BobMarleyNYR
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See, THESE are '1A' centers. No matter what people say because he's the Rangers top center, Zibanejad only fits into that euation with krejci when you're talking about what COULD be, though for half as long.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVII What will Santa Gorton bring us?
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BobMarleyNYR
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Ghost of jas
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I don’t know how many times it can be said, but even those who have given full-throated approvals have admitted there are no guarantees with this rebuild. I don’t want to follow the same path the Rangers have in the past. Yes, there’s risk in draft picks. That’s why you accumulate as many as possible to increase your odds of hitting on them. Or developing their value so that if the right player becomes available, the assets are there to make a deal.
Dude I don’t think you watch much of Brayden Point if you think Hayes is on his level or even near it. Kid is 22 years old already has a 44 pt a 66pt and already has 41 pts in 29 games this year. That’s like a good year for Hayes. It’s not even close he’s a mvp candidate this year
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@Idlerlee thank you for the comments. It was informative and sometimes some of us (myself definitely included) forget what Zuc means to the country of Norway who is beginning to develop more and more NHLers every year. We all forget he's a national hero and that there was a time when Swedes,Czechs, etc. were rare commodities in the NHL (I remember Miro Horova on the Rangers lol). I know I go too hard on Zuc and it's nothing personal against his country of origin, purely performance/cap based.
As for Quinn being disrespectful, we'll never know what was said or wasn't about the long terms plans for Zuc by management to him last summer. I will say that he does wear an A and when he did come back a few weeks ago, Quinn put him in a prime spot and actually on PP1 moving Chytil to PP2 where many here including myself were annoyed.
I think the trip to Sweden has less to do with disrespecting Zuc and not much to do with "oh look I'm gonna get dinner with Jesper Fast" than to make a good impression with Lundqvist. Love him or hate him at this point, he has a huge ego and a lot of pull in the org. He had enough of AV, we all saw the stare of death last season.
As for Shattenkirk; he fell for hockey cliche #7, he cut his hair and tried to be "mature" after he got married and his big UFA pay day....I kid, I kid although a personal pet peeve of mine is all of a sudden changing the way you are 100% after you get married. The sad thing is, he probably lost between $8-$10 million after the agent gets a cut and taxes by taking the four year deal as opposed to six. He's not going to get another contract like that and at this point I don't even know if he finishes the contract.
As for Quinn being disrespectful, we'll never know what was said or wasn't about the long terms plans for Zuc by management to him last summer. I will say that he does wear an A and when he did come back a few weeks ago, Quinn put him in a prime spot and actually on PP1 moving Chytil to PP2 where many here including myself were annoyed.
I think the trip to Sweden has less to do with disrespecting Zuc and not much to do with "oh look I'm gonna get dinner with Jesper Fast" than to make a good impression with Lundqvist. Love him or hate him at this point, he has a huge ego and a lot of pull in the org. He had enough of AV, we all saw the stare of death last season.
As for Shattenkirk; he fell for hockey cliche #7, he cut his hair and tried to be "mature" after he got married and his big UFA pay day....I kid, I kid although a personal pet peeve of mine is all of a sudden changing the way you are 100% after you get married. The sad thing is, he probably lost between $8-$10 million after the agent gets a cut and taxes by taking the four year deal as opposed to six. He's not going to get another contract like that and at this point I don't even know if he finishes the contract.
On another topic we talk a ton about Panarin and rightfully so but how come we never discuss Mark Stone? He plays exactly the way Quinn wants his team to play. Heck of a player. Looking more and more unlikely he’s resigns with Ottawa. 151 pts in his last 160 games over the last 3 seasons and he doesn’t turn 27 until after the season. Guy is a beast.
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And Zucc has gone more than a month without a real game, not good. When he eats like a horse and spends more time on the couch than normal he gains weight. Better shake it off.
SA16
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Probably just because Panarin has expressed an interest in coming here and Stone hasn't said anything. I think if I were to choose one I'd rather have Stone.
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Here's the thing about Quinn being "disrespectful" to Zuccarello: Zucc is being traded. Sooner rather than later. He's not part of the core – and for as nice a player as he is, and for as relatively popular as he is among the (non-Norwegian) fanbase among current players, he's hardly some Rangers legend. Why should Quinn, embarking on the monumental task of trying to rebuild the Rangers, with a TON on his plate, waste a day to travel to kiss Zucc's ring in Norway, when the player isn't going to be here come February 27th? Frankly, I'd rather he spend the same time huddling with Gorton/his assistant coaches, or reviewing game tape, or whatever the hell else he may have been doing.
Shit, why didn't Zucc, fly to the States to meet Quinn if having a chat was so damn important? Why'd he disrespect Quinn like that?
The whole kerfuffle makes no sense at all unless you place more importance on Zucc's ego than you do on the welfare of the Rangers.
