Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Watch the Florida-Tampa series again. Take out Bennet and put in Schleife — it’s so hard to see that it would have made a difference.

You do know that we're not Florida, right?

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I'm going to say this and then hide:

I would use Chytil as my primary trade chip in order to acquire that top-6 TRUE C.

 

[CLW]

I'm going to say this and then hide:

I would use Chytil as my primary trade chip in order to acquire that top-6 TRUE C.

Cant afford one with Panarin here. Let Fil be a poor man's Roope Hintz with the Rangers. He'll get better at the face offs with time.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Cant afford one with Panarin here. Let Fil be a poor man's Roope Hintz with the Rangers. He'll get better at the face offs with time.

Chytil isn't a C. He has terrible vision and is not a good distributor.

 

[CLW]

Chytil isn't a C. He has terrible vision and is not a good distributor.

He doesn't need good vision if he plays with Laf and Kakko, they've got it in spades. He just needs to work on his shot. They all do. But yeah, if he plays with clods he isn't going to do much.

 

[Synergy27]

Strome is such a tough call for a GM. He's great in the room, and is very good on the PP in his role. Problem is, he really belongs as our 3C. In order to keep him, you'd basically have to ask him to take a pay cut to the $4M range. You can't pay him the 2C money that he wants, because you're not winning anything with him as your 2C.

Strome gets a lot of hate around here, but I'll be sad to see him go. For all his warts, he's been a good teammate, and just an all-around good guy.

The only thing worse than Strome at 2C is Strome in the bottom 6. He does not play a two way game. He’s good, but not great offensively. We have a lot of players like this. We need centers that can mask those deficiencies.

 

[Rangeri]

So people are comfortable giving Copp money and term? Because we are now going to the territory where wrong decisions will have crippling effects. Copp has to play center, stay healthy and be effective or he will be just another Strome.

Copp was good acquisition. It paid already back. No doubt about it. But if he is going to be part of this core, he has to contribute a lot.

We have seen so many times deals turn to bad its not even funny.

I'm more afraid those long contracts you can't get rid of than losing a player, its still always capspace. And there will be a lot of very good players available every year.

 

[Fitzy]

So people are comfortable giving Copp money and term? Because we are now going to the territory where wrong decisions will have crippling effects. Copp has to play center, stay healthy and be effective or he will be just another Strome.

Copp was good acquisition. It paid already back. No doubt about it. But if he is going to be part of this core, he has to contribute a lot.

We have seen so many times deals turn to bad its not even funny.

I'm more afraid those long contracts you can't get rid of than losing a player, its still always capspace. And there will be a lot of very good players available every year.

Copp's strengths are Strome's weaknesses. He's good at faceoffs, goes into dirty areas, is a first choice (not third choice) penalty killer, and scores at a level expected of a defensive 2nd line forward.

Neither are great skaters.

Strome has better vision, and scores a little more, albeit whilst occupying a top PP spot.

I think Copp is the clear and obvious choice for this team and for Panarin. We have a lot of skill on the wings and Panarin needs to play with a guy who will do the hard work. Why not have that be Copp and add another skilled wing/center into the mix?

Panarin-Copp-Kakko or Panarin-Chytil-Copp(Taking faceoffs) are both possibilities.

Laf-Zibby-Kreider
Panarin-Copp-Kakko
???-Chytil-Kravtsov
Blais-Goodrow-Motte

Would be a solid foundation. Question is who slides into that third line.

 

[Vitto79]

So people are comfortable giving Copp money and term? Because we are now going to the territory where wrong decisions will have crippling effects. Copp has to play center, stay healthy and be effective or he will be just another Strome.

Copp was good acquisition. It paid already back. No doubt about it. But if he is going to be part of this core, he has to contribute a lot.

We have seen so many times deals turn to bad its not even funny.

I'm more afraid those long contracts you can't get rid of than losing a player, its still always capspace. And there will be a lot of very good players available every year.

Copp is a guy you win with . He’s not going to hurt you and does everything well

 

[KingDeathMetal]

This all depends on what we can sign Copp and/or Motte for. But assuming we can fit both comfortably...

I'm giving Chytil a chance at 2C to start the season, knowing he can always slide back down. I think he's earned a look.

I also love Laf and Kakko on one line. I think they work well together. Same with Chytil and Kakko.

I'd like to see Gallant try the following two combos...

Panarin-Zib-Kreids
Laf-Copp-Kakko
Krav-Chytil-Goodrow
Motte-Rydahl/Trivigno-Reaves/Blais

Laf-Zib-Kreids
Panarin-Chytil-Kakko
Krav-Copp-Goodrow
Motte-Rydahl/Trivigno-Reaves/Blais

Could also make the Kid Line the permanent second line while moving Panarin up. Lots of possible combos to test.

 

[Raspewtin]

Copp's strengths are Strome's weaknesses. He's good at faceoffs, goes into dirty areas, is a first choice (not third choice) penalty killer, and scores at a level expected of a defensive 2nd line forward.

Neither are great skaters.

Strome has better vision, and scores a little more, albeit whilst occupying a top PP spot.

I think Copp is the clear and obvious choice for this team and for Panarin. We have a lot of skill on the wings and Panarin needs to play with a guy who will do the hard work. Why not have that be Copp and add another skilled wing/center into the mix?

Panarin-Copp-Kakko or Panarin-Chytil-Copp(Taking faceoffs) are both possibilities.

Laf-Zibby-Kreider
Panarin-Copp-Kakko
???-Chytil-Kravtsov
Blais-Goodrow-Motte

Would be a solid foundation. Question is who slides into that third line.

