Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

[mas0764]

I think most people define a rental as less than a season remaining on the contract.

My definition is an expensive acquisition that’s not a long term piece. Miller having one extra year matters not much.

 

[Thirty One]

I think most people define a rental as less than a season remaining on the contract.

I used to get 7 rentals for 7 days for only $7. Simpler times.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

It is possible for a "rental" to become a "long-term" piece (depending on how you define "long-term") if you can make the extension fit.

Look at McDonagh with Tampa, even if Howden/Hajek had become a 3rd line C and/or a 2nd pairing D, I doubt they mind giving that up for what they got out of McDonagh. Coming up on 5 playoff runs with him as a key contributor on D including playing a huge role in their Cup wins.

Understand any skepticism RE the NYR being able to identify the right player and get them signed to the right deal...but for the right player in the right contention window, it can make sense.

The main problem the NYR seem to consistently run into (during the last window particularly) is not having the cap flexibility to pull something like this off. They almost always spend right to the cap and allocate future dollars before new deals are even signed...they are not great at signing really good contracts generally that allow for this type of mid-term flexibility.

 

[Fitzy]

The question about extensions then becomes- if you are going to sign the player at the market clearing rate, why not just wait until guys come available in unrestricted free agency?

NYR isn't a team that has problems winning free agents for non financial reasons. This isn't Edmonton or Buffalo where you have to overpay for the location.

How do we know whether Malkin or Kane dreamed of finishing their careers in New York? We don't

 

[pld459666]

I've been reading this board for 7 years, posting here for 6 & I can't recall one time Edge has predicted a trade correctly before it happened. Can you? Maybe I'm wrong & not recalling correctly & maybe he did before I showed up here, but he usually shares information after the fact, when nothing can be confirmed or denied. Please cite an example & I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong, but the fact that you continue to place all your eggs in that basket seems really odd to me. You're becoming Ed Jovonoski level of annoying with this.

While @Edge is more than capable enough of defending his own reputation, but if you go back to early 2021, he was warning the masses that Buchnevich return was going to be underwhelming to the majority of the fan base, but that it would be targeting a certain TYPE of player.

Considering most of these conversations are usuly very fluid until the trade papers are actually filed, I'd say that he nailed that trade.

For every transaction that actually happens, there are probably a dozen variations of that conversation and that same scenario probably takes place with a dozen other teams that bear no fruit.

Shit is bound to get leaked and while it may seem like BS to some, the logic that is added to the information provided by Edge is sound.

 

[Paul Padovano]

I used to get 7 rentals for 7 days for only $7. Simpler times.

I too, was alive during the days of the local video store

 

[romba]

Problem with rentals is their skill can be helpful, but learning new system, location, linemates etc. takes time and tends to negate the positives. It happens, but more often than not the rental is either not a positive impact, or not nearly the impact that the team was expecting. Even Trouba, for example, took a couple of seasons to gel and fit into his role here. Expecting a guy to be fully in-form 1.5 months after being traded makes it dicey.

 

[romba]

I too, was alive during the days of the local video store

Yes, along with a shady backroom blocked by a gross curtain and half burnt out neon sign above it indicating something beyond my 9 year old understanding

 

[thethirdhockeyman91]

I'm not really a rental person, and I know not too many people would be on board, but if the deal is right, I'd take Kessel for two reasons. Like Goodrow, he's a got a few championships under his belt. The other thing is I'm afraid the pressure might be a bit too much for the younger guys, and I'd rather have him at right wing/top line come playoff time over Laf. This is if we couldn't get Smith from Vegas.

Phil would be more than welcome here, but I don't think Phil wants the bright lights on Broadway. The Hot Dogs might be to good to pass on though

 

[pld459666]

Phil would be more than welcome here, but I don't think Phil wants the bright lights on Broadway. The Hot Dogs might be to good to pass on though

Thanks, but I've been here for a while already.

And as I see it now, my 20 year HF anniversary is just around the corner

 

[Boris Zubov]

While @Edge is more than capable enough of defending his own reputation, but if you go back to early 2021, he was warning the masses that Buchnevich return was going to be underwhelming to the majority of the fan base, but that it would be targeting a certain TYPE of player.

Considering most of these conversations are usuly very fluid until the trade papers are actually filed, I'd say that he nailed that trade.

For every transaction that actually happens, there are probably a dozen variations of that conversation and that same scenario probably takes place with a dozen other teams that bear no fruit.

Shit is bound to get leaked and while it may seem like BS to some, the logic that is added to the information provided by Edge is sound.

Yes he said the Buch deal would be underwhelming, but there's a poster that has latched on to two specific deals that Edge mentioned that seem suspect at best, bullshit at worst. And I don't think Edge is bullshitting, but I think his source was given bad info or simply had it wrong when no legitimate sources anywhere else has even hinted those deals were even discussed. I'd also question how much access he still has when the front office was basically turned over with a new staff.

However, my response was less about Edge & more about not blindly following an anonymous poster on a hockey forum to the point where you can't have a productive conversation. I appreciate the insight that Edge shares with his posts & I wasn't questioning his integrity. I just don't think the info he receives is gospel nor should it be parroted over & over when the outcome will never change.

 

[Savant]

Summed it up exactly. Thank you! Kravtsov wants to be treated like a player that has proven a lot more than he has.

That can’t actually be your takeaway from that. You think Tarasenko isn’t going on strike if he was making AHL salary?

