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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXIV

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DaBadGuy7 said:
If you get a better package that that Muzzin deal in TOR you have to do it. I like Kreider, but stockpiling on more prospects and further increasing the tank odds is something I prefer more. This the beginning of a long, painful re-build, to me re-signing Kreider would be a classic case of the Rangers not going all the way in re-building. Zibanejad I would be apt to keep considering his age and contract.
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It would have to be a lot better than the Muzzin deal. Even so, the prospects may take years, if ever, to be ready. The stockpiling continues with or without Kreider being moved.
 
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E-Train said:
The team will be gutted enough after the deadline. No need to move Zib or Kreider. Even with a top 3 pick, I want the young vets to stick around. Give Kreider the van Riemsdyk deal maybe add an extra year.
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I agree. You need solid veteran leadership to raise the kids. Krieder's value to NYR is much more than what he will bring back in a trade.
 
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What if Kreider return Jack Hughes if and when Jeff Gorton doing another Stepan kind of deal?

Veteran leadership is a definition as well as the word @True Blue I see players above 30 years old as a veteran player with maybe 10 years of NHL experience. Kreider is a player in his prime years with a huge value upside in any kind of trade related topics. But I understand he is a popular player here and most want to keep him for that reason and I will not speculate on him getting moved or not.

However Jeff Gorton don`t think like that at all as a GM and why the Stepan trade happenened some years ago and many here were dissapointed about it.
 
True Blue said:
I agree. You need solid veteran leadership to raise the kids. Krieder's value to NYR is much more than what he will bring back in a trade.
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I don't know if this is necessarily true.

The balance in trading a player like Kreider is finding a team with good enough assets that's also willing to part with said assets for him.

Trade with a team who's window is now open (CGY, WPG, NSH), who maybe also has a good young player that hasn't yet broken out. Or, a team that is starving for a playoff run (EDM, ARI, FLA, CAR), that is ripe to be ripped off.

Also, the sooner the better with this kind of trade. You'll only have less options as more teams start to drop out of the playoff race. Right now, the overwhelming majority of teams in the league still believe they have a shot at the playoffs.
 
E-Train said:
It would have to be a lot better than the Muzzin deal. Even so, the prospects may take years, if ever, to be ready. The stockpiling continues with or without Kreider being moved.
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Kreider return will get you the best possible return even more than Hayes. I don’t see a Kreider trade happening now, but in the draft where the Rangers could get either picks and prospects can be very helpful in the re-bulid. I just feel Kreider is more valuable as a trade asset to further stockpile the picks and to be make this a true re-build and not a half attempt at one.
 
Profet said:
Kreider doesn't get you a 1st overall pick. Sorry... that's fantasy land.
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I believe that Kreider will return a 1st pick if that is the scenario this summer.

The first three picks overall in this draft will be awarded by lottery in 2019 NHL Entry Draft.
 
Ori said:
I believe that Kreider will return a 1st pick if that is the scenario this summer.
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Huh? Your statement is ambiguous and confusing.

Does Kreider return a first round pick if traded? Sure! That plus more.

Does Kreider return the first overall pick? No way in hell.

Ori said:
The first three picks overall in this draft will be awarded by lottery in 2019 NHL Entry Draft.
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Ok... uh... Not sure what that has to do with anything.

Here is another true statement that has no bearing on the conversation:

Kreider wears both the numbers two and zero on his jersey, making up the number twenty.
 
Buchnevich is apparently a healthy scratch tonight. Rangers are playing 7 defensemen.

He's going to be dealt at the deadline or this summer.
 
Ori said:
Stepan did not return a 1st overall - no one expect you are saying this @Profet
But you increase your lottery chance.
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You literally just posed the opposite a few posts before:

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What if Kreider return Jack Hughes if and when Jeff Gorton doing another Stepan kind of deal?
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Or are you saying Jack Huges falls out of the top 5? Cause... I don't know where to start.
 
ZuccsFluffierFluffer said:
Wouldn't surprise me.

Thought he was low key going to be our surprise trade last year. Can see it being the case this year.
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I mean, JT Miller was pretty surprising. They're in the same situation though. 23 years old, RFA the following summer. Looking for a contract extension.

Buchnevich is the perfect player to bridge. Miller had lots of leverage for a long term deal with how he was playing for us. Miller was a locker room headache. The Rangers got Namestnikov and were able to secure Hajek as a result of including Miller in the McDonagh trade.

Buchnevich is a coach's headache...apparently. He's gone, IMO.
 
Ori said:
What if Kreider return Jack Hughes if and when Jeff Gorton doing another Stepan kind of deal?
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1) There is a market clearing rate for everything. But the price for Kreider is a king's ransom.

2) Who is trading to you a sure top pick in the draft for Kreider?
 
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How many times must Buch get a reminder to play with effort before he gets it? Seems like a rotten apple. Namestnikov got some effort. He could learn from him.
 
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