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Speculation: Roster Building Thread V (2021 Offseason) - Hold them horses, only 45 days left until the draft!

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Savant said:
What did Gordon do better than Lou? Luck out and win two lotteries? Make a couple on no brainer moves? Lou is helping getting the most out of an average Isles team and putting them in a position to succeed. And yes, he brought Trotz.
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Fine. No lotteries. Then instead of Kakko and Laf, you are looking at Zegras and Lundell. Does the future of the team look that much worse?

No brainers? Like what? So many GMs were knocking down Edmoton's door for Strome? Everyone lined up to trade for Fox? How many GMs got aggressive and moved up to take a Schneider or Miller? Who were these people? How many identified Lindren as anything but a midling prospect?
The Rangers tried to rebuild, but we saw the plug get pulled on that this season rather abruptly. Even before getting fired Quinn talked about making the playoffs as a necessity. Proof is in the pudding.
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The plug got pulled because of Dolan, who had too much beer and bad pizza and then watched the Wilson game while tying one on. That moved basically stunned most people in hockey. And you feel like Dolan's actions somehow justify your take?
 
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True Blue said:
Fine. No lotteries. Then instead of Kakko and Laf, you are looking at Zegras and Lundell. Does the future of the team look that much worse?

No brainers? Like what? So many GMs were knocking down Edmoton's door for Strome? Everyone lined up to trade for Fox? How many GMs got aggressive and moved up to take a Schneider or Miller? Who were these people? How many identified Lindren as anything but a midling prospect?
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He managed to pry Lindgren away from the Bs.....
 
True Blue said:
Fine. No lotteries. Then instead of Kakko and Laf, you are looking at Zegras and Lundell. Does the future of the team look that much worse?

No brainers? Like what? So many GMs were knocking down Edmoton's door for Strome? Everyone lined up to trade for Fox? How many GMs got aggressive and moved up to take a Schneider or Miller? Who were these people? How many identified Lindren as anything but a midling prospect?

The plug got pulled because of Dolan, who had too much beer and bad pizza and then watched the Wilson game while tying one on. That moved basically stunned most people in hockey. And you feel like Dolan's actions somehow justify your take?
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How do you know it’s Zegras or Lundell though? How do you know Trotz doesn’t get them into the playoffs? It’s likely Trotz makes this a playoff team. Future could be better or worse, it’s only different. Team is probably more aggressive as buyers, rather than selling but it could be success in a different way.

No brainer like taking Kakko and Lafreniere. Strome move was nice. Fox was only ever going to be a Ranger. Lindgren was a 2nd rounder buried in Boston’s depth chart that has benefited tremendously from his history with Fox that anyone could have identified. Gorton also doesn’t have a copyright on trading up in the draft. Come on.

Dolan’s actions absolutely justify my take because it happened. Doesn’t matter if we think it’s stupid or not, it is reality. If Dolan didn’t want to rebuild/be patient with a rebuild he should have hired Trotz over Quinn, and he certainly had the opportunity to do so. Islanders are better than the Rangers because of this. The Islanders win off the ice. The Rangers are not as strong off the ice.
 
I think Gallant is the right guy. I just worry that we might be a year or 2 out from the perfect time to hire him as our coach. Hope he has more staying power here than he has in the past.
 
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Savant said:
No brainer like taking Kakko and Lafreniere. Strome move was nice. Fox was only ever going to be a Ranger. Lindgren was a 2nd rounder buried in Boston’s depth chart that has benefited tremendously from his history with Fox that anyone could have identified. Gorton also doesn’t have a copyright on trading up in the draft. Come on.
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Huh? Fox wasn't Rangers property when the Nash trade happened. We took Lindgren in that trade because someone saw something in him.

If anything your argument is totally backwards. You never want to trade for a player who seems to be riding the coattails of a star player at lower levels. That almost never works out.

Now I don't think we took Lindgren thinking he'd become a first pairing D for us. We took him with the idea he'd might turn into a 5-6 who can play with grit/bite.

