Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

[bleedblue94]

No. I just looked at it. Florida actually has quite a bit of cap since many of their players are already signed for next year.

On a completely separate note, and just cause I am looking at it again like I did last year, why exactly did Guerin buy out Parise and Suter? Damn that dead space is crazy.

EDIT: Forgot to mention that I was spring-boarding off earlier comments where Panarin comes at 10 million even.

They were complete cancers and entitled douches that had completely affected their room, especially suter. Former players have spoken out about him, he would be checking toi between periods and complaining, he and Parise lived on a side of town away from everyone and would demand that the coaches move team practices to their neighborhood so everyone else had to drive to them. Their play had fallen off badly. Everyone worries about the dead cap but the alternative is no dead cap but two dead players. Guerin wanted to cut the cancer out and his owner let him. Btw suter was also extremely tight w the owner and would bypass the management with complaints. After they skipped past hiring guerin the first time around and going with Paul Fenton blew up on their face bc he had no handle of the org. Guerin walked in and made sure to cut the cancer out and make sure people knew he was in charge.

Since 2015 the Devils have had 6 top 7 draft picks. Including 2 first overalls. They’ve had 3 in the last 3 drafts. You think it’s bad now it’s only gonna get worse. We’re not gonna outskill this team for the next decade. We’re also not built to dominate anyone physically. Than you have teams like Buffalo, Ottawa , Detroit stacked with young thriving talent. I have more faith in the F’n Jets winning a Super Bowl than seeing this pitiful organization even drafting an elite forward.

Players that did not affect this series but that will make the devils even better soon: holtz, Luke Hughes, nemec. Devils are going to be very good for a long time

 

[McRanger92]

They were complete cancers and entitled douches that had completely affected their room, especially suter. Former players have spoken out about him, he would be checking toi between periods and complaining, he and Parise lived on a side of town away from everyone and would demand that the coaches move team practices to their neighborhood so everyone else had to drive to them. Their play had fallen off badly. Everyone worries about the dead cap but the alternative is no dead cap but two dead players. Guerin wanted to cut the cancer out and his owner let him. Btw suter was also extremely tight w the owner and would bypass the management with complaints. After they skipped past hiring guerin the first time around and going with Paul Fenton blew up on their face bc he had no handle of the org. Guerin walked in and made sure to cut the cancer out and make sure people knew he was in charge.

I’m hoping Drury pulls this with Panarin. Can’t buy him out but it’s a power struggle right now

 

[MrAlmost]

They were complete cancers and entitled douches that had completely affected their room, especially suter. Former players have spoken out about him, he would be checking toi between periods and complaining, he and Parise lived on a side of town away from everyone and would demand that the coaches move team practices to their neighborhood so everyone else had to drive to them. Their play had fallen off badly. Everyone worries about the dead cap but the alternative is no dead cap but two dead players. Guerin wanted to cut the cancer out and his owner let him. Btw suter was also extremely tight w the owner and would bypass the management with complaints. After they skipped past hiring guerin the first time around and going with Paul Fenton blew up on their face bc he had no handle of the org. Guerin walked in and made sure to cut the cancer out and make sure people knew he was in charge.


Players that did not affect this series but that will make the devils even better soon: holtz, Luke Hughes, nemec. Devils are going to be very good for a long time

Oh wow. I did not know those things. You're right then. Good move by Guerin. f*** those guys. Haha.

 

[RangersFan1994]

I’m hoping Drury pulls this with Panarin. Can’t buy him out but it’s a power struggle right now

I believe he is a cancer. No confirmation. Ever since we signed him. Been disappointment in his playoff career. Brutal.

 

[bleedblue94]

I’m hoping Drury pulls this with Panarin. Can’t buy him out but it’s a power struggle right now

I maintain the best avenue is to find a team with a player they want to remove and buyout and try to trade panarin for that player and take the buyout. Panarin's deal is buyout proof, but maybe swap him somewhere for a deal you can buyout but that the team doesn't want to burn the money. Panarin was a great influence when he came her to promote creativity and passing, but as he has faded to a perimeter player he has influenced the team in that way. It is time to move on

 

[RangersFan1994]

I maintain the best avenue is to find a team with a player they want to remove and buyout and try to trade panarin for that player and take the buyout. Panarin's deal is buyout proof, but maybe swap him somewhere for a deal you can buyout but that the team doesn't want to burn the money. Panarin was a great influence when he came her to promote creativity and passing, but as he has faded to a perimeter player he has influenced the team in that way. It is time to move on

I bet they’d have to trade a 1st just to dump this playoff noshow. Cant the Rangers management do what they can to make Panarin upset and uncomfortable so he requests a trade.

