Speculation: Roster Building Thread V (2021 Offseason) - Hold them horses, only 45 days left until the draft!

[Irishguy42]

Nolan Ryan is a pretty decent player to trade for.

 

[smoneil]

NHL trade rumors: Flyers' Nolan Patrick changed agents because he wants out of Philly

DeAngelo for Patrick.

I was trying to think of a low-cost offer for Patrick, but completely forgot about ADA. We could even retain half, to make it more palatable. Patrick is a gamble worth taking, IMO. Flyers fans keep complaining that he's soft and sticks to close to the perimeter, but we've seen Vigneault-coached teams. He tries to get them to play like that. There would literally be no risk in this move, and it gets ADA off of our 2022-23 cap (even if the buyout would just have a minimal charge that season).

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Nolan Ryan is a pretty decent player to trade for.

I realize we’re a very young team and could use some veteran leadership, but I’m a little concerned of that 35+ contract. Dudes 74.

Then again, he’d probably be our best fighter.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I realize we’re a very young team and could use some veteran leadership, but I’m a little concerned of that 35+ contract. Dudes 74.

Then again, he’d probably be our best fighter.

It’s almost as if Ventura places his head into Ryan’s loving arms...weird way to come out fighting

 

[huerter]

Not to sound like a hater but Caufield has made more wow plays in his 20 or whatever games than Kakko and Laf combined in their 150+ games. Fire Quinn!

 

[bobbop]

I was trying to think of a low-cost offer for Patrick, but completely forgot about ADA. We could even retain half, to make it more palatable. Patrick is a gamble worth taking, IMO. Flyers fans keep complaining that he's soft and sticks to close to the perimeter, but we've seen Vigneault-coached teams. He tries to get them to play like that. There would literally be no risk in this move, and it gets ADA off of our 2022-23 cap (even if the buyout would just have a minimal charge that season).

I wonder once the dust settles after the playoffs if DeAngelo at 50% might have some value around the league.

 

[Chaels Arms]

If DeAngelo didn't do some sort of anger management or sensitivity training over all this time then he really is a bonehead, even if it's just purely for PR purposes. Just do anything to give a future GM or coach a soundbite they can throw out to the media when asked whether they're concerned about him or his prior transgressions.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I was bored so fooled around on capfriendly trying to change the team (too much skill, flash) without hurting the skill too much and came away with something like this.

We improve size/grit, face offs, defensive forwards and don’t lose too much skill at all and can easily roll 4 lines. If Kravtsov takes off Copp can move to center.

Buchnevich (RFA) for Copp (RFA)
Chytil/Georgiev/3rd for Hertl
Strome for Hartman/2nd rd pick

30M in cap the following year for Zib/Hertl(both?), Fox, Kakko and Kravtsov.

flame away lol

 

[smoneil]

I was bored so fooled around on capfriendly trying to change the team (too much skill, flash) without hurting the skill too much and came away with something like this.

We improve size/grit, face offs, defensive forwards and don’t lose too much skill at all and can easily roll 4 lines. If Kravtsov takes off Copp can move to center.

Buchnevich (RFA) for Copp (RFA)
Chytil/Georgiev/3rd for Hertl
Strome for Hartman/2nd rd pick

30M in cap the following year for Zib/Hertl(both?), Fox, Kakko and Kravtsov.

flame away lol

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Buchnevich is quite a bit more valuable than Copp, whose concussion history worries me more than a little bit. Also, depending on what happens with K and K, that might leave us with no top line (or potentially even top 6) RWs, as our "best" RW on the roster would have a career high of 39 points (which was 11 points clear of his next best career number).

I do like Hertl, but not if Chytil is going the other way. Hertl is another one with a pretty serious injury history, and Chytil's 21 year old season was actually a good bit better than Hertl's 21 year old season. I don't want to trade Chytil+ just to see him become a more affordable, better version of Hertl. It's Zib for Brassard in reverse. If we can get Hertl for something built around Strome? Sign me up.

We need to move Strome and pick up either a young C with #1 C breakout potential (ie: someone like Patrick) or we need to pick up a mid-20s Brandon Dubinsky type for the 3rd line.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Buchnevich is quite a bit more valuable than Copp, whose concussion history worries me more than a little bit. Also, depending on what happens with K and K, that might leave us with no top line (or potentially even top 6) RWs, as our "best" RW on the roster would have a career high of 39 points (which was 11 points clear of his next best career number)

I do like Hertl, but not if Chytil is going the other way. Hertl is another one with a pretty serious injury history, and Chytil's 21 year old season was actually a good bit better than Hertl's 21 year old season. I don't want to trade Chytil+ just to see him become a more affordable, better version of Hertl. It's Zib for Brassard in reverse. If we can get Hertl for something built around Strome? Sign me up.

