Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[bobbop]

Miller frustrates me to no end, but is Byram really an upgrade on him for looking at the same contract? Unless the plan is to have both.

Big upgrade IMO. That also puts Miller on the clock as a trade chip, something I strongly advocate.

 

[RangersFan1994]

You better be getting much more than sillinger for KAM. Sure he has his awful gaffes but trading for another bottom 6 forward who barely has more points than KAM while creating an even bigger whole at ld would be brutal. I’m not against trading miller but you need to fill in two top ld and a FA will cost more and who knows what’s available via trade. Plus nyr bottom 6 is pretty jammed, sure getting a legit 3c is needed but they either need to clear fwd room and shore up the ld before they’re stuck overpaying to fill the hole

Also I don’t think KAM is a fit Columbus, they already have werenski & mateychuk who is starting to push his way into the top 4 role.

Sillinger is upgrade at 3rd line over Brodzinski. Sillinger is the better more complete player. Rangers have no young centers to replace Chytil. Rangers need to upgrade from AHL vets like Brodzinski on the roster

 

[NYR Viper]

This, to me would ideal return for Kreider outside of Rossi though i don't see a deal there with the Wild.

Crouse is bound to rebound and at $3.3M (w the $1M retained in your proposal) would be great 3rd line forward. If you run Zib as 2C could have a 3rd line of Crouse - Trocheck - Othmann/Berard. That would be one hell of a PITA line that can score.

Or if you move Zib to RW.

Cuylle - Miller - Zib
Panarin - Trocheck - Laff
Crouse - Parssinen - Othmann/Berard
Carrick/Berard - Edstrom - Rempe

That’s my thought too. I think building that tough 3rd line would be better. Trading Kreider opens up an offensive spot for a young player and Crouse fits the bill as a 3rd liner better than Kreider would.

Maybe expand the deal and trade Jones with Kreider (Utah was rumored to be interested in Jones before) and add a 3rd from the Utah side

 

[bobbop]

If you expect Crouse to come here and be a Cuylle style banger, you will be disappointed.

 

[NickyFotiu]

OMG, the sky is falling. A young player didn’t score for 20 games after being recalled to a team that was a dumpster fire and playing on the 4th line.

Watching the games, his line was routinely one of the better forechecking and chance creation lines on the team. He had close to 2 hits per game as well in under 10 minutes of ice time.

People clamor for the need for energy and physical play and this kid put up real numbers in the AHL and looked pretty good by the eye test last year at 22. Why write him off? He has scored at every level he has played at.

Also, talk about someone who plays a PIA style, he’s it. He plays with a swagger the team needs more of and he’s a rink rat. People want another Cuylle? Othmann plays a similar style of game. Even their rookie season AHL stats are similar

I thought Oth looked more NHL ready than Perrault. That should not be surprising given their age, size and experience.

 

[MrAlmost]

I think there is a deal for Byram with Schneider and Othmann. I dont think Laf will be traded and I am not sure Peterka will be traded. Do we have the pieces to add Peterka without giving up Laf or Cuylle or Perreault? That would be the goal. Whatever you get for Kreider (or maybe Kreider himself), Schneider, Othmann, another prospect and a pick. Would that get it done? Probably not but that wouldn't be a bad package.

 

[NYRnine94]

I think there is a deal for Byram with Schneider and Othmann. I dont think Laf will be traded and I am not sure Peterka will be traded. Do we have the pieces to add Peterka without giving up Laf or Cuylle or Perreault? That would be the goal. Whatever you get for Kreider (or maybe Kreider himself), Schneider, Othmann, another prospect and a pick. Would that get it done? Probably not but that wouldn't be a bad package.

Why are we trading so many assets for another winger? It's insane

 

[Vitto79]

That title is so misleading to the article. It's like saying Rempe developed into a top line player for the rangers and then the article is about how important Rempe's role is with the organization when it comes to toughness, speed, forechecking, etc. Or "Rangers nearing trade with Cuylle!" and then the article is about how NYR may trade Cuylle if they're scared of an offersheet or if they can't negotiate a long term cap they're comfortable paying.

Edstrom is better than Rempe
I pray Sullivan isn’t blind and sends Rempe down . The guys a call up AHL fill in

 

[NYRnine94]

Edstrom is better than Rempe
I pray Sullivan isn’t blind and sends Rempe down . The guys a call up AHL fill in

I like Rempe but i agree, he does nothing out there. I'd like to see Edstrom center the 4th line. I assume Carrick will be coming back so i know it won't happen

 

[bernmeister]

Edstrom is better than Rempe
I pray Sullivan isn’t blind and sends Rempe down . The guys a call up AHL fill in

you've always been down on this kid and you are wrong once again as to the bold

 

[RangersFan1994]

I think there is a deal for Byram with Schneider and Othmann. I dont think Laf will be traded and I am not sure Peterka will be traded. Do we have the pieces to add Peterka without giving up Laf or Cuylle or Perreault? That would be the goal. Whatever you get for Kreider (or maybe Kreider himself), Schneider, Othmann, another prospect and a pick. Would that get it done? Probably not but that wouldn't be a bad package.

Get less defensive nd lose physicality on defense. No thanks. Rather move Miller for Byram

 

[duhmetreE]

Edstrom is better than Rempe
I pray Sullivan isn’t blind and sends Rempe down . The guys a call up AHL fill in

He’s a great forechecker.

