Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXX

[BobMarleyNYR]

I don't think I did, just an option. Either way, that's not the point of what I was showing.

Ah ok, either way I like your roster posts, especially bottom-six ideas.

 

[CLW]

I can confidently say that if the Rangers trade Kakko ++ for Kane and presumably resign Strome I will no longer root for this team and probably give up the NHL.

Frankly it might be what I need to break the addiction.

Talk about right question, wrong conclusion (if the conclusion is try to repeat ‘94).

Brooks is just being stupid to create reactions. It's what being a tabloid hack is about.

 

[mas0764]

I can confidently say that if the Rangers trade Kakko ++ for Kane and presumably resign Strome I will no longer root for this team and probably give up the NHL.

Frankly it might be what I need to break the addiction.

Ditto.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Brooks is just being stupid to create reactions. It's what being a tabloid hack is about.

I know, I shouldn’t take the bait.

 

[mas0764]

Why would anyone be trying to repeat '94?

We are in a position to win MULTIPLE CUPS.

Why is management trying to get just one and limit our chances at any others?

 

[Fitzy]

I feel like we'd be over the bonus cap if we did the above lineup, even with making Chytil and Nemeth disappear.

I think a 2x2.5 deal for Kakko makes more sense in terms of 'fit' but I'll concur that we will be going probably with a 20 or 21 man roster, not 23, next season.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Semantics, then. I'm not arguing that Trouba and Kreider are on equal tiers to Goodrow and Hunt, I said they are complimentary, which means, by the way I used the term, they compliment (ie, assist/support) the primary line drivers. They are not "replacement level," and they are not exactly found in every free agent class, but they are the players you shouldn't over-commit to before your true core is in place because if the core is not good enough these players won't move the needle themselves.

Meanwhile the Goodrows and Hunts of the world, well, I guess they are not quite "replacement level," either but they are available in literally any offseason, affordably.

The core on this team is pretty much Fox, Shesty, Panarin, Mika and hopefully Laf and Kakko. Bottom line is the players we are discussing are extremely important to this team winning anything and so are complimentary players for that matter. Tampa didn't win shit until they traded for players like Goodrow and Coleman, among others. Now they are 2 time cup champs.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Kakko, Lundkvist, Kravtsov and a first for Kane?

What kind of drugs is this guy on?

Absolutely insane.

 

[mas0764]

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I did my homework and the Rangers have avenues to bring back the same team next year, without having to move Kreider/Trouba. I admit that one of those guys will probably need to be moved the following summer but the math adds up for 2022-2023. Only 12 FWDs on the roster above, but i also did not take into account the 1 million cap increase that the league has said will happen every year of the flat cap. Rooney can also be replaced by 2 players making $750,000. The key is keeping the Strome/Kakko extensions at 10 mil aav. If they cant make that work, difficult decisions will be made on 1 of Kreider/Trouba. But i trust the NYR front office has a far better read on this than anyone on HFBoards, and they appear to be very interested in bring Strome back, so that kind of answers the question that they know it will be tight, but doable

This is just about the only way it can possibly work, but props for that, though I think you are making some pretty generous assumptions and still have absolutely zero leeway. Starting with the fact that you are only carrying 12 forwards. Adding the extra player it takes to reach a full roster sinks this, which is evidence of how tough this is.

I also appreciate your conclusion that skimming by on the skin of our teeth this offseason makes it mandatory that one of Kreider/Trouba is moved the following offseason as well.

My issues here would be, I'm not sure Strome only takes $5m, and I'm not sure the extensions you've given the bottom-6 are realistic either, and any change there sinks the attempt. Also.... again, better sign Kakko first. If we have only $5m left for him, and some team offers $6m, well, screwed.

I don't understand this tap dancing. Strome, Kreider, and Trouba are replaceable players.

Just rip the f'n band-aid off and reinforce the Kakko-Laf-Fox core. Strome isn't making the difference between winning a Cup and not. I just don't get the devotion here.

 

[CommaSynapse]

Kakko, Lundkvist, Kravtsov and a first for Kane?

What kind of drugs is this guy on?

The click-for-ad-revenue kind.

 

[McRanger92]

This is just about the only way it can possibly work, but props for that, though I think you are making some pretty generous assumptions and still have absolutely zero leeway. Starting with the fact that you are only carrying 12 forwards. Adding the extra player it takes to reach a full roster sinks this, which is evidence of how tough this is.

I also appreciate your conclusion that skimming by on the skin of our teeth this offseason makes it mandatory that one of Kreider/Trouba is moved the following offseason as well.

My issues here would be, I'm not sure Strome only takes $5m, and I'm not sure the extensions you've given the bottom-6 are realistic either, and any change there sinks the attempt. Also.... again, better sign Kakko first. If we have only $5m left for him, and some team offers $6m, well, screwed.

I don't understand this tap dancing. Strome, Kreider, and Trouba are replaceable players.

Just rip the f'n band-aid off and reinforce the Kakko-Laf-Fox core. Strome isn't making the difference between winning a Cup and not. I just don't get the devotion here.

I understand your points and the logic behind them, but the front office isn't doing this

 

[Tob]

Someone needs to spank Larry's fat geriatric ass again. It's been 10 years since he's been served by Torts.

 

[mas0764]

The core on this team is pretty much Fox, Shesty, Panarin, Mika and hopefully Laf and Kakko. Bottom line is the players we are discussing are extremely important to this team winning anything and so are complimentary players for that matter. Tampa didn't win shit until they traded for players like Goodrow and Coleman, among others. Now they are 2 time cup champs.

