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Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVIII ( TDL is March 7th)

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Dont they have assistants etc to help with that crap?
Although based on what we see, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that GMs would only deal with other GMs due to some weird 'status' thing, and that every trade request would have to get faxed back and forth a few times before being agreed to.
 
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noncents said:
i'm very unhappy at what seems like top-4 Soucy next year.

i'm not saying he's a bum, just that he's not a real puck moving D that deserves to play with fox. that's what we lack.
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But is he a steady enough D that can play with Brogen while Miller plays with Fox?

IMO Drury knows he's at least 1 d-man short and will look to address it during the off season
 
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mike14 said:
Dont they have assistants etc to help with that crap?
Although based on what we see, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that GMs would only deal with other GMs due to some weird 'status' thing, and that every trade request would have to get faxed back and forth a few times before being agreed to.
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Yeah it's like a movie has a director and a B unit director taking care of the smaller things. That's what an assistant GM should be.
 
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kovazub94 said:
You’re counting on the average goalie getting or staying hot. The consideration vs top goalie is that there is a much higher likelihood that average goalie ruins good team chances by playing average or worse.
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Not really. It sort of averages out. The Rangers have two decades of proof of that. Hank was like the most consistent goalie in the world for 12 years and even, generally speaking, is agreed to have elevated his game in the playoffs. Average rosters in front of him couldn’t take advantage of arguably the #1-5 goalie in the world, even while elevating and playing pretty damn clutch, to get them over the hump because the roster itself was probably never top 10 in the league (excluding goalies, where Hank would have boosted our overall ranking). Likewise, teams like Chicago won 3x with Huet and Crawford, Pittsburgh with Fleury and Murray, Colorado with Kuemper. A top 5 roster is WAYYYY more likely to elevate a goalie who is simply “good enough” to be one of the 32 starters, or at least a starter on about 25 of the 32 teams. A top 5 goalie, we have SEEN, cannot elevate a mediocre roster to a Cup. We also have like… 30 years of data that agrees with maybe 1-2 exceptions in that span.

How many Cups did Hasek win as a starter? How many goalies in the NHL today have as large an impact as Hasek? Goaltending is - in my opinion - either very last, or tied with wingers for last position you should spend franchise athlete money on. If your goalie (or winger) is your highest paid player…

We have 23.15M tied up in a 34 year old winger and 30 year old goalie before the start of next year (winger for only one year).
 
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mike14 said:
But is he a steady enough D that can play with Brogen while Miller plays with Fox?

IMO Drury knows he's at least 1 d-man short and will look to address it during the off season
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i'm the squad leader of the k'adre on this board and even I think that if you put miller in that position, you need someone to lead the borgen pair with puck moving and mobility.


Passing to break the puck out: this is what kills the Rangers in the playoffs. every f***ing year. they refuse to hire coaches that make it easy on the players, so you need excellent puck movers to stand a chance.

Miller Fox
Soucy Borgen
Vaak Schneider

it's just not good enough.
 
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LokiDog said:
Not really. It sort of averages out. The Rangers have two decades of proof of that. Hank was like the most consistent goalie in the world for 12 years and even, generally speaking, is agreed to have elevated his game in the playoffs. Average rosters in front of him couldn’t take advantage of arguably the #1-5 goalie in the world, even while elevating and playing pretty damn clutch, to get them over the hump because the roster itself was probably never top 10 in the league (excluding goalies, where Hank would have boosted our overall ranking). Likewise, teams like Chicago won 3x with Huet and Crawford, Pittsburgh with Fleury and Murray, Colorado with Kuemper. A top 5 roster is WAYYYY more likely to elevate a goalie who is simply “good enough” to be one of the 32 starters, or at least a starter on about 25 of the 32 teams. A top 5 goalie, we have SEEN, cannot elevate a mediocre roster to a Cup. We also have like… 30 years of data that agrees with maybe 1-2 exceptions in that span.
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Again you’re looking at the teams that won rather than teams that lost. If you’re looking at Hanks tenure just go year by year and find teams among “losers” that were better outside of goalie than the Rangers.
 
noncents said:
i'm the squad leader of the k'adre on this board and even I think that if you put miller in that position, you need someone to lead the borgen pair with puck moving and mobility.