Nonetheless, if Gorton and co take heat for Hajek and Rykov, they deserve credit for taking Lindgren.
 
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Bacon Artemi Bravo said:
I think Gallant is the right guy. I just worry that we might be a year or 2 out from the perfect time to hire him as our coach. Hope he has more staying power here than he has in the past.
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Worrying about problems that aren't problems. If your guys available, you get him. Even if it is a year early. Some opportunities do not present themselves again.
 
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Huh? Fox wasn't Rangers property when the Nash trade happened. We took Lindgren in that trade because someone saw something in him.

If anything your argument is totally backwards. You never want to trade for a player who seems to be riding the coattails of a star player at lower levels. That almost never works out.

Now I don't think we took Lindgren thinking he'd become a first pairing D for us. We took him with the idea he'd might turn into a 5-6 who can play with grit/bite.

Nonetheless, if Gorton and co take heat for Hajek and Rykov, they deserve credit for taking Lindgren.
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He shouldn't take any heat for Rykov. We got Rykov and a 2nd for Grabner, who has done nothing of note since leaving the Rangers. The 2nd was used to move up to take Miller.

Rykov was a 5th round pick who didn't work out. Hardly surprising.
 
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gravey9 said:
Huh? Fox wasn't Rangers property when the Nash trade happened. We took Lindgren in that trade because someone saw something in him.

If anything your argument is totally backwards. You never want to trade for a player who seems to be riding the coattails of a star player at lower levels. That almost never works out.

Now I don't think we took Lindgren thinking he'd become a first pairing D for us. We took him with the idea he'd might turn into a 5-6 who can play with grit/bite.

Nonetheless, if Gorton and co take heat for Hajek and Rykov, they deserve credit for taking Lindgren.
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I think Lindgren was a throw in and they got lucky. Which is fine. I think they got unlucky with Rykov. Which is fine. Hayek is a disaster because they seemed him out as a major piece
 
haohmaru said:
Honestly, you can make a case for all three to be the best and not be wrong. Gretzky, Bossy, Ovie.

Ovie, however, is the best power forward of all time.
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Ovi is a lot closer to being the best Goalscorer of all time than he is to beating out Gordie Howe for best power forward.
 
Savant said:
How do you know it’s Zegras or Lundell though? How do you know Trotz doesn’t get them into the playoffs? It’s likely Trotz makes this a playoff team. Future could be better or worse, it’s only different. Team is probably more aggressive as buyers, rather than selling but it could be success in a different way.

No brainer like taking Kakko and Lafreniere. Strome move was nice. Fox was only ever going to be a Ranger. Lindgren was a 2nd rounder buried in Boston’s depth chart that has benefited tremendously from his history with Fox that anyone could have identified. Gorton also doesn’t have a copyright on trading up in the draft. Come on.

Dolan’s actions absolutely justify my take because it happened. Doesn’t matter if we think it’s stupid or not, it is reality. If Dolan didn’t want to rebuild/be patient with a rebuild he should have hired Trotz over Quinn, and he certainly had the opportunity to do so. Islanders are better than the Rangers because of this. The Islanders win off the ice. The Rangers are not as strong off the ice.
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Playoff team is uninteresting. Cup contender is where it's at. The Isles look solid, but not better than the real contenders. To achieve this they created a veteran team that plays mindnumbingly boring hockey and have shot their prospect pool to bits. If they don't succeed now they are screwed. JD and Gorts were pursuing a 'brick by brick' approach and have created the opportunity to build a real contender. The Rangers have an outstanding prospect pool, draft picks ready for draft day or to be traded as needed, and up and coming talent on the roster.

If the new Ranger management don't drop the ball they can have a real contending team in two to four years. Not an almost team like the Isles, but an actual contender for the cup.
 
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CLW said:
Playoff team is uninteresting. Cup contender is where it's at. The Isles look solid, but not better than the real contenders. To achieve this they created a veteran team that plays mindnumbingly boring hockey and have shot their prospect pool to bits. If they don't succeed now they are screwed. JD and Gorts were pursuing a 'brick by brick' approach and have created the opportunity to build a real contender. The Rangers have an outstanding prospect pool, draft picks ready for draft day or to be traded as needed, and up and coming talent on the roster.

