Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXIII - 2 months until TDL

[CLW]

Carolina is a better team than the Rangers, I think we all see that, the people that don't see that, are either blind or homers.

I think what we saw last night was a Rangers team that wasn't equipped to play a team of that quality and style.

Rangers are a perimeter team, they don't attack the front of the net, looking for rebounds, deflections, screens, etc...we're a rush team, looking for pretty goals, that's why we're a one and done team. That style is easy to defend and doesn't create sustained offensive pressure, tiring the other teams defense and allowing for secondary chances. Look at Carolina's top players, Aho, Shev, Teravainen, etc...these guys go to the front of the net along with the rest of the team, creating havoc and spending most of their shifts in the offensive zone. Look at us, Panarin is averse to going in the slot area, so is Strome, Mika...the only ones are maybe Kreider, Goodrow and the fourth line that consistently goes there (Blais would have been another guy). That's it. That's why our 5V5 stats are terrible!

Actually they do attack the front of the net. Kakko and Laf are going to the front of the net but... there are no pucks coming their way. Kakko's entire offensive game currently in to o-zone is the play the puck up to the D and go wrestle with a defenseman in front of the net. The problem is the D (and other forwards) don't shoot for whatever reasons. The Rangers get the puck up to the D go to the net and then nothing happens... the movement is too slow, the D have a forechecker taking away the lanes so the puck ends up being played into a corner again.

The Ranger D are not good at getting shots through traffic, not even Fox. The Canes did that well enough, their D walked the line OR they had no pressure so they had time to pick their shots. That's the difference.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Half his goals are on the PP and 5 of his 12 assists have been on the PP. How does that add up to most of his points being on the PP. If anything that shows his game has been in balance. Time for a Math refresher course.

CK is currently 26/12 for 38, 13 goals on the PP 1 SH. 6 assists on the pp, and 6 at ES. less than half his points are at even strength.
The most constistent concept in his game is the PP goal, which no one is suggesting taking away.
13 Powerplay goals is 1/3 of his scoring. Thats a significant amount.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Call me crazy but I wouldn't be offering KAM or Lindy for Chych,

 

[MarkMessyay11]

How many issues do we have?

This is 1 part of the problem. This is the worst Panarin has ever looked in the NHL, let alone on the Rangers.

This is another part.

We'd honestly be better served, going with 11 forwards, sitting one of our many 4th liners and just dressing Nemeth for the PK. He obviously can't move the puck at Even-Strength. He is not working.

So much focus on Kakko and Laf but you’re spot on with Panarin. What the hell is going on with him? It gets ignored pretty easily by the same crowd focusing on production (or lack thereof) of Kakko and Laf, but Artemi doesn’t even look close to the same player he was in his first 2 years. That’s more worrisome to me than the 2 kids…

 

[CLW]

Anyone suggesting separating Kreider and Zib must be watching different hockey games. That’s the best combo on the team right now and it’s not close.

Best combo no doubt, but maybe the team would be more balanced if they were split up? Hmm

Best combo

OR

Best team

Decisions, decisions (not saying the team would be better necessarily, but there's more to it than "best combo").

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Guys just always remember this off season. Rangers were going to be”SOOO active”. Literally only deal was to trade our home grown ppg winger for a bottom 6 grinder and a 2nd. I won’t be fooled again.

 

[NYR Viper]

Guys just always remember this off season. Rangers were going to be”SOOO active”. Literally only deal was to trade our home grown ppg winger for a bottom 6 grinder and a 2nd. I won’t be fooled again.

Goodrow. Reaves. Nemeth. Hunt.

 

[Avery16]

Goodrow. Reaves. Nemeth. Hunt.

Half of those were moves that did not make us better.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Panarin's drop off is extremely concerning. The point total is ok but he just isn't having the impact he did his first season here or with Columbus.

 

[ZiGOODejad]

Guys just always remember this off season. Rangers were going to be”SOOO active”. Literally only deal was to trade our home grown ppg winger for a bottom 6 grinder and a 2nd. I won’t be fooled again.

You can call him a bottom six winger but we have no clue what he would have been for our line up. He very well could have been the spark our third line needed. He could have been more then just another bottom six guy. Everyone wants to harp on this trade.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

You can call him a bottom six winger but we have no clue what he would have been for our line up. He very well could have been the spark our third line needed. He could have been more then just another bottom six guy. Everyone wants to harp on this trade.

