Speculation: Roster Building Thread V (2021 Offseason) - Hold them horses, only 45 days left until the draft!

[NYRangers16]

Yea no doubt I don’t want him anywhere on top 2 lines. No with Kreids dropping to 3rd line duty I would want to lock fast in on 4th line as well. That’s a great point. It sucks we can’t force these coaches where they should play guys. Their going to put them in spots they want where they think it gives them the best chance to win, not the best chance to develop.

Again, you do bridges while rebuilding. Makes perfect sense. But once you are opening a cup window you need value deals. I’d have traded Fast, but playoff experience + team stability might have been seen as worth more than the mid-rd pick. Can’t argue with that.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Bridges shorten your cup window. They give you more space short term, for less of a window long term. You don't bridge stars, you bridge mid level talent. Kakko and Laf are not bridge talents. Bridging Laf and Kakko might help in the short term, but will absolutely hamstring any true window for us.

Remember we dont just have kakko and laf as young talents who are on ELC.
Fox/miller/jones/Lundkvist/Kratsov/Schneider could all potentially need deals in 2-3 years. GM's who only look at this years cap total, are one's who expect to win the cup this year and pay the price later.

 

[pld459666]

Sigh. Rangers made it to the scf with Rick Nash (he had a bad playoffs for sure)..but his presence took heat off of those around him. And as an asset we essentially got back our #1ld our #2ld and our #2c if I'm remembering right.

I'll bow out here though..you're not gonna hange my mind. I'm not gonna change yours.

I'm also not always about getting the high priced superstar player.

HATED Gomez, Drury, redden, msl, yandle, etc etc


Loved shanny, jagr, Nash, gabby and ive definitely been all aboard the train for other players like captain hotdog when he was available, Marian hossa, etc

It's not about the superstar, it's about the right player at the right time with the right assets going out to fill the right holes

Nash was a good acquisition.

Lindros was a shit acquisition

Eichel reminds me a whole hell of a lot more of a Lindros type acquisition in that we know we are looking at damaged goods.

With out window just starting to crack open, that's not a risk we should even consider.

 

[NYRangers16]

Bridges shorten your cup window. They give you more space short term, for less of a window long term. You don't bridge stars, you bridge mid level talent. Kakko and Laf are not bridge talents. Bridging Laf and Kakko might help in the short term, but will absolutely hamstring any true window for us.

Remember we dont just have kakko and laf as young talents who are on ELC.
Fox/miller/jones/Lundkvist/Kratsov/Schneider could all potentially need deals in 2-3 years. GM's who only look at this years cap total, are one's who expect to win the cup this year and pay the price later.

1000%

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Bridges shorten your cup window. They give you more space short term, for less of a window long term. You don't bridge stars, you bridge mid level talent. Kakko and Laf are not bridge talents. Bridging Laf and Kakko might help in the short term, but will absolutely hamstring any true window for us.

Remember we dont just have kakko and laf as young talents who are on ELC.
Fox/miller/jones/Lundkvist/Kratsov/Schneider could all potentially need deals in 2-3 years. GM's who only look at this years cap total, are one's who expect to win the cup this year and pay the price later.

You have a point but the important thing to look at here is arbitration eligiblity, not RFA status. A while back I created an overview and have updated regularly since. See below (Names marked in orange are projections):

 

[MysticLeviathan]

I don't know about Laf and Kakko immediately signing 8 year deals. The problem is you'll have a player who's a UFA at 29. That's like the worst possible time. It's right as his prime is closing. He'll almost certainly want an 8 year deal, meaning you're stuck with him at 37 when he's likely a shell of himself and just mediocre. At the same time, he's likely come off one of his best seasons, which is a huge part of contract negotiations. It ended up being our big f***up with Kreider. At the same time, if you resign a player after a 3 year bridge deal, the AAV is likely way higher. So I really don't know how to figure it.

Fox you need to extend an 8 year deal immediately since he's going to be 24 when his contract expires, making his deal expire right after his prime closes. Same with Igor, where we can get him through right after his prime closed. Players like Kakko and Laf are less sure.

 

[wafflepadsave]

And maybe stop the no- move clauses

 

[bbny]

I’d agree with you, but we lose Lindgren in 2 years due to his bridge. We’ll also lose Buch and Strome this year. And if Shesty signs a bridge we’ll lose him too, or have to overpay a goalie. Cap and asset management matters.