That line is usually spending time in the ozone cycling. He’s a part of that. I do not know what people are expecting from 4th liners. Rempe just needs to stop dropping the gloves

 

[bernmeister]

Big upgrade IMO. That also puts Miller on the clock as a trade chip, something I strongly advocate.

the KAM hate is counterproductive, selling cheap on him is not smart.

And remember, KAM is a former F. If we do wind up w/enuf quality D somehow, we could always return this guy to F and have him as an emergency depth D.

KAM is an excellent + physical specimen and that is something you just can't teach

 

[surlysailor]

Sillinger is upgrade at 3rd line over Brodzinski. Sillinger is the better more complete player. Rangers have no young centers to replace Chytil. Rangers need to upgrade from AHL vets like Brodzinski on the roster

Ok so you’re robbing Peter to pay Paul. Now you have a 3c even tho you can go miller-z-troch but then your top 4 ld is soucy & jones. Not gonna go very far. If you go get silllenger your better off dealing kreider to cbj for sillinger+ or a prospect like Othmann or berard+ for sillinger. Again trading a 30ish pt top 4 ld for a 30ish pt 3c seems like a bad move when you have no one to replace that top 4 ld

 

[bernmeister]

Get less defensive nd lose physicality on defense. No thanks. Rather move Miller for Byram

that is not smart imo

 

[Vitto79]

you've always been down on this kid and you are wrong once again as to the bold

True I don’t see what others do
What I know is the rest of the league thinks he’s a dangerous plug
The refs hate him
He’s only going to hurt the team whether that’s fair or not

 

[LokiDog]

Why are we trading so many assets for another winger? It's insane

Yeah that’s not that many assets for a 70 point 23 year old winger… let’s hold on to Otthman who is literally 12 months younger and maybe can be a third liner.

 

[bernmeister]

True I don’t see what others do
What I know is the rest of the league thinks he’s a dangerous plug
The refs hate him
He’s only going to hurt the team whether that’s fair or not

false assumption, based on he is strongly improved in that area -- room for further improvement, yes, I agree -- but strongly improved nonetheless. If he continues to build, there refs will react accordingly -- they do not want to appear biased

 

[NYRnine94]

Yeah that’s not that many assets for a 70 point 23 year old winger… let’s hold on to Otthman who is literally 12 months younger and maybe can be a third liner.

If Peterka was never mentioned earlier in the year, nobody would even mention him. He's a good player but i think we should be looking at LD and C if we are trading assets. Now if you say Byram and Peterka, that's completely different since we also get a LD that we need

 

[NYRnine94]

Ok so you’re robbing Peter to pay Paul. Now you have a 3c even tho you can go miller-z-troch but then your top 4 ld is soucy & jones. Not gonna go very far. If you go get silllenger your better off dealing kreider to cbj for sillinger+ or a prospect like Othmann or berard+ for sillinger. Again trading a 30ish pt top 4 ld for a 30ish pt 3c seems like a bad move when you have no one to replace that top 4 ld

This is why i'm not understanding the trade Schneider and trade Miller posts. Who is replacing them?

 

[Machinehead]

We're talking about Crouse again?

He's terrible.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Edstrom is better than Rempe
I pray Sullivan isn’t blind and sends Rempe down . The guys a call up AHL fill in

What a difference a few days make. Brooks who seems to luv saying a NYR player will get offersheeted every off-season said Rempe may get offersheeted a few days ago. I don't remember the amount but somebody posted $4 mill. I don't think Rempe will get a $4 mill offer sheet or any offer sheet but I do view him as a NHL player with some yet to be tapped potential. Its up to Matt to reach it.

 

[LokiDog]

If Peterka was never mentioned earlier in the year, nobody would even mention him. He's a good player but i think we should be looking at LD and C if we are trading assets. Now if you say Byram and Peterka, that's completely different since we also get a LD that we need

I mean, yes, C is a bigger need but Peterka being mentioned was partially due to smoke around him being available, largely due to no one wanting to commit long term in Buffalo and him needing a contract. Part of the trade market isn’t just what you want but what is realistically out there. If Peterka and Byram are out there and we want to acquire young players that fit and change up the makeup of the team fairly dramatically, this is a package that may actually be available which achieves that.


Let me put it this way. Outside of Panarin, does any player on our team elicit a flavor other than vanilla or chocolate? Laf and Cuylle are similar. Othmann is similar. Berard is smaller but similar. Kreider is an older, more successful Cuylle who is slowing down. JT Miller is a more successful similar. A guy like Peterka may actually be a bit of rum raisin in a very same-same lineup. We are one note as possible. We need some Ben and Jerry’s flavors.

A safe, stay home D - basically a Soucy that doesn’t suck - and a third line center (because there’s no bonafide top six C we can afford) are comfortably moves but more of the same. A dynamic puck rushing D with genuine talent and a winger who actually goes hard after every loose puck and has a very good scoring touch at 23 actually changes the mix a bit, for the first time in god knows how long.

 

[lakeshirts37]

Buffalo seems to have no inclination to trade Dallin. They want to move Bynam which makes sense. They traded Middlestadt for Bynam because it was such good value, not because they needed another LHD. He was destined to be traded from the minute he was acquired.

Here my thought…I like Bynam. I think he could be an excellent partner for Fox. Add in Peterka who has been a Ranger target and my guess is that the return could be Lafreniere and a plus.

His surname is Byram.

 

[LokiDog]

His surname is Byram.