin. Not at any cost though. Retaining half will cripple this team's cap situation for the next three years. Retain 25% at most. Otherwise try and play to his strengths and do #1.

4. Have a plan for the kids. Put them in a position to succeed or trade them. I'd deal Lafreniere either way to the highest bidder. Kakko and Chytil are still redeemable.

Clear Panarin's cap hit and Drury has a great chance to improve this club's team speed and 5 v 5 play.

 

[rangersfansince08]

I wouldnt trade the first or Lafreniere but desperate times...

What would they trade it for?

 

[McRanger92]

Whats going to happen to the 1st round pick they have in this draft? Even they are not dumb enough to trade it at this point.

They are tied to this core and Igor has 2 years before hes a UFA. Im not endorsing it but the Rangers coming off a 1st round exit with a team they cant make major changes to, screams to me that a mid-20s 1st will be in play. Could see it moved for a top 6 winger or matchup 3C with term, or packaged with Goodrow for an upgrade.

 

[Rangers in 7]

I wouldnt trade the first or Lafreniere but desperate times...

I mean I hate to break it to some people, but we just came off consecutive 100 point seasons guys

im disappointed as well in how the season finished, I also dont see the devils as being that good

but if some of you are so desperate for change what does trading a 21 year old kid get you? a first round pick? then who takes his spot? you guys are ok with Panarin, Kreider, zibs still leading the charge?

I think some of you are out of your minds to want to trade laf, you talk about a shake up but then want to trade the 21 year old 40 point scorer and keep the same guys we have just run with for 6 years and won nothing

 

[I Eat Crow]

michkov is projected anywhere from 5-8

I wouldn't do that trade

He's going 3rd overall. He'd be a shoe in to go 2nd overall if his name was Matthew Miller and he played in the CHL or NCAA.

 

[McRanger92]

I mean I hate to break it to some people, but we just came off consecutive 100 point seasons guys

im disappointed as well in how the season finished, I also dont see the devils as being that good

but if some of you are so desperate for change what does trading a 21 year old kid get you? a first round pick? then who takes his spot? you guys are ok with Panarin, Kreider, zibs still leading the charge?

I think some of you are out of your minds to want to trade laf, you talk about a shake up but then want to trade the 21 year old 40 point scorer and keep the same guys we have just run with for 6 years and won nothing

I hear you but they literally do not have a choice on the bolded. The earliest a core piece is getting moved is next season. I'd gladly keep Laf but how is he going to succeed here playing 3rd line with 0 PP time. Is the same shitty role going to motivate him to put his golf clubs away and live in the gym all summer?

 

[rangersfansince08]

I mean I hate to break it to some people, but we just came off consecutive 100 point seasons guys

im disappointed as well in how the season finished, I also dont see the devils as being that good

but if some of you are so desperate for change what does trading a 21 year old kid get you? a first round pick? then who takes his spot? you guys are ok with Panarin, Kreider, zibs still leading the charge?

I think some of you are out of your minds to want to trade laf, you talk about a shake up but then want to trade the 21 year old 40 point scorer and keep the same guys we have just run with for 6 years and won nothing

devils are def winning the cup this year or next

 

[savebyrichter94]

Yes, Kreider is the second best player in the world lite.

Would be good to have the second best player in the world.

Solid observations. Can't disagree.

I knew I’d get you to bite lmao

 

[rangersfansince08]

I hear you but they literally do not have a choice on the bolded. The earliest a core piece is getting moved is next season. I'd gladly keep Laf but how is he going to succeed here playing 3rd line with 0 PP time. Is the same shitty role going to motivate him to put his golf clubs away and live in the gym all summer?

Doesn't Dawson Mercer play on the third line too?

 

[Rangers in 7]

He's going 3rd overall. He'd be a shoe in to go 2nd overall if his name was Matthew Miller and he played in the CHL or NCAA.

it would not surprise me to see him drop to 5

 

[McRanger92]

Doesn't Dawson Mercer play on the third line too?

2nd or 3rd I think, he's also a center who gets regular PP time. What the devils do with their players is completely irrelevant to our situation though.

 

[Rangers in 7]

devils are def winning the cup this year or next

haha no they aren't, schmid is not a good goaltender and their defense is over rated

 

[McRanger92]

haha no they aren't, schmid is not a good goaltender and their defense is over rated

People are foolishly writing off the Canes. Even without Teravainen and Svech they throw everything at the net and play super aggressive. Completely different look than what NJ just saw against us.

