Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXI

[GoAwayPanarin]

Exactly. Some people are acting like the guy scored 40 points last year instead of 14.

Not that points are the be all end all, but I've never seen this much fuss over a player signing a market value contract.

 

[CLW]

Honestly with Fox we are gonna have to give the 9.5 mill, i just hope its for 8 years. With the cap comparables that 9.5 is a bargain unfortunately given he's the norris winner already.

We're gonna end up with Strome as our 1C for the next 5 years at this rate of wage inflation.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

For some reason I started thinking about John Micheletti. God he is worthless. Do we really have to listen to him for like decades to come?

Never had a problem with him. Seems like a genuine guy.

 

[DudMan28]

Need Makar to win the Norris next year so the comparison to Fox is even more spot on. I’d be fine with 9.5/8 for Fox.

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

For some reason I started thinking about John Micheletti. God he is worthless. Do we really have to listen to him for like decades to come?

Nope.

Luckily Joe Micheletti is the color guy.

 

[nyr2k2]

Joe has some annoying mannerisms and go-to phrases but otherwise he's fine. He's a lot better than many of the other guys out there.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Not that points are the be all end all, but I've never seen this much fuss over a player signing a market value contract.

True. Points aren't the be all and end all especially for a Dman but it seems the Dmen that are getting paid 8+ million are putting up significantly more points.

 

[NYR]

I'm not really seeing the Bargain that everyone else is.

5.75 over 8 years for a defensive defenseman is pretty expensive. He's a good player, but how good will he be when he loses half a step?

You will after this team turns into the Maple Leafs

 

[IDvsEGO]

True. Points aren't the be all and end all especially for a Dman but it seems the Dmen that are getting paid 8+ million are putting up significantly more points.

I mean some of that just reinforces the concept that GM's mostly ignore advanced analytics.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I mean some of that just reinforces the concept that GM's mostly ignore advanced analytics.

Or a Dman that puts up 50 points is actually worth more than somebody who puts up 15.

 

[NYR]

I mean some of that just reinforces the concept that GM's mostly ignore advanced analytics.

As they should lol

 

[PuckLuck3043]

2021 points, Norris trophy voting, and recent contract signing

Fox - 5 goals 42 assists - 1st in Norris voting - probably north of 9mil per
Makar - 8 goals 36 assists - 2nd in Norris voting - 9 mil for 6 year contract
Doug Hamilton - 10 goals 32 assists - 4th in Norris - 9 mil 7 year contract
Darnell Nurse - 16 goals 20 assists - 7th in Norris - 9.25 mil 8 year contract
Adam Pelech - 4 goals 10 assists - Tied 17th in Norris - 5.75 mil 8 year contract

Points matter. Pelech contract was a market value contract, nothing more.

 

[Doctyl]

I'm not really seeing the Bargain that everyone else is.

5.75 over 8 years for a defensive defenseman is pretty expensive. He's a good player, but how good will he be when he loses half a step?

Sure, he isnt a 9M total package dman, but he was objectively really really good

 

[mas0764]

If I had to choose, I 100% re-up Zibs before the season starts. He will drop 50+ on his contract year then bend us over even more

If we are hell bent on resigning him then now is the time to do it.

But I’m not convinced we are.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Sure, he isnt a 9M total package dman, but he was objectively really really good

Never said he wasn't good, I'm just not seeing the steal contract that people are crowing on about.

He's a defensive specialist who is a perfect fit for the system he plays in. He's not waiver wire material getting by in said system like some (Mayfield) but hes also the type of guy who ages terribly and his effectiveness will take a hit when he loses even a little bit of mobility. The contract is pretty fair, not some massive steal some have tried to frame it as.

Also wonder what his game will look like over 82 games in that system (goes for the rest of that crew as well.) I didn't think he had a great playoff.

 

[UnSandvich]

Joe has some annoying mannerisms and go-to phrases but otherwise he's fine. He's a lot better than many of the other guys out there.

coughButchGoringcough

 

[SA16]

Sure, he isnt a 9M total package dman, but he was objectively really really good

The contract assumes last year is his new normal. He never performed like that before. Dom’s model, for example had him worth 1.2 GSVA in 18-19 and 0.9 in 19-20. He now has him projected better than that each of the next seven years. Seems like that’s expecting a lot and is very heavily weighting the previous year

 

[I Eat Crow]

Pelech's cap hit is fair, but the gross part of that contract is the term. Giving any kind of defensive defenseman an 8 year contract is risky. It will be really interesting to see what the Rangers do with Lindgren once his bridge is up.

 

[Tob]

Just got back from Skjei's wedding. Good steaks, average cake, great Jello bar.

 

[Profet]

Just got back from Skjei's wedding. Good steaks, average cake, great Jello bar.

Was Smith there?

He just signed a new contract... So if the pattern continues...

 

[Jauffre]

Sorry if this has been discussed a lot - but is it crazy to already give Fox the C.. or? Crosby was given it what, during his 2nd season? And Fox is a very mature player, obviously a few years older than Sid was.

I'm against Kreider for captain. Mika too but to a lesser extent. Captain Trouba always sounded terrible to me. And Panarin.. yeah no need to go there.. but will; it would be the equivalent of giving Jagr the C because he was our best player, except maybe worse.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

If we are hell bent on resigning him then now is the time to do it.

But I’m not convinced we are.

I don't think anyone is gonna be tricked into thinking last season was what Zibs contract should be based on.

 

[Jauffre]

Imagine if Fox set a standard and took 5 yrs @ $7.5M per or something. He can still make bank when we're forced to pay market price for him later on when he's still only 28-29.

Chances of this are 2.3% by my calculations.

 

[McRanger92]

The criticism of Zibanejad as soft is ridiculous. He doesn't throw big hits and he doesn't grind much, but he is far from a perimeter player. His combination of strength, speed, and the ability to execute at speed makes him almost impossible to handle when he's on his game. We saw a lot of that two years ago when he would barrel through defenses on a regular basis. He just did not have that in him last year except for a handful of games. I hope we get that Zibanejad back this year, because it was incredible to watch.

Mika is the best center the Rangers have had since Messier yet half the fanbase wants to push him out the door for magic beans

 

[McRanger92]

Was Brendan Smith not at Skjei's wedding?

We know he loves weddings. Former defense partner and now teammates again.

Smith got waived half a season into a 4 year deal and people were still clamoring for him to get resigned. This rebuild really messed up the fanbase