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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXIII

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Ola said:
I like Strome. But we still pay 4m per for him (including what we retained on Spooner). A total of 8m per for Strome and Namestnikov.

Sometimes I understand that players can become a bit bitter. Like Hayes. We refused to give him like 5x5 last summer. Or whatever, something like that was mentioned if I remember correctly. But between guys like Strome and Names and Smith and all these guys we burn an extreme amount of money, on more or less crap. So little upside to having those guys for like 20m per instead of like Claesson and Boo Nieves and Vinny L.

Meanwhile we will be extremely cheap when resigning our own RFAs, our young kids, only use the shorter bridge contract. All kids have up and down seasons.
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Ola, I gotta say. Reading this board day in-day out. And everyone's hunch on what FO deems a rebuild timeline.

Between "the letter" and the Staal/Smith/Shattenkirk contracts, what McD was looking at and at the time coming off a shoulder injury one season and knee injury another seasson, plus the Stepan NTC it was obvious this was not ever going to be a quick turn around. Oh, plus Girardi and IIRC Richards too right?

They knew this was going to be a stock pile assets and let the cap casualties ride out period then start fresh in a few years. Otherwise why take on Belesky and extend Names and Spooner 2 years? Spooner didn't work out and they cut bate the best they could.

Seems to me every move the past 1.5 years has been with a 3-4 year bottleneck in mind. They didn't want or couldnt to buy out every bad comtract. Took on one since, why not we got the space let's get another asset.

It wouldn't surprise me if we took another bad 2yr contract this TDL. Anyone we do keep has to be a 5+ year plan IMO. Zbad falls into that catagory, Keider is in the covorsation but by no means a lock. I don't think Hayes is here either otherwise they wouldn't have 1 yeared him.

in short. I don't think the cap or who eats up space is important atm at all. This team is all about high profile ELC's, staggered as best as possible, and letting the immovable contracts ride out.
 
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DutchShamrock said:
Those are all legit concerns but maybe that's why they should try to move them. It's a gamble, but then again most trades are. And opposing GMs may be licking their chops waiting for the next Hall, Eberle, Schultz, Strome, Dubnyk, etc. Being underwhelming in Edmonton does not translate to being underwhelming anywhere else. Or maybe I'm just wishing for a firesale.
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Well just because there are concerns that doesn't mean they couldn't get value in trades. I'm sure there are a number of teams who would be interested in adding Draisaitl in a deal for lesser parts, but it remains to be seen if that's the sort of deal that would help the Oilers. I'm curious to see if they can pull anything clever out of their hats, but I'm anticipating another cycle of rebuilding in some capacity.
 
I see Edmonton just riding it out,maybe trying to move Lucic or Kassian and just keep their picks and players and let it play out. I dont see them making a big move,Talbot is likely gone for whatever they can get.
 
According to Brooks latest, Nieves can walk free as an UFA this summer because he won’t play in 80 career games before the end of his current contract. He’ll be at 79 games if he plays every game the rest of the season

Not that he’s a terribly important player long term but shout out to the Rangers internal cap and contract experts for not noticing that one. All they had to do was call him up 1 game earlier
 
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Oscar Lindberg said:
According to Brooks latest, Nieves can walk free as an UFA this summer because he won’t play in 80 career games before the end of his current contract. He’ll be at 79 games if he plays every game the rest of the season

Not that he’s a terribly important player long term but shout out to the Rangers internal cap and contract experts for not noticing that one. All they had to do was call him up 1 game earlier
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What makes you think they didn't notice?
 
https://nypost.com/2019/01/23/rangers-looking-at-defensive-dilemma-when-neal-pionk-returns/

