Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXI

[Jaromir Jagr]

A GM wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't ask for more than he got.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

How good is Adam Fox? Ufa soon and from NY right ?

UFA in August 2020 if he doesn't sign

 

[Ola]

Saw some speculation that Calgary won’t qualify Curtis Lazar. He was hurt a lot since Ottawa rushed him pretty bad, but he has had a good season in the AHL this season.

Tremendous character and reminds a lot of Lemieux, very good wheels and a good shot. But of course lacking a bit in terms of offensive understanding of the game.

Would love to get him too, even if we now have Lemieux.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

DeAngelo has a higher ceiling than Miller.

If your are talking purely about offense then you are probably right. As an overall Dman its Miller. The kid has the potential to be a beast #1 Dman.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

If your are talking purely about offense then you are probably right. As an overall Dman its Miller. The kid has the potential to be a beast #1 Dman.

Defensively, DeAngelo is the best D-man on the Rangers. Miller is playing in college, and has played defense for 3 years in his life.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Tank Commander Generals:

2 star: Marc Staal, Brady Skjei

3 star: Kevin Shattenkirk, Brendan Smith

4 star: Neal Pionk

5 star: Cody McLeod (RIP in pieces)

Anti-Tank Commanders:

3 star: Tony DeAngelo, Jimmy Vesey, Henrik Lundqvist, Alex Georgiev

4 star: David Quinn, Chris Kreider

5 star: Mika Zibanejad

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Defensively, DeAngelo is the best D-man on the Rangers. Miller is playing in college, and has played defense for 3 years in his life.

And his tools are grade A. Combined that with his size has the propects of a top Dman. We are talking about potential here.

Also being the top Dman on the Rangers when you look at his peers isnt saying that much lol.

Edit: Also not knocking DeAngelo I'm high on him too.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

If your are talking purely about offense then you are probably right. As an overall Dman its Miller. The kid has the potential to be a beast #1 Dman.

I see Miller's floor as John Moore. Drafted at almost the same exact pick in the first round. Similar height and weights, great skaters, comparable skill sets. Questionable hockey sense.

I agree, absolutely #1D upside. If he develops perfectly, you're looking at another Brent Burns. But man, it took Burns a long, long time to become what he did.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

Defensively, DeAngelo is the best D-man on the Rangers. Miller is playing in college, and has played defense for 3 years in his life.

It's not even close. He always seems to be the one back there defending 2-on-1s, despite having a "stay at home" D as his partner. He rarely blows coverages, and he's great at finding the outlet to transition to offense.

Literally the only knock against him is that he struggles with large forwards, but anyone his size would. He's nimble enough on his edges that he still contests the play though. The kid doesn't give up anything for free. He sticks up for his teammates.

 

[Edge]

I think it's incredibly difficult to compare ADA and Miller at this point.

Miller, for all his early success, is still very much a work in progress. The payoff could be fantastic, but it's still going to take time.

ADA is 4.5 years older than Miller. By the time Miller is ADA's age, ADA will be 30. That's a decent gap.

They're also two very different players.

 

[NYR Viper]

It's not even close. He always seems to be the one back there defending 2-on-1s, despite having a "stay at home" D as his partner. He rarely blows coverages, and he's great at finding the outlet to transition to offense.

Literally the only knock against him is that he struggles with large forwards, but anyone his size would. He's nimble enough on his edges that he still contests the play though. The kid doesn't give up anything for free. He sticks up for his teammates.

The steps he has taken this year, under Quinn, have been monumental.

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers have 19 games remaining. 8 home/11 road. It will be 6 home/11 road after their next two games against Montreal & Washington.

Seven out of their next nine games starting on Tuesday are on the road.

The teams behind them in the standings are terrible.

Ottawa traded their entire team. Good for Colorado. The Kings have been brutal all year. The Ducks are pathetic. So bad. The Red Wings are competitive in games but they always lose. The Devils haven't had Hall in their lineup since December. He might not play again this season. You never know if Hall will ever play another game for the Devils. He will be a free agent in 2020. They might trade him if he doesn't sign an extension this summer. They have so many other injuries. Their goaltending was awful with Kinkaid. Schneider has played well since returning from his rehab stint. Edmonton is also awful. Another lost season for them.

The Rangers have a tough schedule but those above mentioned teams aren't passing the Rangers in the standings.

Seventh is the earliest possible pick for the Rangers heading into the lottery.

Gorton says the only way this whole thing is going to work is by drafting well. They also need to draft elite difference making talent. That is the only way this whole thing is going to work.

 

[duhmetreE]

How good is Adam Fox? Ufa soon and from NY right ?

My line of thinking, at this point, why would he sign?

It just so happens we could use a top4 RHD

 

[Ghost of jas]

The Rangers have 19 games remaining. 8 home/11 road. It will be 6 home/11 road after their next two games against Montreal & Washington.

Seven out of their next nine games starting on Tuesday are on the road.

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The teams behind them in the standings are terrible.

Ottawa traded their entire team. Good for Colorado. The Kings have been brutal all year. The Ducks are pathetic. So bad. The Red Wings are competitive in games but they always lose. The Devils haven't had Hall in their lineup since December. He might not play again this season. You never know if Hall will ever play another game for the Devils. He will be a free agent in 2020. They might trade him if he doesn't sign an extension this summer. They have so many other injuries. Their goaltending was awful with Kinkaid. Schneider has played well since returning from his rehab stint. Edmonton is also awful. Another lost season for them.

The Rangers have a tough schedule but those above mentioned teams aren't passing the Rangers in the standings.

Seventh is the earliest possible pick for the Rangers heading into the lottery.

