Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXV

[LORDE]

Surely. But with a Marner - for arguments sake- the team probably is in the playoffs. At least after that first year. The picks probably aren't that high. It's all debatable, of course.

True, but again... getting in the playoffs and building a true contender are two very different things. We were certainly on the downswing after the Pens blew us out 4 years ago. Adding Marner there doesn't get us a cup IMO

 

[egelband]

True, but again... getting in the playoffs and building a true contender are two very different things. We were certainly on the downswing after the Pens blew us out 4 years ago. Adding Marner there doesn't get us a cup IMO

I was just talking about the cost of getting Marner. Which in my construct would be like four picks ranging from around 15 next year and getting worse onward.
Certainly more would have to be done to turn the team into a contender.

 

[NYR Viper]

People are talking about offer sheeting Marner. That the Rangers next (4) 1st rounders. That's insane.

I'd be VERY interested to know if Eichel would want out of Buffalo and if so, what the cost would be. That relationship has been strained wince the Sabres were publicly pissed they didn't win the lottery and get Connor McDavid.

Having him and Zibanejad down the middle would be a scary 1-2 punch.

Theoretically, assuming the Rangers 1st is off the table and Zibanejad is a well. What would it take

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

People are talking about offer sheeting Marner. That the Rangers next (4) 1st rounders. That's insane.

I'd be VERY interested to know if Eichel would want out of Buffalo and if so, what the cost would be. That relationship has been strained wince the Sabres were publicly pissed they didn't win the lottery and got Connor McDavid.

Having him and Zibanejad down the middle would be a scary 1-2 punch.

Theoretically, assuming the Rangers 1st is off the table and Zibanejad is a well. What would it take

They’re a team that’s trying to ramp up toward the playoffs, not continue to rebuild, so I can’t see it not including Zibanejad and then probably a significant plus

 

[TheBloodyNine]

People are talking about offer sheeting Marner. That the Rangers next (4) 1st rounders. That's insane.

I'd be VERY interested to know if Eichel would want out of Buffalo and if so, what the cost would be. That relationship has been strained wince the Sabres were publicly pissed they didn't win the lottery and get Connor McDavid.

Having him and Zibanejad down the middle would be a scary 1-2 punch.

Theoretically, assuming the Rangers 1st is off the table and Zibanejad is a well. What would it take

Wait a year. See what we get out of the next 2 drafts. Eichel isn’t going to be traded anytime soon so there’s time.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

The Rangers have no incentive to bid against themselves. Fox is a nice player but there’s no guarantee he will become a legit top 4 D.

The Rangers would probably give up a 2nd for Fox.

Waddell continues to be one of the worst GMs in NHL history. I’d give up Dallas’ 2nd for him but I’m not giving up ours.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Carolina is going to lose Fox for nothing huh?

 

[Kovalev27]

They can deal his rights next summer. I wouldn’t do any favors for this kid if I were Carolina. Think about it if it were someone doing it to us. Would you trade him in the division a year early for a 3rd round pick? No way

We can wait a year there’s no rush for us.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Waddell continues to be one of the worst GMs in NHL history. I’d give up Dallas’ 2nd for him but I’m not giving up ours.

Eh, don't give up conditional picks

 

[Edge]

Personally, I'm not interested in moving any picks from this draft until I know what I have.

There's too many variables at stake, and a pretty broad range in which the picks can fall.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Personally, I'm not interested in moving any picks from this draft until I know what I have.

There's too many variables at stake, and a pretty broad range in which the picks can fall.

Same, if I was going to trade one of the conditional picks for this year, it’s going to be after I know the condition hasn’t been met

 

[Edge]

Same, if I was going to trade one of the conditional picks for this year, it’s going to be after I know the condition hasn’t been met

And I'm also of the mindset of not shifting Carolina's pressure to us.

They're the ones for whom the clock is ticking, not us.

 

[True Blue]

Same, if I was going to trade one of the conditional picks for this year, it’s going to be after I know the condition hasn’t been met

Agreed. First determine where all picks slot in. Only then can an educated decision be made.

 

[Off Sides]

Moving out 1sts which could end up lottery picks, perhaps even those with the best odds of turning into the 1st overall is probably best left to Ottawa.