Tampa had more elite talent than we did also. I'm very much in favor of emulating them. Let's go get another elite top 6 forward, preferably a center.

 

[mas0764]

I understand your points and the logic behind them, but the front office isn't doing this

The one that needs to go is Trouba.

He's the most expensive, Schneider is nearly ready and he's a clone, and he's gonna be f***ing good quickly, like Miller.

If the front office isn't doing it, it's because they are foolishly married to guys they have interpersonal connections to, and they aren't looking at it from an asset-management and business standpoint. That's the danger with putting a "good locker room guy," like Drury in charge of locker room decisions, if he's not gonna make the decisions that are best for the franchise, but instead best for his current locker room cause they are tight and he used to be one of those guys, he can't separate himself from that. He wants all the friends to stay here and win together, well, it doesn't work like that. Someone we like has to get the boot. Or they can start taking voluntary pay cuts.

 

[mas0764]

It makes all the sense in the world to dive into the rental market this year if this keeps up.

They're going to have to do a bit of a reset with this roster next year anyway. If they're in position, why not try to see if you can strike the iron right NOW?

I'm not suggesting getting stupid, but an add or two or three makes sense.

I don't think anyone would oppose trading a third for some winger depth for the rest of the year. Especially earlier than later.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

I can confidently say that if the Rangers trade Kakko ++ for Kane and presumably resign Strome I will no longer root for this team and probably give up the NHL.

Frankly it might be what I need to break the addiction.



Talk about right question, wrong conclusion (if the conclusion is try to repeat ‘94).

I can safely say Kakko isn't going to be traded for Kane, and I like Kane.

 

[egelband]

Who?

Chytil, Georgiev, Nemeth…I don’t know. Maybe they’ll buy an LTIR guy. Maybe they know the cap will go up a little. I just know they’ll find a way. Because they always do.

 

[mas0764]

Chytil, Georgiev, Nemeth…I don’t know. Maybe they’ll buy an LTIR guy. Maybe they know the cap will go up a little. I just know they’ll find a way. Because they always do.

Georgiev and Nemeth are gone anyway. It's "who else"?

Hint: It's either Strome, Kreider, or Trouba.

And if they somehow make it slide by the skin of their teeth this offseason by only icing 12 forwards next year and getting Kakko and Strome to take less than market value, then it will absolutely be one of those three guys the following offseason.

You don't have an answer because you haven't looked at the math - the math says one of those three has to go, and that's what Edge was on here telling us last week.

 

[E-Train]

Why is management trying to get just one and limit our chances at any others?

They’re not trying to get just one. Pure Uncle Larry musings.

Center & vet D by the deadline. Done

 

[mas0764]

Diving into the data on the Rangers: What's gone right (and wrong) during the NHL's 2nd best start?

Synopsis: Advanced stats say -

Strome-Panarin is our best forward combo.

Trouba still a negative player but it's because he's covering for Miller.

Nemeth and Lundkvist getting better.

Gauthier is generating lots of chances, which is good, but converting on them at alarmingly poor rates, which is bad (and exactly what we all knew), as is Chytil.

Georgiev has been terrible.

 

[duhmetreE]

The Rangers have kind of come out of nowhere. They have miles and miles to go. They haven’t yet played the Lightning. They haven’t yet played the ‘Canes. They have played the Panthers once, and beat them at the Garden, but were mauled by Florida to such an extent that nearly a week of soul-searching followed. They haven’t played the Caps again since an opening-night flop. We don’t quite know yet, do we, even as they just keep winning?

Disagree in that take from Larry. This is what I was expecting, to a certain extent. I've thought we had one of the most talented rosters in the league and we severely under performed under Quinn.

I didn't expect 17-4-3 but I expected to be 'close to the top', as we currently stand 'at the top'.

 

[Avery16]

Brooks is just being stupid to create reactions. It's what being a tabloid hack is about.

How long until I read the Brooks headline, “Will it Hurt if I Stick This Needle Into My Eye?”

 

[The New Russian Five]

Trouba seems like the easy man to take out of the equation here. Schneider can take that spot. Hopefully by next season Lundkvist will have made a big enough jump where both he and Schneider can kind of share that 2D spot on a rotational role until one of them wins out.

Trouba has been playing much better, but still no all-star and his contract is still bloated. With Fox taking over PP1 his offensive game isn't that needed and if we're looking at his snarl, it seems like Schneider has that in spades.

Would like to keep Kreider around until we start to see some real consistent production out of Kakko or Laf.

 

[Lion Hound]

Package Brooks mentions is steep. I wouldn't trade #24 OR #13

With that said, would the Hawks even considering moving Pat Kane?


Panarin and Fox dishing the puck to Pat Kane. Thats tasty!

 

[Savant]

Trouba seems like the easy man to take out of the equation here. Schneider can take that spot. Hopefully by next season Lundkvist will have made a big enough jump where both he and Schneider can kind of share that 2D spot on a rotational role until one of them wins out.

Trouba has been playing much better, but still no all-star and his contract is still bloated. With Fox taking over PP1 his offensive game isn't that needed and if we're looking at his snarl, it seems like Schneider has that in spades.

Would like to keep Kreider around until we start to see some real consistent production out of Kakko or Laf.

Trouba is not the easy guy to take out anymore. He has been great this season and offers something different than the rest of the D core.