Fitzy
Very Stable Genius
- Jan 29, 2009
- 36,372
- 24,185
The last thing we need to be doing right now is spending more money on blueliners.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX
- Thread starter aufheben
- Start date
-
Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
- Status
The last thing we need to be doing right now is spending more money on blueliners.
leetch99
Leetch66 Joined 2007
Is 27 games a year of Kreider being a force enough reason to resign him ? Is that what we need in our top 6 or is that better suited for 3rd line at less money ? Sure we will miss him but hopefully KK and Buch will step up and VK . We might have a painful year without him but we are not void of talent by any means . Chances are we won't win the Cup next season .
Off Sides
Registered User
- Sep 8, 2008
- 9,755
- 5,585
I see the value in Trouba, plays heavy minutes, decent two way game, PK, shot, can be somewhat physical.
Just seems like the Rangers having been chasing an offensive RD forever, Dan Boyle, Shattenkirk, they finally have, in my opinion a better version than the ones they got in those acquisitions in DeAngelo and they may end up trading him away.
Guess it'd depend on the contract he wants but for me it would be the type of thing I wanted to see in the late summer last year when Gardiner was still a FA where you sign them, turn around and trade Skjei. Don't think it happens too often but the money your paying Skjei just goes to them so it's not like your cap changes too much plus your gaining more assets
Trouba brings things the other two guys can't and its unfortunate because if we were in a situation where let's say you had a LHD version of him like Darnell Nurse I wouldn't argue against Fox & Tony over that 8AAV, I think they're more dynamic... but because we don't have that big talented all situations guy on the left side Trouba becomes more of a necessity
SA16
Sixstring
Those guys weren't showing signs of slowing down either. Then they did.
Ladd had 25-21-46 in 78 games.
Lucic had 20-35-55 in 81 games.
Backes had 21-24-45 in 79 games.
Okposo had 22-42-64 in 79 games.
Kreider last year was 28-24-52 in 79 games. Same range as all the others offensively - and the league has been much higher scoring the last two years than when they became FA. Wheeler was always far better than these guys. It's not the right player type to invest in long term for big money and their age.
Last edited:
NYR Viper
Registered User
- Jan 18, 2012
- 35,269
- 53,932
Wat?
That's not something that some people can just 'turn on'. It's creating good habits. It's hard to tell a spoiled child, to stop being spoiled.... Go work hard now. If this is what the organization expected from its players, it's what it's players need to do. It's a part of it. It's not mutually exclusive.
This is the most skilled lineup in decades.... This is a false dichotomy
NYR Viper
Registered User
These moves aren’t made in a vacuum. People said the same thing about Zuccarello and Hayes.
SA16
Sixstring
That sounds like a good excuse to make a bad decision.
You do not need to fill his spot immediately by getting a new player.
You need to keep yourself from giving out what is extremely likely to be a bad contract.
If Kreider gets moved and Strome does get re-signed as a staple in that 2 spot next to Panarin I actually really want to see Chytil lined up next to Mika. He's shown what kinda shot he has, he can beat guys 1 on 1, we might wind up drafting another center this year, it's definitely something I'd like to explore
Mac n Gs
Drury plz
- Jan 17, 2014
- 22,835
- 13,558
The thing with Kreider's contract is what he'll look like in years 3-6 when we need to re-sign crucial RFAs like Chytil, Kakko, Kravtsov, Fox, Shestyorkin, etc. I like Kreider a lot, I really do, but we absolutely cannot shoot ourselves in the foot buying into a guy for his 30s for what we loved about him in his 20s.
Kreider is who he is at this point. He's not going to suddenly get better or become more durable than every other big PF who we've seen break down in their early 30s. Yes, he's big, fast, and strong, but he doesn't have any elite puck skills to help carry him through once his physical abilities start to wear down. He's been a great Ranger, but unless he's willing to stay here on a short-term deal, then I think it's an absolute must to trade him.
Kreider is who he is at this point. He's not going to suddenly get better or become more durable than every other big PF who we've seen break down in their early 30s. Yes, he's big, fast, and strong, but he doesn't have any elite puck skills to help carry him through once his physical abilities start to wear down. He's been a great Ranger, but unless he's willing to stay here on a short-term deal, then I think it's an absolute must to trade him.
Kreider can skate. Those players weren't known for their skating. Erik Cole would be the perfect player to compare him too as far as slowing down in my opinion
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
yup. Too much risk for a player like him on a long-term deal.
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
Erik Cole fell off a cliff after he turned 33, as well.
If Kreider gets a 7-year deal, it'll run from 29-36...
Oscar Lindberg
Registered User
Friedman not saying much in that 31 thoughts
Gorton is going to drag this out as long as possible, that seems to be his style
Gorton is going to drag this out as long as possible, that seems to be his style
I’d be looking to move Skjei + for some help up front if we were to be interested in Krug. He’s just a higher end guy whose game probably looks good next to Trouba. Doubt we show interest.
where we disagree is $6.5 x 5 or at most 6 years isn’t a bad contrast for Kreider. Even if he tops out at 50 points. If he wants the max he won’t get it here and then, good luck Chris.
haohmaru
boomshakalaka
Man, how much would Staal hanging up his skates change the front office approach to TDL?
One can fantasize, I guess.
One can fantasize, I guess.
We go through this every year after Kreider plays with full effort for a game stretch this time of year. If he played like how we played against Carolina every game, Chris wouldn't even be available as a free agent. This is what 5,6,7 years in a row of talking about how valuable Kreider is?
Good new is that a team is going to get that version of Kreider for a stretch run so he can cash out on a deal. Players joke about having their best year during their walk years because they know they are going to get paid. It's just the nature of the beast.
If you get a 1st, and a NHL level prospect that can step in, you have currency to replace Kreider in terms of assets, and cap space, while being flexible for roster upgrades.
It's not a simple binary yes no decision. It's a matter of all factors considered that's constantly repeated in this thread.
The last two weeks don't change that for me, but the last two weeks make me excited about what other teams feel Kreider can be for a stretch run.
Chris is an extremely intelligent guy. Like off the charts smart. He's going to get paid, and I want him to get paid. Just not by the Rangers.
Good new is that a team is going to get that version of Kreider for a stretch run so he can cash out on a deal. Players joke about having their best year during their walk years because they know they are going to get paid. It's just the nature of the beast.
If you get a 1st, and a NHL level prospect that can step in, you have currency to replace Kreider in terms of assets, and cap space, while being flexible for roster upgrades.
It's not a simple binary yes no decision. It's a matter of all factors considered that's constantly repeated in this thread.
The last two weeks don't change that for me, but the last two weeks make me excited about what other teams feel Kreider can be for a stretch run.
Chris is an extremely intelligent guy. Like off the charts smart. He's going to get paid, and I want him to get paid. Just not by the Rangers.
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
Twenty f*ckin years
- Oct 8, 2010
- 80,073
- 17,713
I’d be shocked if we re-sign Kreider at this point. I think he’s gone for sure, it’s just a matter of when.
- Status
