Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

[bhamill]

We need a good 2C to improve our 5 on 5 play. hOw do we get that?

“we need a good 2C that will be here more than one or two years, how do we get that?”
is the right question IMO. I’m not against trading assets for a position of need. I’m against trading prime assets for a RENTAL, POSITION OF NEED OR NOT.

 

[rangers1314]

NHL Rumor Mill – February 4, 2022 | Spectors Hockey

Note to other players, that's how professionals handle a trade request.

 

[DialUp]

My hope here is that if something is done at the deadline or before (ideally before, but some teams need to know where they stand) it's in an effort to ensure that we at least don't get swept in the 1st round. We aren't winning the cup this year, but if you don't have to send out Gautier, Hunt, McKegg, Nemeth/Hajek and even Chytil then don't do it.

But, as much as I dislike Chytil's game and think that his brain is smoothed out tin foil, trading him is still a risky move.

 

[Boris Zubov]

And yet there ARE doubts. Here and around the league.
It’s nice you have such confidence, but I don’t share it. I love this team. I think in 2 years or so it’s going to be a perennial contender with a much better shot at winning it all multiple times, while keeping the pipeline of contributing ELC players…
Unless we empty the cupboards for a half assed (IMO) run at The Cup THIS year.
Now I don’t expect to change you perspective any more than you should expect people to not have doubts, this is just MY view on it.

I'm curious what emptying the cupboards means to you. A deal that includes Chytil, Kravtsov & a 1st, or Nils, Krav & a 1st for JT Miller or Jacob Chycrun is off limits? One of those kids looks lost & his development has stalled, the other is likely never going to play for this franchise & a 1st rounder is a late 20s pick this year. In Nils case, he plays a position that we don't have a spot for him, so why not take advantage of his value while it's still high.

 

[Avery16]

Note to other players, that's how professionals handle a trade request.

Also an example to other orgs and GMs.

 

[Kovalev27]

If LA offered Kupari and a first for Buch they would have made the trade. Honestly based on the first rounder alone.

however I do know Drury wanted Blais more than anything he saw a lot of potential there

 

[bhamill]

I'm curious what emptying the cupboards means to you. A deal that includes Chytil, Kravtsov & a 1st, or Nils, Krav & a 1st for JT Miller or Jacob Chycrun is off limits? One of those kids looks lost & his development has stalled, the other is likely never going to play for this franchise & a 1st rounder is a late 20s pick this year. In Nils case, he plays a position that we don't have a spot for him, so why not take advantage of his value while it's still high.

Chycrun isn’t a rental. I’m anti-rental. Though I think he is an upgrade NOT a need.
JT is kind of in between. He’d be there for two post seasons. I think the deal would bite this team on the nutsack in two years. And I’m not of the opinion that Miller gets us a cup. Do you really think JT is the difference between winning a cup or not? If so we disagree.
Neither thing you proposed would in and of itself empty the cupboard. It’s the combos people are posting: “ go get Miller, Giordano, Garland, Smith and etc...” yeah we’d be pretty devoid of prospects and high draft picks after that. And in two years have nothing to show for it. Including probably no cup.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Bozo still sucks

 

[HonestGabe]

If LA offered Kupari and a first for Buch they would have made the trade. Honestly based on the first rounder alone.

however I do know Drury wanted Blais more than anything he saw a lot of potential there

Blais may not have been the best target in a Buch trade but I think he would certainly make an impact if healthy. A 3rd line with Blais Goodrow Chytil could bring a good mix of size and skill.

While it sucks he's injured I wonder if his new deal may actually come lower than his QO.

 

[haveandare]

I would say the opposite. Those guys don't move the needle. It's a waste of resources to trade for them. Trading something significant for Miller/Pavelski etc. can actually improve the team in a significant way.

Disagree. Keeping hunt in a checking role for example so a more offensively inclined RW can play in the top 9 and replacing Nemeth with someone more reliable and competent would help a ton.

 

[Savant]

Note to other players, that's how professionals handle a trade request.

Is this a Tarasenko to Kravtsov comparison? Because if so that is dense.

 

[LokiDog]

Looking around the league at cap situations, the two most realistic targets are probably Cirelli and Scheifele.

Cirelli makes 4.8M which is Strome’s current cap hit. Scheifele makes 6.5M, which is less than Strome likely signs for. Both have two additional years after this one.