We need to move Strome and pick up either a young C with #1 C breakout potential (ie: someone like Patrick) or we need to pick up a mid-20s Brandon Dubinsky type for the 3rd line.

I dont disagree but 1 year from UFA might lower his value some and I think Copp has more potential then he's shown and can play both wing and center and would be considerably cheaper than Buchnevich, plus Kakko needs to get a real chance to break out at some point?
Ideally we can keep Buchnevich and he doesn't ask for the moon to do it. However, people mention TB as the ideal team and they have Killorn (49 points once) playing on a line with Stamkos and Cirelli (career high 44 points) because they just work together well.

I dont want to give up Chytil but we gotta be honest he's alot like what we have already (skill, flash)

Honestly I'm not sure what Strome's value is worth as he played pretty well without Panarin and was a former 5th overall pick who is still just 27 but also like Buchnevich one year from UFA.

 

[Dijock94]

I think if they want to make a playoff push next year it could be done without any major changes to the lineup. I would sign Buch to a 2-3 year deal in the neighborhood of 6 million per. I would bridge Chytil maybe around 2.5. Resign Howden and Gauthier for a bridge of around 1 million each. Shesty gets 5x5. Assuming the Kraken select Hajek in expansion that should leave a spot on the 4th line and a spot on defense that needs to be filled with over 10 million in cap space. I would sign Foligno and Gudbranson to 1 year deals and give them a good salary to do so seeing as we have the room in the cap to do it. They would bring toughness and some veteran presence in the bottom end of our lineup. The roster could look like this without having to trade away any futures before we get a good idea of what they are.

lafreniere - Zibanejad - Buchnevich
Panarin - Strome - Kakko
Kreider - Chytil - Kravstov
Foligno - Rooney - Blackwell
Howden - Gautier

Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Trouba
Jones - Gudbranson
Bitetto

Shesterkin
Georgiev

That should leave us with about 5 million in cap space give or take. It would also allow Lundkvist to start his season in Hartford. This would also leave us with plenty of cap space down the road to resign the current prospects we have when they’re due for raises.

 

[Barnaby]

Nolan Ryan is a pretty decent player to trade for.

He’s too dirty. Didn’t you see what he did to Robin Ventura?!

 

[n8]

I was bored so fooled around on capfriendly trying to change the team (too much skill, flash) without hurting the skill too much and came away with something like this.

We improve size/grit, face offs, defensive forwards and don’t lose too much skill at all and can easily roll 4 lines. If Kravtsov takes off Copp can move to center.

Buchnevich (RFA) for Copp (RFA)
Chytil/Georgiev/3rd for Hertl
Strome for Hartman/2nd rd pick

30M in cap the following year for Zib/Hertl(both?), Fox, Kakko and Kravtsov.

flame away lol

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stay away from Hertl's knees. torn ACL and MCL. He was ok this season but I'm wary. buyer beware!

 

[Ola]

I was trying to think of a low-cost offer for Patrick, but completely forgot about ADA. We could even retain half, to make it more palatable. Patrick is a gamble worth taking, IMO. Flyers fans keep complaining that he's soft and sticks to close to the perimeter, but we've seen Vigneault-coached teams. He tries to get them to play like that. There would literally be no risk in this move, and it gets ADA off of our 2022-23 cap (even if the buyout would just have a minimal charge that season).

Could be, at the same time, I think it is a hard trade to pull of between rivals.

One option I've looked at is that Patrick seems to be unprotected in the expansion draft on most "mock" lists. Could a trade be made with Seattle?

Patrick is good at FOs but can play RW. Slide Laf over to center with Panarin on his left and Patrick as a RW that can help out at the dot.

 

[Ola]

On guys like Patrick, things always go full circle. If you think a kid is overrated at the draft you will end up defending him 3 years later when he is seen as having zero value. Patrick is definitely still a talented hockey player that if developed properly and if he can stay healthy, should become a good NHLer.

