Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXX

[jay from jersey]

Yes he can be traded in the offseason. I am not making the team weaker during the season. Especially now when Igor will be coming back from an injury. Whose to say he doesn't re-aggravate it after he comes back? I am not sure how much of an issue these locker room problems are considering the team is 1 point out of first place anyway. Seems overblown.

If he continues to play well while shesty is out, they’ll likely keep him for the rest of the season. The cap hit isn’t a concern this year, we have plenty..
I’d absolutely trade him if the offer is a big net positive for us at the TDL though.
If a goalie from a contender goes down, you never know, they might get desperate and pay a lot for Geo because they like what they saw from him filling in for injury.
They would then be able to platoon him with whoever their back up is in a more shared 1A 1B situation where Geo seems to play better.
After this season I absolutely dump him and his cap hit. It’s just too much to get inconsistent play when he’s in a true back up position..
Rangers shouldn’t have a problem finding a guy that fits that criteria for cheaper that can give you a consistent effort every time he’s needed.
Allaire has done wonders with guys like Pavleic , Raanta, and Talbot. Even Weekes adjusted well when hang came in and laid down the law.
Vally also had some solid runs in a back up capacity here.
Biron was the only true failure imo.

 

[Savant]

It was inevitable that Buchnevich was going to get traded. The problem is that the return was horrible.

 

[Ola]

I would say he will be looking for 32 over 5 years . Maybe 28 if for 4 years . If he gets booted from the playoffs again...likely will be less LOL....

Yeah and I could even see him getting north of that on both AAV and term.

 

[CLW]

It was inevitable that Buchnevich was going to get traded. The problem is that the return was horrible.

The market clearly is complicated. On paper there are no doubt teams that should be kicking themselves for not paying enough to get Buch, but easy to say that's hindsight.

 

[Savant]

The market clearly is complicated. On paper there are no doubt teams that should be kicking themselves for not paying enough to get Buch, but easy to say that's hindsight.

Drury should be kicking himself. Market wasn’t that complicated, he just locked in on Blais and took a lousy deal because of it.

 

[CLW]

Drury should be kicking himself. Market wasn’t that complicated, he just locked in on Blais and took a lousy deal because of it.

Maybe. Kupari + 1st is the only other offer we know of. Is that a better fit for the current Rangers team than Blais? Keep in mind Drury wanted more experience, which is fair enough.

 

[Vitto79]

Maybe. Kupari + 1st is the only other offer we know of. Is that a better fit for the current Rangers team than Blais? Keep in mind Drury wanted more experience, which is fair enough.

Blais is good player. Would likely be 2nd line RW if he didn’t get hurt

just move on the teams good w no Buch
Sucks but cap hell

 

[Savant]

Maybe. Kupari + 1st is the only other offer we know of. Is that a better fit for the current Rangers team than Blais? Keep in mind Drury wanted more experience, which is fair enough.

Kupari is a more valuable player than Blais, and a 1st is better than a 2nd. So yeah. Dr. Evil must have taught Drury how to negotiate. “Why have billions when you can have millions?”

If you wanted Blais that much keep Kupari and spin a pick for him. No one with a straight face can tell me that STL had a leg to stand on to demand a 1st (or even a 2nd) for Blais. It’s horrible asset management.

Current Ranger fit? The Rangers seem to be getting enough out of Reaves and Hunt don’t they? The didn’t need all three of those players, and the lack of secondary scoring is certainly visible despite it not significantly hurting the Rangers in the standings yet.

In terms of external additions, Reaves and Hunt have been the best moves. Blais trade, Goodrow and Nemeth have been the worst moves.

 

[Fitzy]

Blais is good player. Would likely be 2nd line RW if he didn’t get hurt

just move on the teams good w no Buch
Sucks but cap hell

You win some, you lose some. We lost with Buch for sure.

Getting Adam Fox for 2 2nd round picks still stands as one of the best value trades in NYR history, and we still don't know how long Fox is gonna be playing his trade here.

 

[Savant]

Blais is good player. Would likely be 2nd line RW if he didn’t get hurt

just move on the teams good w no Buch
Sucks but cap hell

Blais being 2RW doesn’t mean a whole lot. There is no difference if Blais is 2RW with Panarin and Strome than there is with Fast, Blackwell, Hunt, etc. it’s interchangeable parts and you can get a vet minimum guy to do the dirty work there and still get (near) Hart caliber numbers from Panarin from that spot. Its just another example of bad asset management.

Blais - second line RW with a career high of 15 points in a season? That is injury prone? Get real. He was still pacing for under 25 points this season before he got hurt.

 

[CLW]

Kupari is a more valuable player than Blais, and a 1st is better than a 2nd. So yeah. Dr. Evil must have taught Drury how to negotiate. “Why have billions when you can have millions?”

If you wanted Blais that much keep Kupari and spin a pick for him. No one with a straight face can tell me that STL had a leg to stand on to demand a 1st (or even a 2nd) for Blais. It’s horrible asset management.