Yeah. I generally agree with your view to go long term vs bridge. I would have gone longer term with Buch and with Lindgren. I personally wanted to see like a 5 yr deal for Lindgren. It might have cost 3.5-4 a year instead of 3, but I think taking him through age 28-29 would have been perfect for the kind of player he is.

 

[Inferno]

Nash was a good acquisition.

Lindros was a shit acquisition

Eichel reminds me a whole hell of a lot more of a Lindros type acquisition in that we know we are looking at damaged goods.

With out window just starting to crack open, that's not a risk we should even consider.

Lindros was great until he got concussed again and basically cost nothing to get in a non cap league


How was that a shit acquisition?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

And maybe stop the no- move clauses

- Front-load the contracts, ALWAYS
- Avoid clauses
- Lock up your best players early

 

[cheech70]

You have a point but the important thing to look at here is arbitration eligiblity, not RFA status. A while back I created an overview and have updated regularly since. See below (Names marked in orange are projections):

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Great chart.....

How about a lindgren type contract for Filip?

 

[Fitzy]

Lindros was great until he got concussed again and basically cost nothing to get in a non cap league


How was that a shit acquisition?

He cost us a promising young defenseman, a 23 year old winger coming off a 64 point season, and a 4th overall pick who we were worried about but didn't yet know was a bust.

Hlavac never recouped his form but Johnsson had some good seasons for them. I'd call that deal a wash. Lindros was only good for a season and a half, Brendl busted and Hlavac was apparently an artifact of the Czech passe line with Nedved and Dvorak

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

And we get Jack Johnson instead lol. Rooney and Blackwell we’re smart adds though. I’m starting to see Dolan’s logic. Gorton belongs in a scouting dept. Has set us up great. But these contracts are a mess. I’d like to assume Drury knows better, but we’ll see.

I believe so far. The lindgren contract is very good. A top 4 dman who is starting to add offense to his game signed for 3 years 3m per. I know its not long term but we have ALOT of defensive prospects coming up the pipeline and i think drury knows what he is doing.

 

[jay from jersey]

Yeah. I generally agree with your view to go long term vs bridge. I would have gone longer term with Buch and with Lindgren. I personally wanted to see like a 5 yr deal for Lindgren. It might have cost 3.5-4 a year instead of 3, but I think taking him through age 28-29 would have been perfect for the kind of player he is.

Would have liked it too, but odds are he won’t break the bank on his next deal either. They want to make sure his body doesn’t break down too fast I’m assuming. I love Lindgren, he’s been proving doubters wrong for a long time now. He’s certainly a guy I would have loved it if they locked him up a little longer. It’s very important he doesn’t become Staal/Girardi version 2.0 though. I think they know what they have with Robertson, and Miller playing well for the most part this year definitely factored in this decision. I have no doubt both Miller and Robertson will be used to PK as well. That should help with the wear and tear on Lindgren for the future. Jones is most likely trade bait at this point, I think the rangers would like their left side more with Robertson, Miller, Lindgren rather then adding the smaller player in Jones even though he’s more offensively gifted

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

And maybe stop the no- move clauses

Nobody should be getting a NMC or NTC unless its mcdavid drai or mackinnon type player. Its ridiculous that players like Krieder (ugh) gets a NTC.

 

[McRanger92]

How are we in our window when we haven't even made the playoffs yet? And we are absolutely waiting for them to cook. Laf, Kakko, Kravtsov, Miller, Chytil, Barron, Jones, Lundkvist, Schneider, Robertson. None of these players have come close to their peak potential yet. None of them are performing at a level that will be needed to be cup contenders.

There's nothing irrational about worrying about the cap. It's math. It's not real difficult to see how adding a 10 mil center will affect our cap situation now and in the future. Some people just refuse to do the math and prefer to just cross their figures and assume it will all work out.

we can agree to disagree, but when you have the best LW in the league, the top defenseman, a top goal scorer, a young goalie you trust, plenty of secondary scoring options and tons of top prospects on ELCs in the NHL, you’re window is open

 

[IDvsEGO]

And maybe stop the no- move clauses

One of the reasons you give a player a no move is if they took less salary.
As much as we hate the kreider contract, he took less than an open market contract because he wanted to stay in nyc. The only way to control staying is that nmc. It’s a give and take, we don’t do nmc’s we’ll likely pay more in cap hit.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Great chart.....