 

[McRanger92]

2 top 9 forwards (1 who can play in the top 6) and potentially 1 more defenseman to pair with Schneider is what this years team needs to reach its ceiling. Especially if Gallant commits to the kids in the top 6. The Rangers have the talent, they just need to acquire guys who fill roles, and it’s a buyers market, so hopefully prices stay reasonable

 

[Thirty One]

That can’t actually be your takeaway from that. You think Tarasenko isn’t going on strike if he was making AHL salary?

He would take off and leave for sure. Do you not think it's reasonable for a player with 482 career points to act differently than a player with 4?

 

[Paul Padovano]

Phil would be more than welcome here, but I don't think Phil wants the bright lights on Broadway. The Hot Dogs might be to good to pass on though

Well, I can't say that I blame him, I do enjoy a good hot dog, but has Phil indicated that he's not a NYC type of person?

Yes, along with a shady backroom blocked by a gross curtain and half burnt out neon sign above it indicating something beyond my 9 year old understanding

lol...yes, those were the 1980's!!

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

The question about extensions then becomes- if you are going to sign the player at the market clearing rate, why not just wait until guys come available in unrestricted free agency?

NYR isn't a team that has problems winning free agents for non financial reasons. This isn't Edmonton or Buffalo where you have to overpay for the location.

How do we know whether Malkin or Kane dreamed of finishing their careers in New York? We don't

I see the assets given up as kind of an option premium to see how a player fits a team/coach and how a team fits a player/family before deciding to commit to a UFA deal.

Also, theoretically, it should be possible, if the fit is good for both parties, to come in with an early contract offer below the market-clearing rate when every team has a chance to bid.

 

[Savant]

He would take off and leave for sure. Do you not think it's reasonable for a player with 482 career points to act differently than a player with 4?

I think it goes both ways. I think if Kravtsov was at the minimum getting NHL money he would have had a better attitude about it. It’s a big difference between NHL deal and AHL deal. Especially when he knows he can get paid in KHL. We all like to think money isn’t everything, but it absolutely matters.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I think it goes both ways. I think if Kravtsov was at the minimum getting NHL money he would have had a better attitude about it. It’s a big difference between NHL deal and AHL deal. Especially when he knows he can get paid in KHL. We all like to think money isn’t everything, but it absolutely matters.

Especially when the first time he “quit” on the team he was simply exercising a mutually agreed upon clause in his contract. I don’t think anyone on this forum would’ve done differently in his shoes.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Yes he said the Buch deal would be underwhelming, but there's a poster that has latched on to two specific deals that Edge mentioned that seem suspect at best, bullshit at worst. And I don't think Edge is bullshitting, but I think his source was given bad info or simply had it wrong when no legitimate sources anywhere else has even hinted those deals were even discussed. I'd also question how much access he still has when the front office was basically turned over with a new staff.

However, my response was less about Edge & more about not blindly following an anonymous poster on a hockey forum to the point where you can't have a productive conversation. I appreciate the insight that Edge shares with his posts & I wasn't questioning his integrity. I just don't think the info he receives is gospel nor should it be parroted over & over when the outcome will never change.

What makes it seem suspect? Drury and the org clearly had a goal of adding grit and truculence this offseason, taking a lesser "value" package on the Buch trade would fit right in with that. And the fact that other sources didn't have it doesn't mean a ton to me...first of all we know the NYR front office has been running a tight ship. Second of all, guys like Larry and Carp/Staple who depend on access for clicks might hesitate to drop such a bombshell that might make the new GM look back weeks into his tenure when they were still building relationships.

 

[Boris Zubov]

What makes it seem suspect? Drury and the org clearly had a goal of adding grit and truculence this offseason, taking a lesser "value" package on the Buch trade would fit right in with that. And the fact that other sources didn't have it doesn't mean a ton to me...first of all we know the NYR front office has been running a tight ship. Second of all, guys like Larry and Carp/Staple who depend on access for clicks might hesitate to drop such a bombshell that might make the new GM look back weeks into his tenure when they were still building relationships.

I'm referring to the dude who non stop posts about the Kreider for Robertson/1st & Buch for Kupari/1st deals that Edge mentioned. I'm suspect on those, not the actual return for Buch.

Drury is an idiot if he turned down that Kings offer, which makes me believe it wasn't real.

 

[rangers1314]

Friedman & Marek touched on NYR today.

Friedman again says NYR are looking to do something big. They are again revisiting teams on VK.

"Jim Dolan made a change last year because he lost patience. They are good this year. They have a goalie covering up a lot of their mistakes, but Drury knows the owner is impatient. They are looking at things."

 

[Thirty One]

Friedman & Marek touched on NYR today.

Friedman again says NYR are looking to do something big. They are again revisiting teams on VK.

"Jim Dolan made a change last year because he lost patience. They are good this year. They have a goalie covering up a lot of their mistakes, but Drury knows the owner is impatient. They are looking at things."

They once again dropped the podcast immediately after my walk to work.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Friedman & Marek touched on NYR today.

Friedman again says NYR are looking to do something big. They are again revisiting teams on VK.

"Jim Dolan made a change last year because he lost patience. They are good this year. They have a goalie covering up a lot of their mistakes, but Drury knows the owner is impatient. They are looking at things."

As they should be.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I was speaking to the comment that we needed a better 2C. If you don’t think we need that my response was moot. I DO think we should upgrade (even if we keep Strome and move him to wing), but I don’t think he’s awful at C like some.
My bottom line is that I don’t think we should be spending big on short term solutions. At 2C nor any other position. Just my take.

Definitely agree with not spending big on short term guys.

 

[rangers1314]

They once again dropped the podcast immediately after my walk to work.

Start going to work later. No one likes a "go geter"