Current Ranger fit? The Rangers seem to be getting enough out of Reaves and Hunt don’t they? The didn’t need all three of those players, and the lack of secondary scoring is certainly visible despite it not significantly hurting the Rangers in the standings yet.

In terms of external additions, Reaves and Hunt have been the best moves. Blais trade, Goodrow and Nemeth have been the worst moves.

Sure. But this take is with the benefit of hindsight.

Drury
1. wasn't going to go into the new season with both Strome and Buch on the team.
2. Needed to strengthen the team with physicality and experience. The aim was clearly to push for the playoffs again.

I agree Kupari + 1st would have been a better trade, but that trade would be more of a rebuilding trade and that's not where the FO had it's focus last summer. Blais and Goody brought cup experience and fit with the aim of building up the locker room, as did Reaves. Also Hunt being as good as he is was a bonus.

 

[Savant]

Sure. But this take is with the benefit of hindsight.

Drury
1. wasn't going to go into the new season with both Strome and Buch on the team.
2. Needed to strengthen the team with physicality and experience. The aim was clearly to push for the playoffs again.

I agree Kupari + 1st would have been a better trade, but that trade would be more of a rebuilding trade and that's not where the FO had it's focus last summer. Blais and Goody brought cup experience and fit with the aim of building up the locker room, as did Reaves. Also Hunt being as good as he is was a bonus.

No this isn’t hindsight. This is common sense. And many were saying this from the beginning.

 

[effen]

You win some, you lose some. We lost with Buch for sure.

Getting Adam Fox for 2 2nd round picks still stands as one of the best value trades in NYR history, and we still don't know how long Fox is gonna be playing his trade here.

Value frogs were apoplectic they offered anything more than a 4th. That was fun.

 

[effen]

Kupari and a 1st is not a better trade for the 2021 Rangers which is a pretty important distinction.

 

[CLW]

No this isn’t hindsight. This is common sense. And many were saying this from the beginning.

But does that common sense take into account the reality on the ground, such as that Strome was unmovable? Nothing is easier than to have the opinion Drury had to get better return.

 

[CLW]

Kupari and a 1st is not a better trade for the 2021 Rangers which is a pretty important distinction.

Exactly. Potentially for the 2024 Rangers, but that's not where the focus of the moves were.

 

[Fitzy]

Value frogs were apoplectic they offered anything more than a 4th. That was fun.

Yeah I’m a big believer that the cost was worth getting fox that extra year of development at the NHL level too. There was nothing left for him to learn in the NCAA. Would have been a wasted season

 

[NYR Viper]

Sam Bennett is the approximate value of Blais this past off-season. Those guys had very similar stats and playing styles. Bennett took off after going to Florida. I wouldn't say Blais' value is that far off of what Florida paid. I still think he should be a long term piece here. The injury was flukey and he will be an important part of the identity here for a while.

In saying all of that, I would have preferred Kupari + 1st.

 

[Thirty One]

Maybe. Kupari + 1st is the only other offer we know of. Is that a better fit for the current Rangers team than Blais? Keep in mind Drury wanted more experience, which is fair enough.

How do we know the Kupari + 1st offer? Is that the 8th pick last year or a potential lottery pick this year?

 

[CLW]

How do we know the Kupari + 1st offer? Is that the 8th pick last year or a potential lottery pick this year?

Edge mentioned it. My understanding is that it's a 2022 pick but that's just my assumption.

 

[Thirty One]

Edge mentioned it. My understanding is that it's a 2022 pick but that's just my assumption.

Thank you.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The market clearly is complicated. On paper there are no doubt teams that should be kicking themselves for not paying enough to get Buch, but easy to say that's hindsight.

Drury took the first offer available the moment the market opened. He's the equivalent of a 5-year old who gets 10 bucks to buy a toy and spends it on a shitty on at the first vendor he passes, only to then try and convince himself it's better than all the other toys he saw later on.

 

[CLW]

Drury took the first offer available the moment the market opened. He's the equivalent of a 5-year old who gets 10 bucks to buy a toy and spends it on a shitty on at the first vendor he passes, only to then try and convince himself it's better than all the other toys he saw later on.

Maybe.

I'd love to know the real reasoning but the beat reporters don't seem to be dare to prod sensitive issues. I recall the car crash Buch and Shesty were involved in. Maybe Drury wanted Buch gone and to change the locker room dynamics... who knows?

 

[Savant]

Kupari and a 1st is not a better trade for the 2021 Rangers which is a pretty important distinction.

It absolutely is.

The 1st is a better trade chip and Kupari can certainly put up the points that Blais has put up in his career. I don’t agree with you at all.

 

[Savant]

Sam Bennett is the approximate value of Blais this past off-season. Those guys had very similar stats and playing styles. Bennett took off after going to Florida. I wouldn't say Blais' value is that far off of what Florida paid. I still think he should be a long term piece here. The injury was flukey and he will be an important part of the identity here for a while.

Bennett was the 4th overall pick in his draft and a center. He also was widely acknowledged as not being put into situations to succeed during the regular season, but still put up good post season number. Blais is a bottom six wingers whose numbers got inflated by being put in a good position to succeed when Tarasenko was hurt. These are not comparable players.