Speculation: Roster Building Thread V (2021 Offseason) - Hold them horses, only 45 days left until the draft!

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The Pegulas aren't signing off on any long term cap retention
Likely not, but never say never.

2 years ago the idea of trading Eichel at all would've been totally and completely absurd. You never know, they could find themselves underwhelmed with offers and some minor retention could lead to a far better return (akin to including JT Miller in the McD trade to get the best return (Hajek lmao) possible). GMs and Owners can be coaxed into things that would've previously seemed crazy. It's still very unlikely but you never know.

With no retention then I'm totally lowballing them. And don't forget, although his NMC hasn't kicked in yet, the Eichel camp will have some sort of input to where he goes due to the whole injury fiasco. It will be interesting to see how this shakes out.
 
And I think if they DO pull the trigger on Eichel, you then go to Zib and lay everything on the table for him. Tell him that we are on the precipice of potential greatness. If he wants to be here, to live in NYC that comes with a price, a give to get. If he doesnt want to bend he is completely within his rights to do so and you tell him we are trading you. Recoup assets for zib (hopefully with an extension for the team getting him) and flip other assets to fill in the holes.

You can certainly have that conversation with him but even if he takes something "affordable" to stay I can't see it making sense for a number of reasons. With Panarin, Laf, and Kakko on the wings, this team just isn't going to be built down the middle. So having two elite centers really just isn't a viable solution financially. Barring some fantastical "I'll take $4m per year to stay" sort of thing from Zib, obviously.

Eichel comes in. Zib is a casualty. Just really no way around it. Rangers need the cap flexibility as well as the diversity down the middle.
 
What he did arrive here when he first started was destructive. Golf before hockey. Signing just for the sake of getting the players without planning to see if the pieces would fit. Adding players at the deadline who were past being effective. Not understanding the details of Lindros deal. Esposito was bad but he was bad in a different way in the beginning of his tenure.
Eh, salary cap era Sather was actually a pretty good GM. Made some mistakes but he was mostly good.

Pre Cap he was a tire fire though so you're correct there.
 
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Very interesting read. I think the Kings are looking great with what they are doing and completely agree with Mayor's take RE: where to spend the most assets and it being a big time Dman. I know the mayor is highly connected and well respected but do you think there's any agenda from him (clearly wants nothing to do with Eichel) in this article or is LA doing their negotiations through the media?
 
Very interesting read. I think the Kings are looking great with what they are doing and completely agree with Mayor's take RE: where to spend the most assets and it being a big time Dman. I know the mayor is highly connected and well respected but do you think there's any agenda from him (clearly wants nothing to do with Eichel) in this article or is LA doing their negotiations through the media?

I do not think so. He is very reliable reporter.
I believe he explained reasoning why LA wants to stay away from Eichel very clearly.
 
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Likely not, but never say never.

2 years ago the idea of trading Eichel at all would've been totally and completely absurd. You never know, they could find themselves underwhelmed with offers and some minor retention could lead to a far better return (akin to including JT Miller in the McD trade to get the best return (Hajek lmao) possible). GMs and Owners can be coaxed into things that would've previously seemed crazy. It's still very unlikely but you never know.

With no retention then I'm totally lowballing them. And don't forget, although his NMC hasn't kicked in yet, the Eichel camp will have some sort of input to where he goes due to the whole injury fiasco. It will be interesting to see how this shakes out.
Pegulas have been on record stating that they want to tighten the purse strings even though they are rich. Cant imagine him signing off on allowing his GM to send his best player somewhere else and still be paying part of his salary.
 
I kinda wish we traded for Trocheck , Carolina didnt give up much at all for him. Would they trade him having Aho and Staal already? Also cant Necas play center too? man, do they need wing help?
 