 

[Ola]

Not to sound like a hater but Caufield has made more wow plays in his 20 or whatever games than Kakko and Laf combined in their 150+ games. Fire Quinn!

Lets just prey that management's gross negligence with the development of Kakko and Laf haven't hurt their development long-term (much).

 

[Ola]

I mean reaves gets himself suspended. You want a guy who applies pressure, but doesn’t hit dirty. Losing a physical presence in the playoffs is bad.

They stepped over so many lines against us that there are basically none left. We just must answer to that. Some will say that you can't deter stuff like that, but I mean, to some extent you definitely can. If we have a guy that will do this if Wilson goes after Panarin, he won't do it. Not saying that he won't take run at people and stuff like that, but there is a scale.


BTW big lol at Sam's comments... Orr cross checks AO in the face. Sam "Oh Zubrus ran into his own man there".

 

[GAGLine]

I dont disagree but 1 year from UFA might lower his value some and I think Copp has more potential then he's shown and can play both wing and center and would be considerably cheaper than Buchnevich

Copp is also 1 year away from UFA and needs a new contract, same as Buch. Copp will get less, but that's because he hasn't been good as Buch. Value wise, Winnipeg would have to add, but even then I'm not sure he'd be a great fit.

Regarding Hertl, aside from the injury concerns, I don't like his contract. He has 1 year left and then he's a UFA at age 28. I feel like he's the kind of guy who will end up getting paid for what he has done rather than what he's going to do. We gave Kreider a UFA contract. We might give Zib one. I don't want to bring in anyone that will soon need to get paid as a UFA. They need to have at least 3 years left on their contract or be young enough that we can sign them long term without going too far into their UFA years.

 

[Ola]

So when will the Gallant signing be announced?

 

[pld459666]

I wonder once the dust settles after the playoffs if DeAngelo at 50% might have some value around the league.

Cheaper to buy him out

 

[Avery16]

Source: Penguins Look for Veteran Goalie; Jarry, Malkin Safe from Kraken

interesting tidbit here about Malkin willing to waive his NMC for Florida. Maybe this gives Florida a backup if it seems they cannot re-sign Barkov. They could trade Barkov to us, making room for Malkin, which in turn frees cap room for Pittsburgh.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Source: Penguins Look for Veteran Goalie; Jarry, Malkin Safe from Kraken

interesting tidbit here about Malkin willing to waive his NMC for Florida. Maybe this gives Florida a backup if it seems they cannot re-sign Barkov. They could trade Barkov to us, making room for Malkin, which in turn frees cap room for Pittsburgh.

I don’t think anyone considers Malkin a potential replacement for barkov. Malkin hasn’t been 100% healthy in years and just had surgery and is an upcoming ufa.
Malkin also has a 9m cap hit which Florida can’t really afford.

 

[Avery16]

I don’t think anyone considers Malkin a potential replacement for barkov. Malkin hasn’t been 100% healthy in years and just had surgery and is an upcoming ufa.
Malkin also has a 9m cap hit which Florida can’t really afford.

Pittsburgh would likely retain in order to move the cap hit.

If he can stay healthy, Malkin still produces at a high rate. He’s won three Cups and Florida might see him as a leader who could get them one.

If Florida can’t keep Barkov, they’ll take what they can get to replace him. Not many players are motivated to go there.

 

[Ola]

If DeAngelo didn't do some sort of anger management or sensitivity training over all this time then he really is a bonehead, even if it's just purely for PR purposes. Just do anything to give a future GM or coach a soundbite they can throw out to the media when asked whether they're concerned about him or his prior transgressions.

I think it is like Staal said, in light of how everything that happened in NY was made public (contrary to how these situations normally are handled) it was blown out of proportion and teams won't touch him right now. If he becomes a UFA he can sign up on a PTO or whatever and earn a spot and go from there.

What happened with Brendan Lemieux? Strome has referred to a situation, that it is not known to the public and it seems very likely that it was about Lemieux. Lemieux was traded instantly. Anyway, don't matter much, but I think the TDA situation is a bigger dent in Gorton's rep than what is acknowledge. Everyone in the organization was tripping over themselves to bad mouth TDA in public to justify him being moved, totally killing any chance of moving him in the process. I don't care much about blown high draft picks or even the odd bad trade, things don't always work out, nobody should be expected to bat 1.000. But the handling of TDA was just not professional -- like so many other things.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I also don't think Malkin is going to be ready to start the season due to his recent injury.