Have Rangers management ask Marchand what he said to Panarin to get him so pissed. Maybe that will light a fire under him

 

[kinger8998]

Let's be real here. I know I said the money would work and Florida is the only contedner than amkes sense.....

But there is ZERO chance Bill Zito is watching this Florida team in the playoffs and if they ultimately fall short he says "We were an Artemi Panarin away". Not after watching his embarrassment of a performance for us.

Brutal honesty:
- Panarin would likely only accept to LA or Florida. Cap does not work in LA. Logic says no in Florida.
- Panarin will only accept to contender. A) Most contenders don't have cap...B) there is no way ANY contenders think their solution to getting over the hump is Panarin after his last 2 playoffs. The guy hasn't been remotely worth his contract in the Playoffs since the upset over Tampa in 2019. He can thank Tortorella for getting that out of him.

He was made the 2nd highest paid player in the league, given a NMC and was given a buyout proof contract with the structure of it making ZERO sense for NYR. Panarin was given the keys to the NYR kingdom, and he locked himself inside...it's his house until the end of his contract. Drury is essentially powerless, unless he's willing to hire Darryl Sutter, Mike Keenan or Mark Messier to essentially spend next year making Panarin miserable in an attempt to get him to ask out, and at the same time, completely wasting next season

He is completely immovable, unless he will accept to a rebuilder/up-and-comer, which he won't. He left Columbus with 2 things on checklist: Limelight (big market) and contending (Rangers had framework in place to do so).

I hate saying we need to hire a coach that will be a "whisperer" for him to get him back to 2019 Playoffs Torts style, but if we don't the next 3 years will go to the wayside as wasted and it will waste our cores final true good years in mediocrity.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Let's be real here. I know I said the money would work and Florida is the only contedner than amkes sense.....

But there is ZERO chance Bill Zito is watching this Florida team in the playoffs and if they ultimately fall short he says "We were an Artemi Panarin away". Not after watching his embarrassment of a performance for us.

Brutal honesty:
- Panarin would likely only accept to LA or Florida. Cap does not work in LA. Logic says no in Florida.
- Panarin will only accept to contender. A) Most contenders don't have cap...B) there is no way ANY contenders think their solution to getting over the hump is Panarin after his last 2 playoffs. The guy hasn't been remotely worth his contract in the Playoffs since the upset over Tampa in 2019. He can thank Tortorella for getting that out of him.

He was made the 2nd highest paid player in the league, given a NMC and was given a buyout proof contract with the structure of it making ZERO sense for NYR. Panarin was given the keys to the NYR kingdom, and he locked himself inside...it's his house until the end of his contract. Drury is essentially powerless, unless he's willing to hire Darryl Sutter, Mike Keenan or Mark Messier to essentially spend next year making Panarin miserable in an attempt to get him to ask out, and at the same time, completely wasting next season

He is completely immovable, unless he will accept to a rebuilder/up-and-comer, which he won't. He left Columbus with 2 things on checklist: Limelight (big market) and contending (Rangers had framework in place to do so).

I hate saying we need to hire a coach that will be a "whisperer" for him to get him back to 2019 Playoffs Torts style, but if we don't the next 3 years will go to the wayside as wasted and it will waste our cores final true good years in mediocrity.

Cant the organization just piss off Panarin to the point that he would accept a trade anywhere and actually request a trade like Gaborik did for us?

 

[kinger8998]

Cant the organization just piss off Panarin to the point that he would accept a trade anywhere and actually request a trade like Gaborik did for us?

I mean hire Darryl Sutter and put him on a line with Goodrow and Leschshyn and play them 8 minutes a night, that should do the trick. If Panarin won't play their game, scratch him for not fitting into the lineup. Could do the trick.

