Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXVIII

[Oscar Lindberg]

I don’t see anyway they take Kakko over Hughes.

Hughes is gonna be the first pick regardless of who wins. People are way overthinking this

 

[Clown Fiesta]

Almost died this morning on the trade board there was a “confirmed” Zucc/Pionk/Picks trade for EDM 1st 2019, Yamamoto, Samurakov. By the time I checked Twitter the thread was down lol.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

They love their Americans too.

He’s also consensus #1.

I know he's the consensus no 1, but it's early. Things can change. I think Kakko has a serious shot at going 1OA

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Almost died this morning on the trade board there was a “confirmed” Zucc/Pionk/Picks trade for EDM 1st 2019, Yamamoto, Samurakov. By the time I checked Twitter the thread was down lol.

Me too.

 

[Vitto79]

If WPG lands Stone then the dream of getting a 2nd and Appleton for Zucc is over, does Colorado ramp up their efforts for help and offer Kaut and a 2nd? Would Kaut + 2nd satisfy you guys?

I think it would

Ottawa is gonna screw ip the deadline for sellers if they purge their 3 UFAs

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think it would

Ottawa is gonna screw ip the deadline for sellers if they purge their 3 UFAs

We don’t have to worry about dzingel.

Duchene is the one who can really f*** things up for us.

 

[haveandare]

If WPG lands Stone then the dream of getting a 2nd and Appleton for Zucc is over, does Colorado ramp up their efforts for help and offer Kaut and a 2nd? Would Kaut + 2nd satisfy you guys?

Colorado trading for a rental doesn't make much sense to me. They're not in a much better position than we are. Yeah, they have more talent but they're literally one point up in the standings.

 

[Ola]

I know he's the consensus no 1, but it's early. Things can change. I think Kakko has a serious shot at going 1OA

Have you seen Kakko play much? Any heads-up against Hughes?

I've not seen enough to really compare the two, just from the U20 I feel that Hughes wheel-based game is a bit more intriguing than Kakko's game.

 

[RGY]

Kaut, Kaprizov, and Tolvanen are all prospects I would be interested in. Those would be great adds. Not as up on the better defensemen prospects around the league of teams that are contending. I know there is Cal Foote in TB. Toronto likely wont trade Liljegren.

 

[Blue Blooded]

They love their Americans too.

He’s also consensus #1.

Consensus #1 cake eater.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Have you seen Kakko play much? Any heads-up against Hughes?

I've not seen enough to really compare the two, just from the U20 I feel that Hughes wheel-based game is a bit more intriguing than Kakko's game.

It's really difficult to compare but I think Hughes is not as good as MacKinnon, while Kakko is definitely on the level of Barkov. That's why I think it will be close

 

[NYR Viper]

I think Columbus trades Panarin and then they deal for Hayes who would really help them moving forward. I would think a conditional pick would be coming back as I think Columbus would LOVE to keep him and they have the cap space. He would slot in really nicely behind Pierre Luc Dubois

 

[Gardner McKay]

It's really difficult to compare but I think Hughes is not as good as MacKinnon, while Kakko is definitely on the level of Barkov. That's why I think it will be close

IIRC, wasn't Nolan Patrick the consensus #1 up until 2017 final rankings came out?

 

[TheBPA]

Minnesota lost Koivu and their owner doesn’t like to give up on a playoff opportunity. I wouldn’t mind something centered around Hayes for Kaprizov.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Minnesota lost Koivu and their owner doesn’t like to give up on a playoff opportunity. I wouldn’t mind something centered around Hayes for Kaprizov.

Their owner just green lit a “retool”

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

IIRC, wasn't Nolan Patrick the consensus #1 up until 2017 final rankings came out?

He was, I think Hischier’s game against Canada in the WJC really shifted focus to him for the last half of the season while Patrick barely played

 

[RGY]

Their owner just green lit a “retool”

True but they have still been winning lately since losing Koivu. I dont know if they throw the towel in on this season. However, they have traded a lot of picks over the years for deadline acquisitions that have failed.

I love Kaprizov and Greenway

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

If WPG lands Stone then the dream of getting a 2nd and Appleton for Zucc is over, does Colorado ramp up their efforts for help and offer Kaut and a 2nd? Would Kaut + 2nd satisfy you guys?

Colorado sucks and even if they make the playoffs, are they poised to do anything? Sakic being ultra patient in the past makes me think he's definitely not going to pay anything of value for a rental and they probably eyeing next year as a better year for them to be competitors.

 

[TheBPA]

True but they have still been winning lately since losing Koivu. I dont know if they throw the towel in on this season. However, they have traded a lot of picks over the years for deadline acquisitions that have failed.

I love Kaprizov and Greenway

I just think Kaprizov could be had because despite their conversations they definitely have some concern over being able to sign him.

 

[NYR Viper]

Colorado sucks and even if they make the playoffs, are they poised to do anything? Sakic being ultra patient in the past makes me think he's definitely not going to pay anything of value for a rental and they probably eyeing next year as a better year for them to be competitors.

Dallas is the team I can see having MAJOR interest in MZA

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

IIRC, wasn't Nolan Patrick the consensus #1 up until 2017 final rankings came out?

Yes. He was. It was all about Nolan Patrick and Timothy Liljegren 2 years ahead of the draft. Then it changed to Patrick and Hischier, with Patrick still the clear no 1. Even at the draft lottery, people said New Jersey got Patrick with winning the lottery.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Dallas is the team I can see having MAJOR interest in MZA

Agreed, he'd probably be a good fit on their second line. They'd be smart to try and make a move for him.

 

[Edge]

I dunno, having seen both Hughes and Kakko play for a few years, I don't really see it as being that close.

Kakko is an excellent player, but Hughes (to this point) has typically been a noticeable level up from him.

One of the things that's often lost on these boards when talking about Hughes is that he's not as physically far along as Kakko or some other prospects. While some people view that as a concern, or a knock, I tend to view it just the opposite.

If Hughes is this good now, compared to his competition, that makes for a hell of a possibility in a few years when he's more physically mature and older.

Hughes is clearly the best player in 2019, to say nothing about 3 or 5 years down the line --- which is a big part of what you're looking for anyway when drafting (and something a lot of fans miss when looking at prospects).

 

[TheBPA]

I dunno, having seen both Hughes and Kakko play for a few years, I don't really see it as being that close.

Kakko is an excellent player, but Hughes (to this point) has typically been a noticeable level up from him.

One of the things that's often lost on these boards when talking about Hughes is that he's not as physically far along as Kakko or some other prospects. While some people view that as a concern, or a knock, I tend to view it just the opposite.

If Hughes is this good now, compared to his competition, that makes for a hell of a possibility in a few years when he's more physically mature and older.

Hughes is clearly the best player in 2019, to say nothing about 3 or 5 years down the line --- which is a big part of what you're looking for anyway when drafting (and something a lot of fans miss when looking at prospects).

Yeah I go Hughes at 1 without hesitation. That said, I do the same with kakko at 2.

 

[Edge]

Yeah I go Hughes at 1 without hesitation. That said, I do the same with kakko at 2.

Very clearly the first and second players in the draft.

But I think there's just about as noticeable of a gap between 1 and 2, as there is between 2 and 3.