 

[Guyute]

Michkov will go to the Ducks at 3rd overall.

Then they will trade us a 2024 top 10 protected 1st and Vatrano for Panarin.

 

[I Eat Crow]

devils are def winning the cup this year or next

I don't see it. Their window is just starting to open but will be open for a very long time. Their organizational and roster depth is ridiculous. They had Sharangovich who's a good middle 6 player on the bench in their series against us.

They may lose Bratt or Meier this summer because of a flat cap, but they'll get a ridiculous haul of more futures for either of them. They have Nemec and Hughes ready for full time duty next year. That'll push Kevin Bahl to be one of the best if not the best 7th defenseman in the league.

It's sickening.

 

[NYMantis24]

I mean I hate to break it to some people, but we just came off consecutive 100 point seasons guys

im disappointed as well in how the season finished, I also dont see the devils as being that good

but if some of you are so desperate for change what does trading a 21 year old kid get you? a first round pick? then who takes his spot? you guys are ok with Panarin, Kreider, zibs still leading the charge?

I think some of you are out of your minds to want to trade laf, you talk about a shake up but then want to trade the 21 year old 40 point scorer and keep the same guys we have just run with for 6 years and won nothing

Personally think it's panic city everywhere when it honestly shouldn't be. We have a really good team, so do the Devils. It came down to 1 game for one of the two teams to go home. We played horrible, yes, but happens sometimes. I never felt like this team clicked this season, and yet, we had 107 points which is one of the best seasons in franchise history.

@I Eat Crow hit it the nail on the head. I think Panarin will be back regardless of what anyone says, but besides that, just gotta get a tad better in transition and 5v5 and we will be golden

 

[DanielBrassard]

Doesn't Dawson Mercer play on the third line too?

How did he score almost 60 points then? That seems impossible.

 

[savebyrichter94]

Kreider was like Tkachuk when he was 20. After the thoracic outlet surgery he hasn't nearly been as engaged physically.

Othmann says he wants to be like chuckie and Marchand. Good, but he's probably getting 3rd line minutes at best and maybe PP with the best QB in the league in Trouba.

If Drury doesn't work a miracle to trade Panarin you treat him how he plays. A PP specialist like Vanek at the end of his career. 3rd line, PP1, never sees the ice when up or tied late in a game. 14 minutes a night at most.

I don’t know if he was ever like Tkachuk

I’ll take heat for what I said from the usual suspects (just teasing) and that’s cool you can say all kinds of wiseass stuff about my observations but bottom line is results speak for themselves

Kreider is too much of a philosopher and not enough of a stone cold killer and again he isn’t alone in this respect but stop talking and f***ing show it to me on the ice

I don’t think I’m being unfair by saying one guy just does it and the other guy sits there giving a dissertation about how and why he should do it but then doesn’t actually do it and again this goes for Mika and a whole lot of others, I’d say Panarin but he’s special apparently and doesn’t have to account to anyone

I don’t expect him to be Tkachuk all I’m really asking is to notice him as much and I don’t think that’s wrong of me to ask or even expect from someone of his size and abilty, there’s multiple ways he could be helping this team but like most of them seems content with having one thing they excel at and it’s everyone else’s job to do the rest, that’s not a team that’s a bunch of individuals resting on their laurels

You wanna come at me with how good he is in front of the net on the PP that’s all well and good, I recognize it and respect it, good on him but if that’s gonna be your one thing you truly excel at and can be relied upon for consistently then how about working harder and smarter 5v5 to draw more penalties that put you in that position to succeed? I don’t believe that a guy with his strength and speed can’t draw more penalties if he’s fully engaged with and without the puck, I’m just not buying it sorry

Until this team rids themselves of their penchant for ghosting and flat out not showing up and looking like they don’t even care I’ll keep giving them shit about doing exactly that, tired of the blow smoke up my ass post game quotes that rarely lead to action or results on the ice where it counts not on graphs and pie charts

And you know what I’ll go even further, he’s been here through all the changes over the years and he’s ascended to a leadership role but one thing that’s never really changed is that this team has too many nights season after season where they just don’t seem to give a shit enough to effect any change and they seem to just take it and accept it but then they know how to say all the right things afterwards with him being one of the worst offenders, maybe he’s part of the problem along with a few other supposed leaders?

 

[Filip Chytil]

I wouldn't do it either. Michkov isn't going to be a factor for 4-5 years.

Rangers would turn him into Stanislav Chistov

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Rangers would turn him into Stanislav Chistov

Nah he would come over too late for that to happen.