 

[RGY]

2020 3rd round pick for Fox. Thats the offer and if they dont like it then wait them out.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Eh, don't give up conditional picks

No I mean if it actually was a 2nd and not the 1st then I would give it up at the draft.

 

[JimmyG89]

No rush to trade for Fox. We're not at a stage where we are going from bottom of the league to playoff team by trading for him.

Now, if we make moves to the point where that is possible, a trade for Fox makes more sense. I don't see a scenario where we are a playoff team next year, unless we see significant progress from the young players here and coming over. At least one more year before I can see this group being in the playoff discussion.

 

[SA16]

No I mean if it actually was a 2nd and not the 1st then I would give it up at the draft.

It doesn't matter. You can just trade the pick with the condition if it becomes a first they get something else.

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers have 2 1st rounders so far in this draft. Say TB wins the Cup. Dallas doesn’t advance to the WCF. The Rangers have 3 first rounders. Their 2nd and the Stars 2nd. Five picks in the first 47.

Dallas re-signs Zuccarello and the Rangers get the Stars first round pick in 2020. Jim Nill is a big Zuccarello fan. He has played well for them in his 4 periods for the Stars.

The Rangers determine they will not be re-signing Kreider. Trade him for 1st in 2019 before the draft or trade him for 2020 on the 2nd day of the draft or the week in between the draft and July 1?

Three first round picks in 2019 and three first round picks in 2020. Hopefully, the Stars will have an awful 2019-20 season and that pick becomes a lottery pick. There are no conditions on that pick. The Rangers will have two high first round picks in 2020 under that scenario.

Kreider for a 1st in 2019 or 2020?

Dallas needs one point to clinch the first wildcard and they will play the central division winner. Nashville. Winnipeg. St. Louis. Dallas could come out of that division. Not impossible. Need a healthy Bishop. Nashville is in the drivers seat to win the division. No Winnipeg coming out of the division.

 

[Thirty One]

The Rangers have 2 1st rounders so far in this draft. Say TB wins the Cup. Dallas doesn’t advance to the WCF. The Rangers have 3 first rounders. Their 2nd and the Stars 2nd. Five picks in the first 47.

Dallas re-signs Zuccarello and the Rangers get the Stars first round pick in 2020. Jim Nill is a big Zuccarello fan. He has played well for them in his 4 periods for the Stars.

The Rangers determine they will not be re-signing Kreider. Trade him for 1st in 2019 before the draft or trade him for 2020 on the 2nd day of the draft or the week in between the draft and July 1?

Three first round picks in 2019 and three first round picks in 2020. Hopefully, the Stars will have an awful 2019-20 season and that pick becomes a lottery pick. There are no conditions on that pick. The Rangers will have two high first round picks in 2020 under that scenario.

Kreider for a 1st in 2019 or 2020?

Dallas needs one point to clinch the first wildcard and they will play the central division winner. Nashville. Winnipeg. St. Louis. Dallas could come out of that division. Not impossible. Need a healthy Bishop. Nashville is in the drivers seat to win the division. No Winnipeg coming out of the division.

Big money! Big money! No Whammies!

 

[Tawnos]

No rush to trade for Fox. We're not at a stage where we are going from bottom of the league to playoff team by trading for him.

Now, if we make moves to the point where that is possible, a trade for Fox makes more sense. I don't see a scenario where we are a playoff team next year, unless we see significant progress from the young players here and coming over. At least one more year before I can see this group being in the playoff discussion.

The reason you trade for him isn't to improve your team next season, but to improve the player's development arc. If he doesn't have anything left to learn at the NCAA level, which is likely, then him staying there next year does nothing for him, where turning pro would give him that extra year of learning at the pro level.

Think of it this way... if Kevin Hayes had turned pro a year earlier, he might have become the player he's become a year earlier. And then you have that player under team control for an extra season. To me, that's easily worth a mid-to-late 2nd.

 

[Tawnos]

The Rangers have 2 1st rounders so far in this draft. Say TB wins the Cup. Dallas doesn’t advance to the WCF. The Rangers have 3 first rounders. Their 2nd and the Stars 2nd. Five picks in the first 47.