Passing to break the puck out: this is what kills the Rangers in the playoffs. every f***ing year. they refuse to hire coaches that make it easy on the players, so you need excellent puck movers to stand a chance.

Miller Fox
Soucy Borgen
Vaak Schneider

it's just not good enough.
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I think Borgen moves it ok, but moving Miller does stop that pair's ability to skate it out.
No group of 6 D is good enough until it gets it done, and the list of cup winners with 'meh' D playing regular minutes is large.

We do need more skill and mobility back there, but like I said I don't think this ground is complete and Drury will look to make more changes if he sees something he likes at a price he can stomach
 
noncents said:
"what seems like"

they resigned vaak, soucy borgen schneider fox all under contract. miller likely (hopefully) signed long term.

you don't see how one could see the likelihood of this group?
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Soucy and Vaakanainen are easily tradeable in the summer or next season.
 
noncents said:
"what seems like"

they resigned vaak, soucy borgen schneider fox all under contract. miller likely (hopefully) signed long term.

you don't see how one could see the likelihood of this group?
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I could see Vaak being 7th or the Rangers not committing to Soucy given that he was gotten for a 3rd. Also having enough ammo to pull a trade for more proper 1LD partner for Fox.
 
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mike14 said:
But is he a steady enough D that can play with Brogen while Miller plays with Fox?

IMO Drury knows he's at least 1 d-man short and will look to address it during the off season
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I have a feeling he's going after Chychrun this summer, will over pay him, and then miss out on a big 2026 UFA by a 750k difference.
 
kovazub94 said:
Again you’re looking at the teams that won rather than teams that lost. If you’re looking at Hanks tenure just go year by year and find teams among “losers” that were better outside of goalie than the Rangers.
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… so are you just intentionally not a really good poster? Let’s be a team that didn’t win. Cool strategy and brilliant argument. Elite centers and D, with usually 1 elite winger (Kane, Kucherov, etc) win Cups consistently. Teams that have their goalie as their marquee player virtually never do, almost ever. But split hairs and make strawman arguments just because it’s the f***ing flavor of the month here.

How about this… my broke ass will bet $100 that the “best” goalie who ends up with a cup this year is Bobrovsky. If it’s Washington, Vegas, Carolina, Toronto, Colorado, Detroit, Columbus, NJ, Minnesota, Edmonton, LA, Calgary you can Venmo me. If it’s Vasilevsky, Hellebuyck, Shesterkin or Oettinger, I’ll pay you.
 
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Pawnee Rangers said:
There's only like five of us, but speak to our consigliere @bernmeister about the truce.
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What are you worried about Don Pawnee? if they wanted to kill Kreider, he’d be dead already.

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UAGoalieGuy said:
I think the Rangers will either sign or trade for a Fox LD partner. I can also see them bringing back De Haan as a # 8cheap.

Sign/Trade - Fox
Miller - Schneider
Soucy - Borgen
Vaak
De Haan
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I think that really has to be the plan. De Haan being signed is 50/50 but the rest seems spot on. I also don’t believe we can start next year with Kreider, Panarin and Lafreniere in our top six. We can move two, or move one and demote one to the third line (in which case, Kreider is the only that makes sense) but I don’t believe we can have all 3 here if we want to have a much different year.
 
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Going to be a fun off season watching Drury hunt for some one to play with Fox.

After today's trades I would be shocked if they arent in the playoffs.

Once they get there it's going to be just like last year watching the goalies keep them in games. If they can fix their PP issues they may surprise us.
 
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McRanger92 said:
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This is the wrong approach.

Drury needs to find a way to tell them he believes in them while also getting younger and more dynamic. That can also include bigger and tougher but some of these pieces are never gonna be key components of a Cup winner. But they aren't talented enough unless the "enough talent," they are going for is winning a playoff round.

Which you never know with this owner.
 
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