I think you're probably correct and Hayes goes, but if Gorton doesn't get what he wants for him, should he look to sign him longterm? 93 and 13 isn't a terrible 1, 2 combination. They're both relatively young and Zib is already on a great contract. I think what Hayes brings will be missed when he's gone.
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I think you're probably correct and Hayes goes, but if Gorton doesn't get what he wants for him, should he look to sign him longterm? 93 and 13 isn't a terrible 1, 2 combination. They're both relatively young and Zib is already on a great contract. I think what Hayes brings will be missed when he's gone.
You can say that about anyone that they'd move out of the top 6. They don't have adequate replacements yet...
But that doesn't mean that they should hold onto guys. I can see the case for keeping Hayes for sure, but that would mean Mika should leave.
Those are guys you want on your 2nd best line, not your best unless of course, you have some monster talent playing along side them. We don't have those.
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Ideally, I think many would agree that Zibanejad or Hayes would be your #2 centers. It's obvious to most that Zibanejad is the higher ceiling and more skilled player. A winning team shouldn't pay a guy who would be their 3C in an ideal world too much money in a cap world or else they won't have enough space to bring in the true elite talent needed to win. I'd be fine re-signing Zuccarello on a team friendly 3 year deal in the off-season but even if he 'only' returns a 2nd + good prospect that is a deal this organization must make due to where they are. It's time to continue stocking up on assets.
People look at teams like Winnipeg and Tampa and while they have had some decent success at both the draft and in development they also had many years or high picks and multiple additional picks in which they stocked their systems. The Rangers must do the same thing. 2nd round picks are good additional assets to have within an organization.
People look at teams like Winnipeg and Tampa and while they have had some decent success at both the draft and in development they also had many years or high picks and multiple additional picks in which they stocked their systems. The Rangers must do the same thing. 2nd round picks are good additional assets to have within an organization.
I don't think you should take re-signing off the table. I also don't think you should let the market force your hand. But I think the market is there for them, that both will bring back good value, and that both will be moved.I could see us putting in calls to Hayes' and Zuccs' agents come July 1, but there will be teams out there who will pay more.
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Don't be surprised if Zuc is here after the deadline. His return may not be enough to let him go. If it's a 2nd round pick I keep him. Give me a 1st or a good prospect and I'm in but that may not be what the market dictates. I'd rather get a 2nd for Vesey than Zuc.
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Why would they hold on to him when he could conceivably walk for nothing at the end of the year?
I don't think they should hold on to any player for any reason other than, he's going to make the Rangers a better team within the next 5 years. I think Hayes is a little under appreciated around these parts, I'm also not convinced Zib isn't a legit #1 center either. Maybe keep these two and use the draft and free agency to improve defense and add help on the wing. Obviously, who knows what Hayes and his agent are looking for. For all we know they already told Gorton they're going to take their chances in FA and this is a moot point.
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Ofcourse he would have to be signed to a reasonable contract, he doesnt want to leave so I dont see that being a problem.
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The guy who came flying in is AJ Greer, the Avs 2nd rounder in 2015 who I am sure would interest the Rangers. He's more of a power forward type. I like how he came to make the hitter answer the bell immediately.
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Id rather see them throw an offer at Duchene in the offseason, better then a ppg, zibby is approaching a ppg. Thats a nice 1-2 punch moving forward and less pressures on any of the kids becoming first or second line centers immediately. Once hayes is traded who is gonna help take the pressures off of the kids down the middle? Its not like any of them have took it and ran with it.
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If this board is looking to get away from character guys with ceiling limitations, I don't think Greer would make too many happy.
The offense and overall game has never quite developed the way one would've hoped.
The offense and overall game has never quite developed the way one would've hoped.
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Although I have no issue with character guys and ceiling limitations, I would not be targeting them as the primary piece in a trade. If Greer is in addition to a 1st round pick, that's fine.
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If they're getting crap offers then they might figure they might as well keep him. He'll probably re-sign to stay for a 2 year deal at his current cap hit. The Rangers aren't exploding with wing talent in the pipeline so keeping Zucc around would be fine IMO. I think it's far more likely he's moved, but if there are no good offers then I could see just keeping him and extending him.
If you're getting offered 3rd round picks then why even bother? Just keep the guy.
Just initiating talks in a fairly public way is a good way to drive cost up, if it ever did get that low.
I wouldn't be happy with this.
I'm fine with Greer as a tertiary piece, not a secondary one.
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I don't really think Hayes as a rental is worth more than a 1st and a prospect on Greer's level.
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Keep him for what reason though? To win games after the deadline? I doubt whatever team trades for him is going to be in a huge rush to extend him, and if he wants to come back here he can on UFA day. I'd take anything over nothing, plus losing a guy like him might help us get a better pick.
It's not fun to say but the fact is that there's really no value in this team being better or even good after the deadline.
I don't know about that.
The market at his position is pretty shallow and the demand is (or will be) there.
All of that makes sense... which makes me even more curious as to what will ultimately transpire.
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I think I'd probably hope maybe for a 3rd asset of a young player perhaps who needs a new contract as a RFA or a young guy looking for more playing time (Lemieux)
Pittsburgh doesn't want to trade their 1st round pick.
The Rangers need to add more 1st round picks in this draft. Two more first round picks.
Aaron Portzline had a Q & A at The Athletic.
He mentioned Kevin Hayes as a possibility for the Columbus. Duchene. Stone. Simmonds. Schenn. Those were the other players mentioned.
The Rangers need to add more 1st round picks in this draft. Two more first round picks.
Aaron Portzline had a Q & A at The Athletic.
He mentioned Kevin Hayes as a possibility for the Columbus. Duchene. Stone. Simmonds. Schenn. Those were the other players mentioned.
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We arent going to be a worse team next year than this year if that's what you are thinking. Zuc is still a top 6 winger on this team and can be the next couple years, idealy hes on the 3rd pair but getting a pick that will give us an AHL player for a player we can use in the top 6 isnt smart business. Next year we should be turning a corner of some sort where Chytil, Pionk, DeAngelo, Buchnevich andHowden take a step and we introduce Andersson as a more ready player as well as Kravtsov. It doesnt help to have these kids thrown to the fire so having a guy like Zuc, who works hard in season and out of season would be worth more than some teams leftovers. If the offer is decent move him out but for scraps I'd keep him as insurance.
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