Dallas re-signs Zuccarello and the Rangers get the Stars first round pick in 2020. Jim Nill is a big Zuccarello fan. He has played well for them in his 4 periods for the Stars.

The Rangers determine they will not be re-signing Kreider. Trade him for 1st in 2019 before the draft or trade him for 2020 on the 2nd day of the draft or the week in between the draft and July 1?

Three first round picks in 2019 and three first round picks in 2020. Hopefully, the Stars will have an awful 2019-20 season and that pick becomes a lottery pick. There are no conditions on that pick. The Rangers will have two high first round picks in 2020 under that scenario.

Kreider for a 1st in 2019 or 2020?

Dallas needs one point to clinch the first wildcard and they will play the central division winner. Nashville. Winnipeg. St. Louis. Dallas could come out of that division. Not impossible. Need a healthy Bishop. Nashville is in the drivers seat to win the division. No Winnipeg coming out of the division.

I'd rather they get the second wild card. Calgary, to me, is a paper tiger. It would be their best shot of getting out the first round.

 

[JimmyG89]

The reason you trade for him isn't to improve your team next season, but to improve the player's development arc. If he doesn't have anything left to learn at the NCAA level, which is likely, then him staying there next year does nothing for him, where turning pro would give him that extra year of learning at the pro level.

Think of it this way... if Kevin Hayes had turned pro a year earlier, he might have become the player he's become a year earlier. And then you have that player under team control for an extra season. To me, that's easily worth a mid-to-late 2nd.

Definitely understand this side of things, just that while we have had a ton of draft capital in the past two drafts, we can for sure use all the picks we have now. I'd like to take another swing in round 2 over getting Fox 12 months earlier. If they did make the move, I wouldn't be opposed to it, but it should be a low #2.

I'd rather they get the second wild card. Calgary, to me, is a paper tiger. It would be their best shot of getting out the first round.

They need to avoid St. Louis. That's the only central team that is scary. Stay out of the Pacific, because I believe the Sharks/Knights winner is going to the finals either way. Their best shot is to remain in their division and hope St. Louis gets knocked out by Nashville or Winnipeg.

 

[Ola]

The conditions of these picks will be known soon enough, no incentive to rush and make any trades before we know what we have.

If we, for example, get Hughes, things do change a lot. Maybe not in terms of aims for next season, but to provide him with sufficient support on his line and so forth.

I like RBs proposals above, keep adding those 1st round picks. Manage the cap as well as you can. Expansion is coming.

Furthermore, kids are good in this league, many vets aren’t. There are plenty of vet teams at the bottom of the standings. LAK, ANA, Chicago and Minnesota — for example. The group we have no have no incentive to show up, the coach is obviously paying attention to giving kids ice time etc, still they have shown that they can play.

MTL was expected to be a bottom 6 team this season, they challenged for a PO spot.

Even if we are selling and not buying, if we do a good jobb developing the kids, get the right kids, make sure that we have a durable and assertive team — we will still compete.

Looking at the roster we have no, many players should be better next year than what they were this season. Buch, Chytil, Lemieux, Lias, Howden, Skjei (first year with a substantial role), TDA, Pionk, and so forth. Why not mention Boo, Vinny L and co top.

I am all for being patient with kids, but everyone are different. Kravtsov is different than many, he has the wheels and engine to function really well in a winger role anywhere in the hockey world. He — will — be ready from the Camp. And with his talent, he could be ready for a little bigger role sooner rather than later. Even if he of course will need time to adjust.

 

[Ola]

The reason you trade for him isn't to improve your team next season, but to improve the player's development arc. If he doesn't have anything left to learn at the NCAA level, which is likely, then him staying there next year does nothing for him, where turning pro would give him that extra year of learning at the pro level.

Think of it this way... if Kevin Hayes had turned pro a year earlier, he might have become the player he's become a year earlier. And then you have that player under team control for an extra season. To me, that's easily worth a mid-to-late 2nd.

Yeah, and a bird in the hand is worth more than ten in the woods (or whatever the saying is).

There is a transaction risk here. We also want to establish a blueline that can play and support the kids infront of them when they are ready to come in. Shatty is not part of that equation — at all. Dump him ASAP, get Fox here. It’s certainly with a 2nd.

But if it can be done at a cheaper rate, great.