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Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

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If they want to get better overall at 5 on 5, Vatrano is the last guy they should think about signing.

He is good at shooting the puck, that's it. If they want to actually improve at breaking out, entering the zone with possession, establishing a forecheck, etc. he is a net negative.
 
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HatTrick Swayze said:
If they want to get better overall at 5 on 5, Vatrano is the last guy they should think about signing.

He is good at shooting the puck, that's it. If they want to actually improve at breaking out, entering the zone with possession, establishing a forecheck, etc. he is a net negative.
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Was he that bad? He was one of the speedier players on our team I thought. One of the few that was able to find soft spaces to get open for passes. I agree his best asset is his shot, but I thought he brought more to table than just that.
 
mas0764 said:
But at a sacrifice of greater long term value than what you get.

If Copp walks, we basically got 20 playoff games for a first and second round pick. A Brennan Othmann is worth way more than that.

Not every late first rounder will be Othmann or Nils but we have a pretty solid first round drafting track record of at least getting solid players.

For a team that is NOT done building for it's future yet as it needs substantially more talent at forward still, it stings. Survivable yes, but you can't keep doing this every deadline.
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To be fair, our first rounder this year will be I believe the 30th pick, and this is considered to be a weak draft. So I won't put much stock in that first rounder. Drury knew what he was doing with making the condition being that they make the ECF.
 
Fitzy said:
The way to incorporate Jones is to spread the D pairs out.

Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider

Trouba has made every defenseman he played with more comfortable and better except Lindgren.
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Not sure they'll separate Lindy and Fox, but its absolutely the right move.

55 is better suited as a 3rd pair D man and would excel with less minutes and hopefully less injuries. Him healthy for an entire playoffs would go a long way. Lindgren-Schneider has the makes of a solid, steady 3rd pair. Key is ready for the top pair challenge and a pairing with Fox could he elite.

Troubs has been a good partner for young defensemen a large portion of his career (Morrisey/Miller) and can do it for Jones too
 
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I honestly think a Jones-Trouba pairing would be awful, considering the number of odd man rushes that Trouba lets by him. I don't think people realize how much Miller has been covering for his mistakes on D.
 
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The New Russian Five said:
To be fair, our first rounder this year will be I believe the 30th pick, and this is considered to be a weak draft. So I won't put much stock in that first rounder. Drury knew what he was doing with making the condition being that they make the ECF.
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I think we value Copp so highly (hes a great player, not to slight him, he fit very well and was a great addition) because he did so many of the things Strome didn't do...and filled that need for versatile 2-way centre.

Thats not taking anything away from either player. Strome was a great fit with Panarin, a valued teammate, and a great Ranger. Copp was one of the best deadline additions.

I think we were always so busy as fans wanting Strome to be "this and that", that when we finally go "this and that" we want to resign it and maybe overvalue it. Copp will get $5M+ on the market, but is that what the Rangers should sign him for? Absolutely not...thats the price tag were saying no to Strome for. They're different players yes, but does Copp blow Strome out of the water and warrant that money? No.
 
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HatTrick Swayze said:
If they want to get better overall at 5 on 5, Vatrano is the last guy they should think about signing.

He is good at shooting the puck, that's it. If they want to actually improve at breaking out, entering the zone with possession, establishing a forecheck, etc. he is a net negative.
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Lol you clearly don’t know what you’re watching
 
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Lafreniere showed some edge in the playoffs especially. I feel he could be the physical presence needed on Zibanejads right wing to open up some extra space or take some attention away. He also has more than enough skill to play there.

I originally felt he would be a better fit on the Panarin-??? line because he would be more shoot first, which Panarin needs as a distributor.

Personally I think its a very good thing he can fit on either top 6 line. Expecting a big year from him.

Of course, I think Kakko gets the nod to start the season atleast on whichever line Laffy doesn't. If I'm correct, he had a good run on Zibanejad-Kreider wing prior to injury. Think he fits better there, which leaves Laf the Panarin line.

Under the assumption Turk didn't lie about expecting both to be top6 wings next season.
 
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I really like Copp as a player but I am very wary of locking in to him honestly. You're gonna need to push the term to 6 years at least to keep the cap hit down.

With Chytil progressing and maybe ready for a bigger role, a stop gap like Stastny to be one of our middle 6 centers seems like it would be better from a long term roster building perspective.
 
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Vatrano is not a net negative.

He hustles, is an effective back checker, has tremendous speed and a lethal shot. He lacks the size and physicality and isn’t the greatest carrying the puck on his stick, but there are very few players who are good at everything. Some of you just expect every player to be MacKinnon or they suck.
 
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Glen Sathers Cigar said:
I really like Copp as a player but I am very wary of locking in to him honestly. You're gonna need to push the term to 6 years at least to keep the cap hit down.