Gorton says the only way this whole thing is going to work is by drafting well. They also need to draft elite difference making talent. That is the only way this whole thing is going to work.

7th is where I expect them to finish at this point. Gorton and company, fortunately, have been targeting high end talent. Hopefully they’ll have at least five more first round picks over the next two years to have a chance at adding that kind of talent.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Krebs at 7 and I'm a happy dude.

Unless Byram wants to fall, I'm okay with that as well.

 

[NYRKing]

Rough article from Brooks on Libor Hajek. Pinning him as the make or break in the Tampa trade and highlighting his struggles. Few times I've seen him he's looked good yet unspectacular. Liked his efforts in the preseason as well.

Not really shocked by the big club this year, except for the resiliency of the roster to win some close games vs good clubs. The Pack performance, however, is scary.

 

[Edge]

Rough article from Brooks on Libor Hajek. Pinning him as the make or break in the Tampa trade and highlighting his struggles. Few times I've seen him he's looked good yet unspectacular. Liked his efforts in the preseason as well.

Not really shocked by the big club this year, except for the resiliency of the roster to win some close games vs good clubs. The Pack performance, however, is scary.

Brooks still has the bug up his ass on the Hayes trade. So this is his subtle way of stirring up emotions and creating drama about what the Rangers are doing.

Uncle Larry's a lot of things, but he's no idiot.

 

[DutchShamrock]

It seems like GMs are finally shifting away from the huge TDL additions for rentals. Why pay a premium for a Nash, even without an injury, when it affects team chemistry and the player rarely settles in. A look at cup winners and it's hard to find a high profile, late UFA addition that contributed.

It's usually initially overlooked moves, and they happen early like Kempny and Schultz.

That's why prices are dropping. Just in time too because we only have 1 high profile pending UFA next year so Gorton needs to recognize the market and pivot. Kreider needs to be addressed before camp, one way or the other.

 

[Edge]

It seems like GMs are finally shifting away from the huge TDL additions for rentals. Why pay a premium for a Nash, even without an injury, when it affects team chemistry and the player rarely settles in. A look at cup winners and it's hard to find a high profile, late UFA addition that contributed.

It's usually initially overlooked moves, and they happen early like Kempny and Schultz.

That's why prices are dropping. Just in time too because we only have 1 high profile pending UFA next year so Gorton needs to recognize the market and pivot. Kreider needs to be addressed before camp, one way or the other.

It comes in waves. I do think the 2018 TDL was on the higher side, so a market correction was almost inevitable.

 

[I Eat Crow]

It seems like GMs are finally shifting away from the huge TDL additions for rentals. Why pay a premium for a Nash, even without an injury, when it affects team chemistry and the player rarely settles in. A look at cup winners and it's hard to find a high profile, late UFA addition that contributed.

It's usually initially overlooked moves, and they happen early like Kempny and Schultz.

That's why prices are dropping. Just in time too because we only have 1 high profile pending UFA next year so Gorton needs to recognize the market and pivot. Kreider needs to be addressed before camp, one way or the other.

You're not wrong. I also think that the light returns at the deadline have to do with a strong top end of the draft this year. The first round and early 2nd round look very strong.

 

[Gardner McKay]

There's a trade to be had with Calgary, if we're looking for a dman. btw where the **** did this Giordano come from? 35 years old and peaking

Gio has been a beast for quite a while...

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Niku? Stanley? How many Dmen prospects do we need?

For the record, this is probably leaked to Dreger from the Winnipeg organization to combat people in their market saying they overpaid for a rental.

You put this out there and then it's now "Well yeah, we gave up a first and Lemieux but they wanted a 1st and Roslavic so it could've been worse and we actually didn't overpay"

 

[duhmetreE]

Dont think about his salary from a Rangers perspective. Think of it from the perspective of another team with an open window in 2020-21. If you're the GM of that team and you know your window is wide open now, but will close in 2-3 years, do you give Kreider more than $40/6? Of course you do. Do you give him $50/6? Yes, you still do because Kreider could be the difference between the Conference Final and the Cup. You might even go above $50/6 as you try to outbid a rival in a similar position. I mean what's another $3-4 over 6 years if it means you get a Cup or two in the next 3 seasons. Sure he will be an anchor, but at least you'll forever have a ring. By the end of Kreider's contract, your team is rebuilding anyway, so who cares if Kreider isnt worth the money anymore.

Dont you think Kreider and his agent realize this? Why would they accept $40/6 when they know that inevitably at least one GM will go crazy for his services. He could get overpaid and play on a Cup winner. Why does he accept an offer that makes sense only if you look at things from the Rangers perspective only?

Kreider isnt signing for $40/6. Hed be insane to do that.

huh? If he's signed, he's signed by the Rangers this July. If he's not signed in July, he will more than likely be traded. Your hypothetical does not make much sense because a team in a 'win-now' mode, will not have the luxury of giving Kreider $8M as you propose.

A team would be foolish do give Kreider 8-8.5M. He's valuable but not at that cost. You would then be paying him to be a top scorer. He's a tier below that but still a game changer/driver when he's engaged.

Kreider and his agent will look for fair value. A 40-50pt player his entire career. He most likely will end up with mid-high 50's this year.

Kreider signing 6years / 38- 42 is not insane... it's market value. Signing Kreider to 8.5 will be insane

 

[duhmetreE]

Gio has been a beast for quite a while...

.... not at a point per game pace

 

[Gardner McKay]

.... not at a point per game pace

True. Maybe it just isn't shocking to me because I have always really liked Gio. He has the skill and now that Calgary is actually doing well, it isn't super surprising that at 35 he is having a career year. Put him on a team like the Sharks, Penguins or Bolts and he would close to a point per game guy over the last 3-4 years.