Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXII

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What to do with Kreider?


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Imagine Kassian and Lemmy on a line together. Good God. I bring this up because we’re about to play the fish sticks 3 times and I’m really concerned they’re gonna bully us all over the ice. They have too many pain in the ass guys and they play a tough system. I don’t think Lemmy will be back in time if I’m correct? I can see Quinn employing Smith and Haley for these games.
 
Not sure about the larger deal but I do believe that Buch would be a better addition for Edmonton just because they can re-sign him. They need offensive depth beyond this year.

I’d probably consider Puljujaarvi + EDM 1st for Buch

if they want Georgiev than we’re probably talking adding another good prospect or close to NHL ready young player, preferably a forward. I don’t see a fit for that return.

Skjei I think makes more sense elsewhere.
That seems like a lot for buch. I mean sign me up as a Rangers fan but I don't see it happening
 
Any chance to pry Necas from Carolina. Georgie and Kreider half retained for necas and a 2nd.
 


Yeaaaaa Toronto is just fiiiine with their goaltending situation... we should only be so lucky to get whatever we can from them for GG.

8 goals on 29 shots. Oof. I think they play defense in the manner if the Rangers though, to be fair. Frankly I don’t think the Leafs are all that much better than the Rangers.
 
Any chance to pry Necas from Carolina. Georgie and Kreider half retained for necas and a 2nd.

No chance. Necas has been better than his numbers show. I think he’s a top line/point per game player by next year. He’s also at 863k through 22-23. You don’t trade a player like that. He’s as good as Kreider now.
 
San Jose, Ottawa, Los Angeles and Edmonton strike me as making the most sense for Georgiev.

San Jose may offer Labanc. They have little else of interest to trade. I would do that deal.

Edmonton would make sense. The Rangers would probably have to take back a contract and I am not sure how the Rangers view Edmonton's available players. Forget about getting someone like Nurse and Puljujarvi isn't a fair return. I don't know enough about their prospect pool but it seems thin.

LA and Ottawa have plenty of prospects.

Detroit also has a need but they are just getting their rebuild started and I have no idea what they would be willing to trade.
 
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San Jose, Ottawa, Los Angeles and Edmonton strike me as making the most sense for Georgiev.

San Jose may offer Labanc. They have little else of interest to trade. I would do that deal.

Edmonton would make sense. The Rangers would probably have to take back a contract and I am not sure how the Rangers view Edmonton's available players. Forget about getting someone like Nurse and Puljujarvi isn't a fair return. I don't know enough about their prospect pool but it seems thin.

LA and Ottawa have plenty of prospects.

Detroit also has a need but they are just getting their rebuild started and I have no idea what they would be willing to trade.
From what I’ve heard, Edmonton’s deepest prospect position is defense.
 
San Jose, Ottawa, Los Angeles and Edmonton strike me as making the most sense for Georgiev.

San Jose may offer Labanc. They have little else of interest to trade. I would do that deal.

Edmonton would make sense. The Rangers would probably have to take back a contract and I am not sure how the Rangers view Edmonton's available players. Forget about getting someone like Nurse and Puljujarvi isn't a fair return. I don't know enough about their prospect pool but it seems thin.

LA and Ottawa have plenty of prospects.

Detroit also has a need but they are just getting their rebuild started and I have no idea what they would be willing to trade.
Rangers need NHL forwards. But not sure what youre looking at from those teams.
 
Rangers need NHL forwards. But not sure what youre looking at from those teams.
San Jose has really nothing much beyond Ryan Merkely, who doesn't fit our needs. In addition to draft picks, they really gutted their system with the Karlsson (and other) trades. Edmonton has two top defenseman and a lot of guys I don't know much about. One name on their list that did intrigue me was Raphael Lavoie, but he was quiet at the WJC. I'm sure Rangers scouts have seen a lot of him.

If LA or Ottawa had an interest, we could make a deal in about 15 minutes. Lots of options to pick from.
 
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I’d rather Zadorov
Colorado needs a top 6 winger and a 3C.
We have the first part but traded the second part to Ottawa for a 4th rounder.
I know we gained cap space by trading Namestnikov early but I think it would have been better to wait till the deadline.
I don’t see us making a deal with the Avalanche.
 
Colorado needs a top 6 winger and a 3C.
We have the first part but traded the second part to Ottawa for a 4th rounder.
I know we gained cap space by trading Namestnikov early but I think it would have been better to wait till the deadline.
I don’t see us making a deal with the Avalanche.

Isn’t Strome the ultimate 3C? Aim for the stars. Bring me Newhook.
 


Imagine Kassian and Lemmy on a line together. Good God. I bring this up because we’re about to play the fish sticks 3 times and I’m really concerned they’re gonna bully us all over the ice. They have too many pain in the ass guys and they play a tough system. I don’t think Lemmy will be back in time if I’m correct? I can see Quinn employing Smith and Haley for these games.