With Chytil progressing and maybe ready for a bigger role, a stop gap like Stastny to be one of our middle 6 centers seems like it would be better from a long term roster building perspective.
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Can someone telepathically ensure this is in Drurys head? With our core already making the conference finals, with most at age 28 or younger, and alot between the age of 20-25, we have an extremely unique opportunity to content for 10 years. I don't want, honestly, midde players like Copp extended for 6 years. Young players who may be slight overpay in years 1&2 but end up being sweetheart deals 3-6+, a la Miller Chytil Kakko Laffy, yes please sign me up.

Gotta eventually pay these kids to keep that window open for 10 instead of 5. Don't f*ck it up by panicking and signing Copp for 6 years for money you were afraid to pay Strome. Different players, same calibre, let both walk and fill holes with 1-year vets and strategic players. If you like them, keep them around, ie: Pat Maroon.

Another Tampa example: filled hole with Goodrow, didn't sign him 6 years...who did? Us. Love the player, contract is overpay especially when destined for 4th line
 
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How did Copp go from 53-54% FO man in WPG to 46% with NYR including reg. and playoffs?

Did the Peg shelter him from taking a lot of draws on his weak side or in the Dzone? Is it the Ranger fwds Panarin and Strome not helping out and retrieving the pucks?

I'm also not sold on signing him long term, which sucks. I liked him a lot at first but i don't know now. he seems more like what we have, more of a winger/center hybrid, not that traditional center the Rangers are missing in the 2nd line spot.
 
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Don't know why people insist on just slotting people where they feel makes a nhl2k line. Laffy is our future is is supposed to be our franchise with fox and shesty. He isn't a fan not was he at his best at RW.
50 goals or not I love Kreider he is just a leader he has to lead here for the good of the team he can adapt he needs to move to RW for the good of the franchise. I don't think it will hurt him much especially sonc half or more than half of his goal were on the pp lol where he can go LW.

I've said this plenty you can complete this line up with resigning your guys and using some extra young assets to get maybe a better young asset cost controlled as well.
Copp is best to me as 3rd line center like a gourde type line.

Bread - Zib - Krieder
Laffy - ??? - Kakko/Kravy (depends)
Blais - Copp - Vetrano
Motte - Goodrow - Reaves (play match ups)

Obviously in an ideal world I'd like Forsberg to fill that 2c but can't see that as realistic with resigning our guys so the question remains:
Could you package a Jones or lundquivst with a Chytll or Kravy to get that young center on the mold of Lundell or someone like that.
Do you go for broke and open that spot for Kravy and Trade Kakko plus for that young center?

Side note definitely no to Malkin I so dislike that dude!!!
 
We've talked alot about bringing in a center to act as a hedge in case they give Fil a shot at 2C and he falters. Who are some targets? Either short term UFA deals or trade targets.

We've mentioned Stastny. He'll be 37 early next season.

If boston moves on from Pasta. What about Erik Haula? Just turned 31. 1 more year @ 2.3. Played for GG in Vegas and had a strong season.

Who else?
 
we desperately need a shutdown center. it really sucks we didn't sign Danault last offseason.
 
rangers1314 said:
He preferred LA because they went 6 years. NYR wouldn't go beyond 5.
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Savant said:
Rangers wouldn’t give the extra year.
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Hindsight is 20/20. Drury probably wouldve been killed here for giving the extra year to a guy with so little production. At least the fact that they were in the mix and later traded for a similar player in Copp, shows that the organization knows what the teams needs are.
 
McRanger92 said:
Hindsight is 20/20. Drury probably wouldve been killed here for giving the extra year to a guy with so little production. At least the fact that they were in the mix and later traded for a similar player in Copp, shows that the organization knows what the teams needs are.
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Danault is not similar to Copp. Danault is better than Copp. Extra year was 100% the right move. Of course there would have been haters, but Drury’s job is to not care about them. Danault would have solved most of the Rangers problems and he would have been the best possible center for Kakko. He obviously knew he was the right player, but he chose not to go the extra mile. Now, missing Danault is going to cost the Rangers a lot more than that extra year.
 
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I Eat Crow said:
Their pro and amateur scouting is among the best in the league. Seemingly only they can pull a Ross Colton out of their ass in the 4th round, a Point, Killorn, and Cirelli in the 3rd, and a guy named Palat (jabroni) in the 7th round.

Signing Bellemare and Perry as vet depth were also very shrewd moves. Ryan Getzlaf or Jason Spezza if they didn't retire would have been amazing signings for this Rangers team. C'est la vie.
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I always think it's more development than drafting. Gourde and Johnson being undrafted and turning into what they became is a huge accomplishment by the whole crew in Syracuse.

Same goes for all the guys you mentioned. If their scouting was better, they wouldn't have passed on Kucherov in the 1st round in 2011 ;)
 
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