 

[RangersFan1994]

I mean hire Darryl Sutter and put him on a line with Goodrow and Leschshyn and play them 8 minutes a night, that should do the trick. If Panarin won't play their game, scratch him for not fitting into the lineup. Could do the trick.

That would be the only option to get rid of Panarin honestly. They are stuck with this cancer no show.

 

[Brutananadilewski]

That would be the only option to get rid of Panarin honestly. They are stuck with this cancer no show.

Maybe the league could throw us a bone and allow another buyout without it affecting the cap.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Maybe the league could throw us a bone and allow another buyout without it affecting the cap.

He was always a finesse forward. It’s a shame Tarasenko could not teach him about being good defensively. Tarasenko is a selke candidate compared to Panarin pathetic effort by Panarin.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Some of you might want to take a breath and go outside with these posts lol

Offseason is going to be a long one if you don’t lmao

 

[mas0764]

If Drury is fully on board with moving Panarin, my first call is Yzerman in Detroit. The last time they made the postseason was 2015-16. They made moves last summer to try and get back in, and it didn't work. Eventually you have to get into the dance, and we do know that Panarin will at least elevate your team to that point.

Detroit has 30M in space and no pending UFA to lock up. Larkin was signed. I'm sure he wants to get into the playoffs at some point. I'd take Fabbri back, even if he is hurt all the time. Would probably be able to get some futures back as well.

With Tampa slowing down, and the others around them (Ottawa and Buffalo) seemingly passing them by, I think it can work out for everyone. Of course Panarin would have to want to go there, but he'd easily be their top line LW and would get their top PP minutes. Maybe you can sell Panarin on the fact that they've done well with Russian players in the past.

You cannot be in a perpetual rebuild after re-signing Larkin. Yzerman is going to have eyes on him. Lets say the Rangers retain enough to get him to an 9M cap hit, getting a 90 point winger at that rate for 3 seasons is not a bad deal.

They have to take Trouba too

 

[kinger8998]

Maybe the league could throw us a bone and allow another buyout without it affecting the cap.

This is my wet dream.

They have to take Trouba too

Both Trouba and Panarin would also have to waive to go to Detroit...when they very specifically wanted to come to NY and had NMC's negotiated into their deals for the exact reason that they couldn't be moved out.

Trouba is here this season, after that nothing is guaranteed as the NMC shifts to NTC. I would say its 70/30 he's gone by the 24-25 season. Team captain named by Gallant and Drury, but not a Drury contract and the only way for Drury to truly shift this roster significantly at its core is to move contracts like Troubas.

Panarin, save for the league gifting a buyout for some reason, is here for 3 seasons unless Bill Zito decides he hates good things and will take Panarin...it's one of the few (if not the only) contender abel to take Panarin theoretically that he would also waive for.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Maybe the league could throw us a bone and allow another buyout without it affecting the cap.

Name one time the league helped the Rangers. 1st overall bust more than once I believe. No thanks.

If the NHL wants to help the Rangers, tell them to adapt to the NHL style of play.

 

[B17 Apricots]

I was fooling around with this on Cap friendly.

Panarin was rumored to be down to Rangers and Florida before signing Rangers. Bobrovsky is there, and yes, they have some Cap Space. Panarin still goes to contender in a choice destination, Rangers rid themselves of his contract and free cap space, and most important, roster flexibilty.

To alleviate some of it, I could easily see Duclair (1 year remaining at $3 million) coming back in the deal. Its an upgrade for Florida, and Rangers get a middle 6 winger.

Rangers retain the $1.6 whatever million to bring his cap hit down to $10M AAV for the next 3 seasons, when him and Bobrovsky can both walk together and potentially actually choose the same destination in their Free Agent Frenzy Part Deux.

With Rangers retaining a little and only taking back $3, they gain $7M in cap space, slot Duclair on 3rd line with Trocheck and Othmann and run with lines like this:

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko: was one of best lines in hockey. Give Kakko the extended look.
Lafreniere-Chytil-XXX
Othmann-Trocheck-Duclair: Could easily interchange Chytil and Trocheck on these lines, but I want Chytil to get more ice time.
Cuylle-Goodrow-Vesey: Goodrow could easily be moved as well for even more spce, but no need to with Panarin gone.

Laf at 2x$2M, Miller played himself out of big extension and will probably bridge at 2x$3.5-4M. This leaves ample cap space to sign a 2nd line winger or acquire via trade with the 1st round pick at Draft.