Scheifele is pretty offensively comparable to Strome but better in the dot and more of a true center. He could also see a resurgence in a new organization because Winnipeg has become a bit of a mess. Cirelli may be less productive than Strome (pacing for 56 this year) but is clearly a superior player and center overall.

Most other options are pipe dreams. Larkin isn’t getting moved. Dubois is likely to stay in Winnipeg and will get more than Scheifele makes. Calgary isn’t moving Lindholm. Etc.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

If LA offered Kupari and a first for Buch they would have made the trade. Honestly based on the first rounder alone.

however I do know Drury wanted Blais more than anything he saw a lot of potential there

I don't think there's any way Drury, or an GM, turns that deal down.

 

[Cag29]

I wanted the NYR to chase JT Miller. I've since cooled on the idea. It isn't worth it. If this team was TB or Florida, sure, but they aren't there yet, and they should not be trading Othmann and/or Schneider for a guy that will be here 1.5 years. No way. Save the assets, continue to draft well, and go for it in a year or two when guys like Kakko, Laf, Schneider, Miller, etc., have matured. This team can easily bring in a guy like Reilly Smith, a fourth-line faceoff guy, etc. I'd rather just play Jones with Schneider as opposed to purchasing another depth defender. Nemeth can be the seven, while Hajek goes down to Hartford or is claimed. If you are Drury and nobody wants him for even a fourth, what makes you think he's any good?

Keep building with affordable youth.
I’ve also warmed on resigning Strome.
He’s a good player. He plays great with Bread.
If you can get him at a reasonable price I think we should do it. Grass isn’t always greener.

 

[FUZfan]

The biq question mark to me is the future of Kravtsov. I'm in the camp of not giving up any major prospects or assets for rentals. This team is going to make the playoffs and that experience is going to be huge for their future. The playoff experience will also highlight there weaknesses when it comes to playing post season hockey. But if Drury and or Gallant have come to the conclusion that Kravtsov will never wear a NYR sweater, then you move him in a deal if you can get the right price. His value has got to be debatable though, given his history.

 

[rangers1314]

Is this a Tarasenko to Kravtsov comparison? Because if so that is dense.

It is and its not.

Make your feelings known that you want a move then go out and play.

 

[Ola]

As long as they skate hunched over it’s fine

I think it will be really hard for any team to compete in the POs if they have a bunch of bigger centers. The team with by far the smallest group of centers in the NHL have won the cup the last two years, its obvious that they just skate the bigger Cs into the ground with how the game is currently played.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

We'd have an opportunity at 2 deep playoff runs with Miller, then in the '23 season when he leaves, you hope Laf and Kakko are much further along in their development in year's 4 and 5 of their NHL careers. In '24 you need to trade off Kreider and/or Trouba to fit everyone under the cap.

The people that don't want to make a significant move to make a run at the cup with this group ignore our future cap situation and pretend that trading away a couple futures will ruin the future. What about the benefit the current young rangers get from playing with PPG veteran linemates and getting deep playoff experience?

What is it that you expect to get out of a late first round pick, Lundkvist, and Kravtsov? How do they fit into the future? Who are the players you would target, and why would other teams give them up?

I’ve stated this before that there are many of our fellow Hfers that are deep into the weeds on the upcoming draft and way more qualified to give a better answer on this than me but I started learning about that part of hockey last year and continuing again this year and from what I’ve gleaned is that in the 1st and 2nd round of the 2022 draft there will be promising Centers available. A definite need for our team.
This is going to be a buyer’s market where we can have our cake and eat it to.
Let Drury do other G.M.’s a favor for a price by picking up serviceable veterans on expiring contracts along with picks and or prospects. We can then shore up our future needs while all along teaching our youth by example what it takes to succeed in the NHL playoffs.
Reilly Smith, great idea but let’s remember who is doing who the favor here. Vegas needs to shed cap space along with several other contending teams. If we lose out on him let Drury make a pitch for a similar asset.