Kassian is a tough guy who'd slot in nicely with Lemmy but he's probably more a depth guy you sign to make a run, no? Not sure he's a guy you sign as a UFA in a rebuild. Would love someone who is that tough, hits as much as him, plays with energy, can fight, but most importantly (and I don't know if Kassian fits this mold) can play in defensive situations.
 
San Jose, Ottawa, Los Angeles and Edmonton strike me as making the most sense for Georgiev.

San Jose may offer Labanc. They have little else of interest to trade. I would do that deal.

Edmonton would make sense. The Rangers would probably have to take back a contract and I am not sure how the Rangers view Edmonton's available players. Forget about getting someone like Nurse and Puljujarvi isn't a fair return. I don't know enough about their prospect pool but it seems thin.

LA and Ottawa have plenty of prospects.

Detroit also has a need but they are just getting their rebuild started and I have no idea what they would be willing to trade.

The Rangers are cognizant of the type of deal that they are making. The rentals, as we know are futures, and sometimes you get an NHL body coming back, but usually that's a guy that the other team doesn't want, or would be a cap casualty. Ala Spooner and Belesky in the Rick Nash trade.

But for a player in their prime, or about to enter their prime, who is cost controlled and can contribute to the other team, it absolutely has to be a hockey trade imo. So I agree, if it's SJ, the target is Labanc, or someone that they feel can play an effective NHL role right away. Labanc might require a add on the Rangers side, but I'll take it. You can sign Labanc to a multi-year deal and have him slot in the top six.

Same with trading Skjei, it has to be a hockey deal along the lines of, "We've got a bunch of defensemen, and need forwards, you've got a bunch of forwards, and need defensemen". You don't see that too often these days, but the Rangers can use their assets to backfill.

Defense is the toughest position in the game, but I believe with a more rigid system, and riding guys who are playing well, you can use the kids to get it done by committee on the left side.
 
how are the Rangers going to afford that?

This would be an offseason move. Remember Georgiev is an RFA he will get between $2-3MM on a two year deal. Skjei ($5.25MM) Georgiev ($3MM) + Kravstov ($1MM) totals up to approx $9.25MM. Nylander ($7MM) + Kapanen ($3.2MM) totals to $10.2MM, or $1MM more when looking as t next years cap situation.

I'd like to see Kreider traded for a Kostin type player.

You save about $3.7MM with the buyouts of Staal and Smith. I've advocated to continue to try ADA and Fox on the left to fill the opening created by trading Skjei.

Strome resigned for 4 years sub $5MM. Even with ADAs season i dont see him getting more then $6.5MM. He'll probably want a 4 year deal and the Rangers 6, so they meet at 5 years. Lemieux wont get much of a raise then were he is now, likely $1.5MM.

After the buyouts and trades the Rangers would have $57.75 committed to the cap next season. Adding the new contracts for Strome/Lemieux/ADA/Nylander/Kapanen/Kostin/Keane brings us to $81MM with 3 roster spots left to fill (4th line and spare F and spare D).

Really comes down to what the cap looks like for next year. If it stays at $81.5 it's not doable. If it goes up to say $84MM it is. Buch could be an asset moved as well which would free some but not all of his $3.25MM depending on the replacements cost.

Kapanen - Zbad - Nylander
Panarin - Strome - Buch
Kostin - Chytil - Kakko
Lemieux - Howden - XXXX
XXXX

ADA - Trouba
Lindgren/Hajek - Fox
Hajek/Lindgren - Keane
XXXX

Shesh
Lundqvist
 
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32.38 (I was bored) in total for Fogarty. In his 6 games he played under 4 mins twice and over 8 mins once.
In Gettinger's 2 game's he managed to play 16:40

I don't really have an issue with these guys (and you can include Nieves and Andersson in this) getting short looks and limited ice time in general, but I don't understand why they don't get longer looks and instead we keep going with guys like Smith, McKegg and to a lesser extent Haley who we know don't have anything more to offer
Quinn not as interested in development as he is in winning.
 
In the same way that the organization had circled the post-western Canada trip as Shesterkin's debut (Jan 7 Colorado), I would think a trade will be constructed (if not completed) following the next four games (and into the Jan 22-30 hiatus).

I have no feel for what will happen, but I just don't think Kreider is going. Maybe I'm in denial. Maybe I'm convinced JD sees his value and will find room. Could someone overpay on DeAngelo? The end for Buchnevich must be near, yes? Aside from Jimmy Vesey, I have never been so underwhelmed by a player here.

Something is coming... Right?
Nothing till 2:55 deadline day.
 
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