Final deal I could see being something like: Florida acquires Artemi Panarin @ $10Mx3 (NYR retains whatever the # is above $10M). Rangers acquire Anthony Duclair, Grigori Denisenko (RFA).

I know people want APs head because of the last 2 playoffs, and rightfully so... some of us have been vocal about his dogshit habits the past couple years but I do think the right coach could get more out of him. He gets himself into trouble when he tries the highlight reel play every chance he gets. Sometimes you gotta take what they give you and make the simple play. Less is more with him. Gallant has given plenty of interviews where he's pretty much said he's not going to tell Panarin how to play. Letting a player play their game.. that's great and all but theres gotta be some balance there too.

End of the day he's still a superstar. If Duclair is the money coming back in that scenario than someone like Michael Benning has to be coming back as well

 

[RangersFan1994]

I know people want APs head because of the last 2 playoffs, and rightfully so... some of us have been vocal about his dogshit habits the past couple years but I do think the right coach could get more out of him. He gets himself into trouble when he tries the highlight reel play every chance he gets. Sometimes you gotta take what they give you and make the simple play. Less is more with him. Gallant has given plenty of interviews where he's pretty much said he's not going to tell Panarin how to play. Letting a player play their game.. that's great and all but theres gotta be some balance there too.

End of the day he's still a superstar. If Duclair is the money coming back in that scenario than someone like Michael Benning has to be coming back as well

It’s a shame that wont do Panarin for Duclair and Ty Smilanic??

 

[kinger8998]

I know people want APs head because of the last 2 playoffs, and rightfully so... some of us have been vocal about his dogshit habits the past couple years but I do think the right coach could get more out of him. He gets himself into trouble when he tries the highlight reel play every chance he gets. Sometimes you gotta take what they give you and make the simple play. Less is more with him. Gallant has given plenty of interviews where he's pretty much said he's not going to tell Panarin how to play. Letting a player play their game.. that's great and all but theres gotta be some balance there too.

Two points on these parts, which I both agree with:

A) Tortorella did get the most out of him in 2019 Playoffs en route to upset over Tampa. Obviously Torts is not available, but will take a similar style to him to get what you want out of Panarin.
B) The issue is, in the regular season, when he's at his best, he's not only a threat to make the play, he succeeds in doing so at a much higher clip than in the playoffs.
Last postseason, he got himself into trouble trying to continue regular season highlight reel style in the playoffs, this year around he was utterly useless when he wasn't trying to make the play, and he didn't make the play because that didn't work last playoffs. So now we had a Panarin not trying to make his offensive plays, which yes, resulted in less glaring turnovers...but turnovers were sitll abundant in numbers as he tried to play "postseason style" hockey that he just seemingly cannot play.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Need to be a complete player in the playoffs Panarin is not, look at Pastanak is better offensively but not only that he is a much better defensively and its not a system thing, Panarin was never good defensively. Pasta had 5 goals in the playoffs

 

[racamdim]

TRADE PROPOSAL:

To: Florida
- Artemi Panarin
- Barclay Goodrow

To: New York Rangers
- Matthew Tkachuk
- 5th Round Draft Pick

Ok. Just about as likely as

To Edmonton
- Miles Wood
- 3rd round pick

To NJ:
- McDavid
-6th round pick

 

[racamdim]

I was fooling around with this on Cap friendly.

Panarin was rumored to be down to Rangers and Florida before signing Rangers. Bobrovsky is there, and yes, they have some Cap Space. Panarin still goes to contender in a choice destination, Rangers rid themselves of his contract and free cap space, and most important, roster flexibilty.

To alleviate some of it, I could easily see Duclair (1 year remaining at $3 million) coming back in the deal. Its an upgrade for Florida, and Rangers get a middle 6 winger.

Rangers retain the $1.6 whatever million to bring his cap hit down to $10M AAV for the next 3 seasons, when him and Bobrovsky can both walk together and potentially actually choose the same destination in their Free Agent Frenzy Part Deux.