Whats the price for Reinhart instead of Eichel? He's one year from UFA and is 25 and puts up about a .75 PPG the last 3 years and probably is easily good for 25 goals (maybe more playing with Panarin), but does he have the same faults as Strome? How is he defensively? He sucks on face offs too. etc
 
Whats the price for Reinhart instead of Eichel? He's one year from UFA and is 25 and puts up about a .75 PPG the last 3 years and probably is easily good for 25 goals (maybe more playing with Panarin), but does he have the same faults as Strome? How is he defensively? He sucks on face offs too. etc

Reinhart's foot speed isn't great. Beyond that the big question is whether or not he's actually a center in the NHL. Played RW for most of his NHL career but looked great in the middle after Eichel went down. Coming out of Junior he was a sure-fire two way center who could play on the top line. Not sure why the Sabres felt the need to move him to the wing, but I don't really keep up on them.

Honestly if we were forced to roll the dice on one or the other I'd pick Reinhart. Could probably sign him for the Schenn contract and let him put up 70 points riding shotgun to our elite (or soon to be) wingers. That all being said, they're both a gamble.
 
Reinhart's foot speed isn't great. Beyond that the big question is whether or not he's actually a center in the NHL. Played RW for most of his NHL career but looked great in the middle after Eichel went down. Coming out of Junior he was a sure-fire two way center who could play on the top line. Not sure why the Sabres felt the need to move him to the wing, but I don't really keep up on them.

Honestly if we were forced to roll the dice on one or the other I'd pick Reinhart. Could probably sign him for the Schenn contract and let him put up 70 points riding shotgun to our elite (or soon to be) wingers. That all being said, they're both a gamble.

I would assume because he is not signed for 5 more years or have the name of Eichel a gamble that asset wise is considerably cheaper. Rangers have had quite a good amount of luck recently with former high first round picks (Zibanejad, easily won the Strome trade)
 
I would assume because he is not signed for 5 more years or have the name of Eichel a gamble that asset wise is considerably cheaper. Rangers have had quite a good amount of luck recently with former high first round picks (Zibanejad, easily won the Strome trade)

No doubt he'll be cheaper to acquire and cost less than Eichel on his next deal. So if you think he can be a good, responsible, complimentary center that can notch 60+ points playing with Laf or Kakko, then I think he's a great addition. If he doesn't stick at center then there's always a market for RHS wingers with term.
 
Is Sam Reinhart really much of an upgrade over Strome? Don't we want a 2-way center who can win faceoffs and PK in addition to having some offense?

Thats what I'm wondering as well, Is he too much of a Strome like player?
 
No doubt he'll be cheaper to acquire and cost less than Eichel on his next deal. So if you think he can be a good, responsible, complimentary center that can notch 60+ points playing with Laf or Kakko, then I think he's a great addition. If he doesn't stick at center then there's always a market for RHS wingers with term.

Yeah he can also play wing obviously (which we dont really need, but its good to be versatile)
 
Danault is a match-up center. He's the type of guy you can rely on to tilt the ice in most match-ups on any given night. Whether that makes him a 2C or 3C I don't care. He's the perfect type of center that would fit in well in a group of guys that could include Chytil and possibly another highly skilled young center. Feed Danault the tough assignments and then give some easier match-ups to the young guys as they grow.
 
Danault is a match-up center. He's the type of guy you can rely on to tilt the ice in most match-ups on any given night. Whether that makes him a 2C or 3C I don't care. He's the perfect type of center that would fit in well in a group of guys that could include Chytil and possibly another highly skilled young center. Feed Danault the tough assignments and then give some easier match-ups to the young guys as they grow.

I'm hearing he's likely not going to be an option as he will re up with Montreal most likely. I'm warming up to the idea more and more if he hits UFA tho, especially if we keep Chytil who if he continues to grow could become a top offensive center as well
 
Just for arguments sake, I'd be okay going in to next year with Danault, Kreijci, Chytil at center while moving on from Zibanejad and Strome, hopefully securing a really good center prospect from someone in those deals who they can groom and grow from within. That young highly skilled center is going to be SO valuable as the other young guys develop and get paid. Danault allows for those young guys to develop in an insulated role but with prime PP time.
 
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