Harp on it? Hell yes. We are getting wind that Drury is about ready to make another huge move. His last big move ripped our hearts out and made us the laughing stock of the league. You know everyone laughs at us at how bad we got ripped off right? Only for Buch to sign something more than reasonable with the Blues. That trade was downright terrible, and it's scary that we're hearing these rumors about other possible big deals.

 

[Avery16]

Panarin's drop off is extremely concerning. The point total is ok but he just isn't having the impact he did his first season here or with Columbus.

Strome finally rubbing off on him.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Strome finally rubbing off on him.

Strome's actually gotten better defensively though

 

[TheDirtyH]

Strome's actually gotten better defensively though

It definitely feels like the marriage has long been over for them. Weirdly, different from when they were first together, we all can say pretty confidently that Strome is a good player on his own and yet (or and so) it's been time to break them up.

 

[Bruner4329]

CK is currently 26/12 for 38, 13 goals on the PP 1 SH. 6 assists on the pp, and 6 at ES. less than half his points are at even strength.
The most constistent concept in his game is the PP goal, which no one is suggesting taking away.
13 Powerplay goals is 1/3 of his scoring. Thats a significant amount.

I was responding to the post that said most of his points. 50% is not most in any math class I took nor is it most on any planet in this universe. People stretch the facts to try and make a point and when they exaggerate the facts they need to be called out.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Sorry if this stuff has already been discussed, just started my weekend lounging.

Armstrong has seen Schneider a lot over the last 2 years as he played with McCartney in Brandon. It makes sense for Armstrong to target Schneider and I wonder how Drury would feel about trading him away.

It's not an easy decision to make.

 

[Avery16]

Strome's actually gotten better defensively though

He’s had to. Could hardly get any worse.

 

[QJL]

Panarin's drop off is extremely concerning. The point total is ok but he just isn't having the impact he did his first season here or with Columbus.

He’s now what I thought we paid for. When we signed him, he played like a top player in the world for that 95 point 69 game season. That seemed like an outlier. Panarin has come back down to earth, but that’s not a concern. He’s still an elite highly productive player who would be the best player on a majority of teams in the league.

 

[Vitto79]

So can Panarin just play RW and Laf top 6 LW?

 

[Psycho for Perreault]

Kreider Mika and Panarin on line 1. Kakko Strome and Laf on line 2. Trade Nemeth and a pick for someone to take him. Now we have a team that might be able to compete when it matters.

 

[haveandare]

Harp on it? Hell yes. We are getting wind that Drury is about ready to make another huge move. His last big move ripped our hearts out and made us the laughing stock of the league. You know everyone laughs at us at how bad we got ripped off right? Only for Buch to sign something more than reasonable with the Blues. That trade was downright terrible, and it's scary that we're hearing these rumors about other possible big deals.

This is a super dramatic take imo. Buch is thriving and that’s great but we absolutely need top 6 spots for Kakko and Laf if we ever want them to be anything close to what they’re supposed to be. And we, as of today, have literally nothing in return because Subban is allowed to hurt people to make up for losing his foot speed so Blais is out all year, and the pick hasnt been made yet. Who cares what other fans think of a trade? People have ridiculous takes on everything all the time, it’s not worth thinking about for a moment.

Otherwise, Drury is GM. He’s going to make trades. Todays team is, by their record, vastly superior to the one last year.

 

[Vitto79]

Rangers in on DeBrusk and Chychrun

 

[mas0764]

This is a super dramatic take imo. Buch is thriving and that’s great but we absolutely need top 6 spots for Kakko and Laf if we ever want them to be anything close to what they’re supposed to be. And we, as of today, have literally nothing in return because Subban is allowed to hurt people to make up for losing his foot speed so Blais is out all year, and the pick hasnt been made yet. Who cares what other fans think of a trade? People have ridiculous takes on everything all the time, it’s not worth thinking about for a moment.

Otherwise, Drury is GM. He’s going to make trades. Todays team is, by their record, vastly superior to the one last year.

The Buch trade was horrible and there is no other way to put it.

 

[haohmaru]

Armstrong has seen Schneider a lot over the last 2 years as he played with McCartney in Brandon. It makes sense for Armstrong to target Schneider and I wonder how Drury would feel about trading him away.

It's not an easy decision to make.

Sure it is. Screw that.

 

[NYR Viper]

If Panarin can play RW, than Debrusk as a buy low power forward could make sense. But I mean as a seriously low buy low.