(And BTW, I promise you Quinn knows where Norway is in relation to Sweden; but he couldn't come out and say, "I didn't have time to meet with a guy who's going to be traded halfway through the year" to the media, so instead he made a lame excuse.)
Shit, why didn't Zucc, fly to the States to meet Quinn if having a chat was so damn important? Why'd he disrespect Quinn like that?
The whole kerfuffle makes no sense at all unless you place more importance on Zucc's ego than you do on the welfare of the Rangers.
(And BTW, I promise you Quinn knows where Norway is in relation to Sweden; but he couldn't come out and say, "I didn't have time to meet with a guy who's going to be traded halfway through the year" to the media, so instead he made a lame excuse.)
TheTakedown
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The more i think about this, the more it becomes clear that Gorton wanted UFA flexibility, that's why Hayes was bridged.
If you give Hayes $6M, then Panarin decides he wants to come here, then what? Now you have to straddle $15M on two players, only one is near elite. Hayes himself may not be replacement, but the role he plays on this team can be handled by someone else
If you give Hayes $6M, then Panarin decides he wants to come here, then what? Now you have to straddle $15M on two players, only one is near elite. Hayes himself may not be replacement, but the role he plays on this team can be handled by someone else
Very, very few teams can boast a second line which has legit top line players on it.
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Gorton is going to need a ton of cap flexibility, they have like 10-12 current and future prospects who will all likely need 2nd contracts approximately 3 to 4 years after they were drafted. Some of them may even require long term relatively expensive extensions right off their entry level deals. It's not as if these 2nd contracts are 6 years away where any 5 year contract would be off the books, It starts right after the 2021 season with Chytil, Lias, Howden, Lindgren, Hajek. And it's not as if that ends it, they just added a whole other group behind them at the 2018 draft, and likely will do so again at the 2019 draft.
We aren't going to need to re-sign all of our prospects. Some won't pan out. And IF most do, then you can package a couple to get an established player for an area of need when the window has opened again. Its not something to seriously be worrying about right now OR affecting whether you pursue Panarin or not.
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Move Hayes.
Move Zucc.
Obtain 3 1st round picks this year.
Finish near the bottom, we need a top 3 pick badly.
Sign Panarin in the off-season.
Watch out 2020!
Move Zucc.
Obtain 3 1st round picks this year.
Finish near the bottom, we need a top 3 pick badly.
Sign Panarin in the off-season.
Watch out 2020!
Rangers are pretty fortunate this didn't happen in 2 months. Groin injuries are a tricky thing. Best to have him rest and get some games under belt geared towards boosting his trade value than whatever the hell has been going on. It benefits both parties, so hopefully Zucc brings a little pride back his game and gets a proper sendoff.
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I'm not trying to say all of them will make it or require longer term deals right off their entry levels, but realistically at this point they have some prospects on the current NHL team, some in the AHL, some who have not gone pro yet, some overseas, many of which seems to be doing pretty well in their respective leagues. If they also add to those groups at this deadline and the next draft, and they too are showing a positive trajectory post draft/trade, I can conceivable think that is going to be a lot of 2nd contracts (both longer term and bridge) all within a relatively short time period.
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You know what else would open the door cap wise? Ridding this team of Staal and Smiths contract. Hell even Vlads. Would help you re-sign your 2nd line center and easily one of your best players.
HatTrick Swayze
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If JG executes a Hayes trade for the type of package he is trending towards, Ive gotta give him a lot of credit.
Hayes is clearly playing like he is motivated to get paid. Given that the org probably decided he wasn’t in the LT plans last summer, the one year deal makes him motivated to perform and maximizes the number of suitors.
There is also risk with the one year deal (injury) and it may reduce some offers from teams worried he wouldn’t re-sign, but overall have to think his value is trending as high as it has been.
Hayes is clearly playing like he is motivated to get paid. Given that the org probably decided he wasn’t in the LT plans last summer, the one year deal makes him motivated to perform and maximizes the number of suitors.
There is also risk with the one year deal (injury) and it may reduce some offers from teams worried he wouldn’t re-sign, but overall have to think his value is trending as high as it has been.
Which is why very few teams are legitimate cup contenders. However, that's still the ultimate goal. Now is not the time to settle for "decent" or anything of the sort.
Considering they have an $8M goalie coming off the books in a few years and are jettisoning veterans until further notice, I think they'll be just fine.
Winston2018
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Bottom line is that we are going to trade Hayes for a shot at drafting a player with a higher ceiling than Hayes. I have to say he looks strong and confident with the puck and has been dictating play but his value is near peak and we have been there with Step,Staal,Girardi etc...Let's get someone at 18 years old with a higher ceiling.
Glen Sathers Cigar
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Yep, if Gorton decides to not re-sign Hayes, it's not going to be because of the cost. If he wants Hayes back and thinks he really is a long term 2C, he will make room to also add Panarin or whoever. Buy out or trade Staal or Smith, trade Vladdy, not re-signing Zucc and the cap going up all give Gorton room to maneuver.
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