With Rangers retaining a little and only taking back $3, they gain $7M in cap space, slot Duclair on 3rd line with Trocheck and Othmann and run with lines like this:

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko: was one of best lines in hockey. Give Kakko the extended look.
Lafreniere-Chytil-XXX
Othmann-Trocheck-Duclair: Could easily interchange Chytil and Trocheck on these lines, but I want Chytil to get more ice time.
Cuylle-Goodrow-Vesey: Goodrow could easily be moved as well for even more spce, but no need to with Panarin gone.

Laf at 2x$2M, Miller played himself out of big extension and will probably bridge at 2x$3.5-4M. This leaves ample cap space to sign a 2nd line winger or acquire via trade with the 1st round pick at Draft.

Final deal I could see being something like: Florida acquires Artemi Panarin @ $10Mx3 (NYR retains whatever the # is above $10M). Rangers acquire Anthony Duclair, Grigori Denisenko (RFA).

Dream on. There is not a single team that would take Panarin at anywhere close to 10MM.

And money aside why would FL do that? They are doing just fine as it is.

 

[kinger8998]

I have found myself down the rabbithole of "what if" Quenneville becomes head coach.

I have convinced myself Bill Zito, ever unpredictable GM of Florida, will be dumb enough to take Panarin. Panarin will go to Florida for Anthony Duclair. Rangers will retain $1,642,857 to make his cap hit identical to Bobrovskys $10M, and they will both expire same season. Duclair comes to Rangers with 1 year remaining and a $3M AAV.
Panarin was traded from the Hawks while Quenneville was coach...if he was against that, it likely wouldn't have happened. Almost certain the coach and GM both preferred Saad the player, for playoff reasoning.
Duclair had 32 points in 43 games playign for Quenneville's Panthers in 2020-2021, so the player and coach have a relationship.
Rangers will ultimately tell Kane to get his much needed hip surgery, and sign him to a 2 or 3-year contract with a low AAV ("hometown" discount")and subsequently place him on LTIR while he recovers. The Rangers will also sign Jonathan Toews to a 1 or 2-year team friendly deal to centre the 4th line.
Goodrow could potentially be moved, but as long as Kane and Toews sign team friendly deals as they've made their money, want to reunite, play for Quenneville with a chance to win, Goodrow wouldn't need to be.
Miller and Laf resigned to 2-year bridge deals.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Duclair
Lafreniere-Chytil-Kakko
Othmann-Trocheck-Kane*
Goodrow-Toews-Vesey
13th F
* - Kane likely would not be ready for start of season...this slot would liekly be filled by Goodrow/Vesey moving up until Kane returns, with Cuylle being recalled from AHL to play 4th line, or Brodzinski

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Schneider
Jones-Trouba
Harpur

Shesterkin
Halak/Backup

This is NOT what I hope for. Have just convinced myself some variation of this will end up coming to fruition if the Rangers go down the Quenneville route.

 

[kinger8998]

Dream on. There is not a single team that would take Panarin at anywhere close to 10MM.

And money aside why would FL do that? They are doing just fine as it is.

I have said in MULTIPLE posts, which you clearly scrolled past to get to this one, that I don't think any team will take Panarin, and don't think Panarin will waive to leave realistically, unless forced out by a coaching hire specifically designed to make him so miserable he has to, which I don't think will happen either. The next coach will have a goal of a Stanley Cup with Panarin, not runnign Panarin out of town to win the Stanley Cup... even if I don't think we will ever win with him.

I have also said Florida has no need to do this, and if they ultimately fall short would be stupid to think they were an "Artemi Panarin away" from the Cup ... especially after watching these playoffs (and to a lesser extent last years).

So I don't know why you are telling me to dream on... I was just responding to a previous poster asking how the money would work in a HYPOTHETICAL Florida/Panarin trade.

 

[Rangers in 7]

It's amazing how you're not even allowed to suggest dealing Kakko or Lafreniere. It's been 4 years for one and 3 for the other. When are we allowed to consider it? Are we obligated to hold on to them forever because of when they were drafted? I don't see anyone suggesting to give them away for nothing.

Then you obviously haven’t been reading the posts….

Way too early 2023 Opening Night Roster


Coach: Andrew Brunette

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Garland
Othmann-Trocheck-Hathaway
Vesey-Edstrom-Cuylle

Miller-Fox
Lindgren-Trouba
Jones-Schneider

Igor
Halak

Ughhhhhhh no