It’s a small sample size, of course. A teeny sample size, that too. But the fact is that in 102:33 of five-on-five, the Staal-DeAngelo tandem has a 52.3 Corsi rating, a 53.3 shot share and a plus-three (8/5) rating with a 34.5 offensive-zone start percentage per Naturalstattrick.com. Meanwhile, in 534:01, the Staal-Pionk pair has a 41.0 Corsi, a 41.0 shot share and a minus-five (19/24) with a 40.06 O-zone start number.
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The Rangers called up Boo Nieves one game too late. With 80 games the cutoff for unrestricted Group 6 free agency, Nieves has played a career total of 45, with 34 games remaining.
Thus, the Blueshirts need to either extend the center’s contract, move him by the deadline, or take the chance on allowing the Michigan product to go scot-free.
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3. Financial considerations as they relate to Brendan Smith, who has rehabilitated himself after last year’s debacle, but has no future on the Blueshirts’ blueline while carrying a contract with a $4.35 million NHL cap hit for two more seasons:

A trade in which the Rangers pick up 50 percent of the deal would mean a $2,612,500 cap hit the next two years. Assignment to the AHL would mean a $3.275 million cap hit each of the next two years, the allowance increasing to $1.075 million for “buried” contracts. A buyout following this season would mean cap hits of $970,000, 833,000, $3,145,833, $1,145,833 and $1,145,833, respectively, for the next four years. Assignment to the Wolf Pack next year followed by a buyout would mean cap hits of $3.275 million, $2,783,33, $2,783,333 respectively for the next three years.
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Smith is a guy Brooks wrote was a must sign and the Rangers would be in trouble without him.

4. Signing Marian Gaborik to his five-year, $37.5 million contract on July 1, 2009 represents the greatest free-agency move in Blueshirts’ history. Not only did The Great Gabby record two 40-plus goal seasons in his four years in New York, but his subsequent 2013 deadline trade to Columbus netted Derek Brassard, whose trade to Ottawa after three years of commendable service yielded Mika Zibanejad and the second-rounder the Rangers used to move up to select K’Andre Miller last June.
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Which pick was used to trade up for Miller?

Come on Larry.

The 2nd rounder was traded to Detroit along with a 3rd in 2017 to rent Smith.

The Rangers used the 2nd from the Grabner trade with Jersey to move up. The Rangers swapped 1st round picks with Ottawa. Maybe that's why he got confused.

https://nypost.com/2019/01/23/rangers-looking-at-defensive-dilemma-when-neal-pionk-returns/
 
The Rangers aced the trade to get Brassard. The 5 year/$25M contract. It was front loaded. The contract turned out to be a very good deal. Brassard was a very good player for them. The Rangers traded Brassard and a 7th for Zibanejad and a 2nd. They signed Zibanejad to 5 year/$26,750,000 contract. $5.35M for a top two center is a bargain. The Rangers would get a lot back in a trade if they decided to move him in the right deal. If only they nail their other deals in the same fashion.
 
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The Rangers should extend Boo Nieves. How much will it cost? Not much. $1.5M. One way contract. 2 years. Ballpark number. He has 7 points in 16 games. How much more is he worth?

The Avs lost again last night. They are going to miss the playoffs with that top line. Crazy.
 
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RangerBoy said:
Smith is a guy Brooks wrote was a must sign and the Rangers would be in trouble without him.



Which pick was used to trade up for Miller?

Come on Larry.

The 2nd rounder was traded to Detroit along with a 3rd in 2017 to rent Smith.

The Rangers used the 2nd from the Grabner trade with Jersey to move up. The Rangers swapped 1st round picks with Ottawa. Maybe that's why he got confused.

https://nypost.com/2019/01/23/rangers-looking-at-defensive-dilemma-when-neal-pionk-returns/
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This is why I don't even bother reading Larry's articles because it's filled with mistakes, both factual and grammatically. It's a pain in the ass to get through in the first place. It's as if a 12-year old wrote it. How is this guy still employed?

On top of that, he never really writes anything I don't already know. Not trying to toot my own horn or anything, but what we discuss here is more much advanced and in much more detail than what he writes. It's just not adding anything for me.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
This is why I don't even bother reading Larry's articles because it's filled with mistakes, both factual and grammatically. It's a pain in the ass to get through in the first place. It's as if a 12-year old wrote it. How is this guy still employed?