How about a lindgren type contract for Filip?

That has the potential to be disastrous. Chytil is one I’d lock up for 8years on a 4-5m deal.
Pre-injury he was our best center, and then once he was healthy he again looked like a 2C.
He absolutely needs to work on defensive play and winning face offs, but he’s got the talent and skills to do both.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

I do find it annoying that a year after not giving Fast 3 yrs x 2 that they are going after a similar player in free agency

Gorton wanted to stay the course
Sather is telling Drury to speed this process up

Fixed. The guy is frikkin' Gollum

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

no no no lol, not 10. But I’d do the same think the Avs did with Mack with LaF and Kakko. Especially LaF. MacKinnon is on one of the best value deals in the league right now and 6.3 mill a year. I would absolutely pay that type of contract and bank on potential. They both have the goods. Not only that, after we sign shesty to either 5 or 6 years for around 5-6 mill I would make sure we draft a stud goalie 2,3,4 years down the road.
Hank was amazing for us, but we can’t always count on getting a Hank. Between the pipes we shouldn’t spent more then 5-6 ever on the player IMO. It’s a waste of resources that can be better allocated elsewhere.

Yeah but the way people are talking, its like they think these players are going to cost us 10M (Laf, Fox, Kakko, etc). If you can sign them to value deals long term of course you do it. I'm just saying you don't just sign players to huge contracts on the hope you'll be right down the road.

Mckinnon had 63 points his rookie year a far different kind of player than Laf/Kakko. It was quite clear Mckinnon was going to be a star from day 1

IMO right now the only player that's going to get a long term deal of some sorts right now is Fox

 

[Raspewtin]

Yeah but the way people are talking, its like they think these players are going to cost us 10M (Laf, Fox, Kakko, etc). If you can sign them to value deals long term of course you do it. I'm just saying you don't just sign players to huge contracts on the hope you'll be right down the road.

Mckinnon had 63 points his rookie year a far different kind of player than Laf/Kakko. It was quite clear Mckinnon was going to be a star from day 1

and then MacKinnon was a 2nd liner for 3 years with nothing of value on his resume.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I think the Rangers are in good position assets-wise to make a godfather offer for the guy they really want. I think that’s what we’re going to see this summer. I’m not talking a McDavid level guy but a very good player who fills that leadership and grit role but with skill. Maybe someone like Ryan O’Reilly.

Talk about the PERFECT player for the Rangers.. ROR is absolutely that center, I doubt the Blues will move him tho.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Talk about the PERFECT player for the Rangers.. ROR is absolutely that center, I doubt the Blues will move him tho.

the blues are in an interesting spot. They've got very little talent upcoming, their defense took a drop and they signed a goalie who is clearly not the answer. They also dont have a ton of long term contracts for fowards, so while they have flexibility they dont have the depth of talent necessary for another deep run.

ROR only has 2 more years at 7.5, so he'd be expensive and you're definitely looking at including chytil in that deal, but he wouldn't be crazy.

 

[jay from jersey]

Yeah but the way people are talking, its like they think these players are going to cost us 10M (Laf, Fox, Kakko, etc). If you can sign them to value deals long term of course you do it. I'm just saying you don't just sign players to huge contracts on the hope you'll be right down the road.

Mckinnon had 63 points his rookie year a far different kind of player than Laf/Kakko. It was quite clear Mckinnon was going to be a star from day 1

IMO right now the only player that's going to get a long term deal of some sorts right now is Fox

yea I agree with that. If we can get Fox for 8x8 I do that Tomorrow. But the other guys haven’t done anything to warrant a long term deal over 5-6 mill based on mostly potential. They aren’t sniffing 9-10 mill yet
Panarin is the highest paid winger in the league. And crazy as it sounds he’s worth every penny. Even if he took more from the other teams, his play justifies his contract

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

the blues are in an interesting spot. They've got very little talent upcoming, their defense took a drop and they signed a goalie who is clearly not the answer. They also dont have a ton of long term contracts for fowards, so while they have flexibility they dont have the depth of talent necessary for another deep run.

ROR only has 2 more years at 7.5, so he'd be expensive and you're definitely looking at including chytil in that deal, but he wouldn't be crazy.

I could maybe see him being available in 2022, but I think they take one more shot with him minimum, but I'd make the call anyway worst then can do is say no