Copp is a good skater. I really think he was injured and that's affecting perception of it.

 

[Fitzy]

Copp is a good skater. I really think he was injured and that's affecting perception of it.

I hope so. I'll admit I don't watch as many games not involving NYR as I used to.

 

[mike14]

Copp is a guy you win with . He’s not going to hurt you and does everything well

I remember Pierre saying this about Ryan Callahan a lot. Turns out neither TBL or the Rangers won with him...
I'm not trying to be a smart-arse, but players aren't guys you 'win with', until you actually win.

Copp is a good player, and should be good here if we can get him at reasonable price, but there's nothing about him that makes him more of a win-with player than at least 50% of the league at any given time

 

[Vitto79]

I remember Pierre saying this about Ryan Callahan a lot. Turns out neither TBL or the Rangers won with him...
I'm not trying to be a smart-arse, but players aren't guys you 'win with', until you actually win.

Copp is a good player, and should be good here if we can get him at reasonable price, but there's nothing about him that makes him more of a win-with player than at least 50% of the league at any given time

He can play all 3 F spots
Pk and PP
Did well w Panarin
Top 6 or be a top 3rd liner
If the kids take a step Goodrow , Copp on a 3rd line is ideal

 

[mike14]

He can play all 3 F spots
Pk and PP
Did well w Panarin
Top 6 or be a top 3rd liner
If the kids take a step Goodrow , Copp on a 3rd line is ideal

I agree with all of that, although for his expected salary him on th 3rd line is going to cause issues elsewhere unless Chytil really grows into his game with consistency..

My only issue is that if we build Copp up to be a 'winner' more than a lot of other guys in the league, we're going to be reading a lot of angst-driven posts about him on here over the next few seasons blaming him for things that really aren't his fault

 

[AirGut]

why do I have the feeling they let Strome & Copp walk and end up trying to get a big name 2C?

 

[mike14]

why do I have the feeling they let Strome & Copp walk and end up trying to get a big name 2C?

Without some other big (and probably destablising) roster moves we really can't can we? The #2C spot can only cost around $6m at absolute max regardless of whether it's Copp, Strome or someone else. 'Big name' players probably aren't signing for that, so even if it's not one of the 2 players here now, it's got to be someone roughly on their level

 

[archanfelnsx]

Not likely at all but Patrice Bergeron would be the perfect 2C for the Rangers. Defensively responsible, great on faceoffs, can put up points, and won’t require a long term commitment. He has already said though that he won’t play anywhere else but Boston.

 

[McRanger92]

Copp's strengths are Strome's weaknesses. He's good at faceoffs, goes into dirty areas, is a first choice (not third choice) penalty killer, and scores at a level expected of a defensive 2nd line forward.

Neither are great skaters.

Strome has better vision, and scores a little more, albeit whilst occupying a top PP spot.

I think Copp is the clear and obvious choice for this team and for Panarin. We have a lot of skill on the wings and Panarin needs to play with a guy who will do the hard work. Why not have that be Copp and add another skilled wing/center into the mix?

Panarin-Copp-Kakko or Panarin-Chytil-Copp(Taking faceoffs) are both possibilities.

Laf-Zibby-Kreider
Panarin-Copp-Kakko
???-Chytil-Kravtsov
Blais-Goodrow-Motte

Would be a solid foundation. Question is who slides into that third line.

I am warming to the idea of Copp, especially with the hope he could give us a small discount. He does a lot of what we aren’t good at and has chemistry with Panarin. If you put a guy who can finish on that line (Laf/Kravtsov) I think that can be a really good second line

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

This whole off-season depends on whether we can clear Nemeth’s cap space and see if we can deal Lundkvist as the centerpiece for a C deal. I don’t think we’re making big money moves, I think we’re gonna roll with Chytil juice as our 2C.

 

[mas0764]

The Hockey Guy on YouTube implied that Copp could be signed for only $4m, presumably as it constitutes a raise and unlikely to be beaten in this cap strapped environment.

 

[DanielBrassard]

The Hockey Guy on YouTube implied that Copp could be signed for only $4m, presumably as it constitutes a raise and unlikely to be beaten in this cap strapped environment.

I doubt that very much.

 

[huerter]

The Hockey Guy on YouTube implied that Copp could be signed for only $4m, presumably as it constitutes a raise and unlikely to be beaten in this cap strapped environment.

Which one? The well-groomed, well-groomed one?

 

[NYR Viper]

The Rangers may have a good opportunity to sign a couple of veterans who may be let go or bought out for scraps. I wonder if Vlasic is bought out in San Jose and I also wonder about someone like Nick Foligno in Boston who underwhelmed big time.

 

[Jettany]

Copp's strengths are Strome's weaknesses. He's good at faceoffs, goes into dirty areas, is a first choice (not third choice) penalty killer, and scores at a level expected of a defensive 2nd line forward.

Neither are great skaters.

Strome has better vision, and scores a little more, albeit whilst occupying a top PP spot.

I think Copp is the clear and obvious choice for this team and for Panarin. We have a lot of skill on the wings and Panarin needs to play with a guy who will do the hard work. Why not have that be Copp and add another skilled wing/center into the mix?

Panarin-Copp-Kakko or Panarin-Chytil-Copp(Taking faceoffs) are both possibilities.

Laf-Zibby-Kreider
Panarin-Copp-Kakko
???-Chytil-Kravtsov
Blais-Goodrow-Motte

Would be a solid foundation. Question is who slides into that third line.

I think the real question is how do you make this happen with the cap? That’s what becomes tricky.