On top of that, he never really writes anything I don't already know. Not trying to toot my own horn or anything, but what we discuss here is more much advanced and in much more detail than what he writes. It's just not adding anything for me.
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I agree with most of this with the caveat that he has at least historically been the only one with any inside knowledge of the NYR thinking and is used as s sounding board to the league... leaking what the organization wants out there and that alone holds some value as we approach the deadline.
 
I don’t think in the grand scheme of things that Boo is a big issue to us or any other team honestly.

At this point in time I’d rather have Gorts sorting through Hayes, Zucc, etc than worrying about a 4th line player who has “synergy”
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
This is why I don't even bother reading Larry's articles because it's filled with mistakes, both factual and grammatically. It's a pain in the ass to get through in the first place. It's as if a 12-year old wrote it. How is this guy still employed?
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Yeah, it's not just the screw up on the 2nd round pick.

2,612,500 is not 50% of 4.35 million.

He then goes on to say that a buyout following this year would result in cap hits for the next 4 years, but he lists 5 different cap hits.

I saw all 3 of these mistakes just by reading what RB posted. How the hell did no one at the Post see it? They don't even need to know hockey, just basic math.
 
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SA16 said:
I am sure they don’t really care if a borderline NHL 4C has the ability to leave at the end of the year.
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Boo has yet to establish himself as an every day NHLer. His status as an RFA or UFA isn't going to be the difference in whether or not we re-sign him. Every team has players like him. If we offer him a contract, odds are he'll take it. Give him a 2 year deal. If it's one way, he get paid regardless of where he is playing. That would certainly be an incentive to stay. Even if it's a 2 way deal, they could bump up the AHL money.
 
GAGLine said:
Yeah, it's not just the screw up on the 2nd round pick.

2,612,500 is not 50% of 4.35 million.

He then goes on to say that a buyout following this year would result in cap hits for the next 4 years, but he lists 5 different cap hits.

I saw all 3 of these mistakes just by reading what RB posted. How the hell did no one at the Post see it? They don't even need to know hockey, just basic math.
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Larry Brooks is the Marc Staal of NY journalism. He's been around so long, that people just accept what he does and don't think it's necessary to check anything he does.
 
x BEUKEBOOM x said:
Ola, I gotta say. Reading this board day in-day out. And everyone's hunch on what FO deems a rebuild timeline.

Between "the letter" and the Staal/Smith/Shattenkirk contracts, what McD was looking at and at the time coming off a shoulder injury one season and knee injury another seasson, plus the Stepan NTC it was obvious this was not ever going to be a quick turn around. Oh, plus Girardi and IIRC Richards too right?

They knew this was going to be a stock pile assets and let the cap casualties ride out period then start fresh in a few years. Otherwise why take on Belesky and extend Names and Spooner 2 years? Spooner didn't work out and they cut bate the best they could.

Seems to me every move the past 1.5 years has been with a 3-4 year bottleneck in mind. They didn't want or couldnt to buy out every bad comtract. Took on one since, why not we got the space let's get another asset.

It wouldn't surprise me if we took another bad 2yr contract this TDL. Anyone we do keep has to be a 5+ year plan IMO. Zbad falls into that catagory, Keider is in the covorsation but by no means a lock. I don't think Hayes is here either otherwise they wouldn't have 1 yeared him.

in short. I don't think the cap or who eats up space is important atm at all. This team is all about high profile ELC's, staggered as best as possible, and letting the immovable contracts ride out.
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Great post and definitely fair points.

Our cap hit on the books are:
18/19 $77,112,968
19/20 $58,743,610
20/21 $38,668,610
21/22 $11,711,111

This and next season should be rebuilding years clearing out the dead weight. Then we will have a ton of mobility from the start of 20/21.
 
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