If the new Ranger management don't drop the ball they can have a real contending team in two to four years. Not an almost team like the Isles, but an actual contender for the cup.
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Exactly. They have one of the older teams in the league, lots of their positions locked up, not much in terms of future talent, and with all of that they’re still not better than the peak of the last generation of ranger teams, which as fun as it was, didn’t win.
 
UnSandvich said:
Ovi is a lot closer to being the best Goalscorer of all time than he is to beating out Gordie Howe for best power forward.
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Oh, I don't know about that - 200+ hits every year, 9 Richard trophies, better goal scorer, better power play goal scorer, 6' 3" 236, etc... It's hard to compare the two from such different eras but I'd take Ovie over Howe were I starting a team if they were the same age.

Hell, I might even take Messier over Howe. But, hard to make that determination given he played most before I was born and I'm pretty old @ 54 lol.
 
CLW said:
Playoff team is uninteresting. Cup contender is where it's at. The Isles look solid, but not better than the real contenders. To achieve this they created a veteran team that plays mindnumbingly boring hockey and have shot their prospect pool to bits. If they don't succeed now they are screwed. JD and Gorts were pursuing a 'brick by brick' approach and have created the opportunity to build a real contender. The Rangers have an outstanding prospect pool, draft picks ready for draft day or to be traded as needed, and up and coming talent on the roster.

If the new Ranger management don't drop the ball they can have a real contending team in two to four years. Not an almost team like the Isles, but an actual contender for the cup.
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If the Isles go to back to back conference finals, they are contenders. We sign up for that up even if it’s boring.
 
True Blue said:
Fine. No lotteries. Then instead of Kakko and Laf, you are looking at Zegras and Lundell. Does the future of the team look that much worse?

No brainers? Like what? So many GMs were knocking down Edmoton's door for Strome? Everyone lined up to trade for Fox? How many GMs got aggressive and moved up to take a Schneider or Miller? Who were these people? How many identified Lindren as anything but a midling prospect?

The plug got pulled because of Dolan, who had too much beer and bad pizza and then watched the Wilson game while tying one on. That moved basically stunned most people in hockey. And you feel like Dolan's actions somehow justify your take?
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I think if the devils took kakko and Hughes was a ranger, there would be a lot more happier people here.

Fox isn’t really arguable. He made his position known. Carolina even traded for him 1st in efforts to change his mind, but he was adamant about being a ranger( thank god).
But drafting lundkvist
Trading up to grab miller and Schneider both were solid moves

but your also wrong about lindgren . He was drafted pretty high. His talent was pretty well noticed by a lot of teams. Boston wasn’t sure about his size and offense and there were questions if his skating would translate to the NHL. To lindgren a credit he worked his ass off and put those questions to bed with us.again ( thank god). But he isn’t a girardi situation where he went undrafted.
Boston just didn’t have the patience and included him in the deal. They figured some of the other prospects they had, had already passed him on the depth chart. Kind of similar to the habs and McDonuagh
 
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Barnaby said:
I swear, grass is always greener. That's why every Ranger coach in the last 30 years gets lambasted. "If we had just hired coach _____ then we'd be worlds better. Of course, some with reason, but others much less so.
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This is such a strange argument to make as a fan of one of the least successful franchises in sports. This team has had an array of no name (as coaches) experiments in my life time, all of which ended predictably badly. This team also went to the SCF during the tenures of both high end coaches they’ve hired since the lockout. Sure, those guys ran their course like coaches always do, but they brought the team success as was expected of them, and people weren’t complaining loudly until things went badly.

A team with the status of the NYR should never be f***ing around with second and third rate staff. They have the resources to make the staff an advantage in a cap league. There is zero excuse to be employing Quinn, Trottier, Low, etc. Pay up for a known quantity and reap the benefits.
 
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