 

[rangersfansince08]

I’ve stated this before that there are many of our fellow Hfers that are deep into the weeds on the upcoming draft and way more qualified to give a better answer on this than me but I started learning about that part of hockey last year and continuing again this year and from what I’ve gleaned is that in the 1st and 2nd round of the 2022 draft there will be promising Centers available. A definite need for our team.
This is going to be a buyer’s market where we can have our cake and eat it to.
Let Drury do other G.M.’s a favor for a price by picking up serviceable veterans on expiring contracts along with picks and or prospects. We can then shore up our future needs while all along teaching our youth by example what it takes to succeed in the NHL playoffs.
Reilly Smith, great idea but let’s remember who is doing who the favor here. Vegas needs to shed cap space along with several other contending teams. If we lose out on him let Drury make a pitch for a similar asset.

If we keep our picks I would take a center with all three picks.

 

[NYRKing]

Blais may not have been the best target in a Buch trade but I think he would certainly make an impact if healthy. A 3rd line with Blais Goodrow Chytil could bring a good mix of size and skill.

While it sucks he's injured I wonder if his new deal may actually come lower than his QO.

Yes. People don’t realize how big of a loss this is. I hope there’s a chance he returns for the playoffs.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I wouldn’t move much of anything of substance for pure rentals. This team has got best badly by most of the good teams they played - this isn’t the year to use our finite resources on a playoff push

If you can get Reilly, lekhonen, or Giordano for cheap, I’m all for shoring up glaring weaknesses to see how far they can push it, but stuff like Miller, Pavelski, etc is not wise

Totally agree, let’s get some reinforcements at low prices. It’s turning out to be a buyers market. I don’t think we’re solving any 2022/3 problems this deadline. My ideal looks like the below - all expiring contracts
Smith - I don’t think he’ll be expensive. VGK need space and there’s very limited destinations. We can absorb cap, give them moderate futures and they solve a problem. GG is a plus
4th liner - I think we need a guy that typically plays 3rd line on a weaker team and shore up our 4th line. A guy who can play both C and W would be nice. We can bump Hunt or Reeves if we need to or rotate. I like Larsson from Arizona, he may also be resignable
Another 5-6D - we need a solid vet who can play either side in case Nemeth sucks or Schneider isn’t ready. DeHaan should come cheaply and maybe even move up if Miller shits himself. Thusly:
CK MZ Laf
Pan Strome KK
Good Chytil Smith
Rooney Larsson Reaves/Hunt

Lind Fox
Miller Trouba
DeHaan Schieder
Nemeth

we solve next year problems by using Chytil, Lundk, Georgie, Krat, Robertson, etc

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

“we need a good 2C that will be here more than one or two years, how do we get that?”
is the right question IMO. I’m not against trading assets for a position of need. I’m against trading prime assets for a RENTAL, POSITION OF NEED OR NOT.

They have their 2c in Strome. I don't do fancy stats but are we certain he's the reason the team struggles at 5x5?

 

[MrAlmost]

Looking around the league at cap situations, the two most realistic targets are probably Cirelli and Scheifele.

Cirelli makes 4.8M which is Strome’s current cap hit. Scheifele makes 6.5M, which is less than Strome likely signs for. Both have two additional years after this one.

Scheifele is pretty offensively comparable to Strome but better in the dot and more of a true center. He could also see a resurgence in a new organization because Winnipeg has become a bit of a mess. Cirelli may be less productive than Strome (pacing for 56 this year) but is clearly a superior player and center overall.

Most other options are pipe dreams. Larkin isn’t getting moved. Dubois is likely to stay in Winnipeg and will get more than Scheifele makes. Calgary isn’t moving Lindholm. Etc.

People need to let those guys go. It ain't happening.

 

[SA16]

With how well the Avalanche have played without MacKinnon this year, and with only a year left on his deal, I wonder what we would have to offer them to try and pry him out of there. Laf and Kakko would of course be off the table but maybe a package around Nils, Kravtsov, and Chytil? Kadri has shown he's ready to take over the 1C job, Rantanen performed well when filling in at C, and they have to make room for Newhook to get a spot in the top 6.

 

[DialUp]

With how well the Avalanche have played without MacKinnon this year, and with only a year left on his deal, I wonder what we would have to offer them to try and pry him out of there. Laf and Kakko would of course be off the table but maybe a package around Nils, Kravtsov, and Chytil? Kadri has shown he's ready to take over the 1C job, Rantanen performed well when filling in at C, and they have to make room for Newhook to get a spot in the top 6.

We wanted it hot, and we got it.