Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVII What will Santa Gorton bring us?

[Matt4776]

All good points. For the record, I do see Artemi as a gamebreaker above the other forwards, but for the sake of discussion, if he doesn't sign in NY. Which is possible. What are some other guys you'd be willing to consider?

Stone is a great example. Below are some of my thoughts. With the UFA, a likely contract value. Will they age well, which is essentially saying if the legs will hold up, and the guy is athletically gifted.

UFA	Potential Cap Hit	Age Well?	Value to Rangers
Panarin	7 x $9.5M	5 Years	Game-breaking 1st line player
Duchene	7 x $9M	Yes. 7 Years. IMO he's Patrick Marleau	Legit top-line center, but not a PPG player. Gives Rangers 4 excellent lines with their youth.
Ferland	4 x $3.5M	No. 3 years. Too rough and tumble of a game.	Adds toughness and compete level with goal scoring from the bottom six. Has shown to be a very capable complimentary player in the top 6. Closest thing to the Tom Wilson role you can find.
Tanev	4 x $1.8M	Yes. Excellent Skater.	Ideal 4th line winger that can play on a 3rd unit. All hustle and effort, but is one of the better controlled entry forwards in the bottom 6 in the league. Very valuable player imo despite any fanfare.
Stone	7 x $9M	No. 4 Years. Not a great skater	PPG version of Jere Lehtinen. Leadership qualities. 1st line production, but not for long.
Silfverberg	5 x $5M	4 years. Not an elite skater.	Would be a great value pick-up imo. Excellent shot, but doesn't create his own chances. PP threat, 25 goal man.
Dzingle	4 x $3.5M	Yes. Elite skater	Utility player that would fit nicely into the Hagelin role. Swiss army knife player on the bottom 6 and PK, while putting up 30 points.

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Personally, I'd avoid any long-term free agents that aren't elite talents. I want to see what we have in a lot of guys.

For forwards, we have the following locked up beyond next year:

Zibby, Chytil, Andersson, Howden, Namestnikov, Strome, Kreider, Vesey, Fast, Buch (no contract but RFA), and Beleskey. We also have Kravtsov, and likely whoever we take high in the 1st this year (unless its Byram) waiting in the wings. There is also always a possibility we are surprised by players like Barron, Hughes, any later 1sts/picks we get in 2019.etc.

At this stage of our rebuild, we have too many NHL-caliber players and too many unknowns to be giving multiple-year deals to anyone that isn't a game-breaker IMO.

I'm with you on Duchene and Panarin. I agree to stay away from Stone. I don't want anyone else on that list.

 

[kovazub94]

All good points. For the record, I do see Artemi as a gamebreaker above the other forwards, but for the sake of discussion, if he doesn't sign in NY. Which is possible. What are some other guys you'd be willing to consider?

Stone is a great example. Below are some of my thoughts. With the UFA, a likely contract value. Will they age well, which is essentially saying if the legs will hold up, and the guy is athletically gifted.

UFA	Potential Cap Hit	Age Well?	Value to Rangers
Panarin	7 x $9.5M	5 Years	Game-breaking 1st line player
Duchene	7 x $9M	Yes. 7 Years. IMO he's Patrick Marleau	Legit top-line center, but not a PPG player. Gives Rangers 4 excellent lines with their youth.
Ferland	4 x $3.5M	No. 3 years. Too rough and tumble of a game.	Adds toughness and compete level with goal scoring from the bottom six. Has shown to be a very capable complimentary player in the top 6. Closest thing to the Tom Wilson role you can find.
Tanev	4 x $1.8M	Yes. Excellent Skater.	Ideal 4th line winger that can play on a 3rd unit. All hustle and effort, but is one of the better controlled entry forwards in the bottom 6 in the league. Very valuable player imo despite any fanfare.
Stone	7 x $9M	No. 4 Years. Not a great skater	PPG version of Jere Lehtinen. Leadership qualities. 1st line production, but not for long.
Silfverberg	5 x $5M	4 years. Not an elite skater.	Would be a great value pick-up imo. Excellent shot, but doesn't create his own chances. PP threat, 25 goal man.
Dzingle	4 x $3.5M	Yes. Elite skater	Utility player that would fit nicely into the Hagelin role. Swiss army knife player on the bottom 6 and PK, while putting up 30 points.

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Unless we sign Panarin I’d rather pass on UFA market.

 

[Waivers]

Hayes for a 1/2D, Zuccarello for a 1st+, 2/3 1st round picks depending if Tampa wins this year, insert Panarin and maybe Kravtsov. Barring everyone remains healthy, this team is better next year, and the future is bright.

 

[bobbop]

For those wanting to keep hayes, this is the option I feel is most likely if they do intend to keep him, on the wing where our depth is weakest. I've been on the trade side because of the lack of wing depth but if he moves that might help solve a problem in house.

He can make more money as a center somewhere else. A lot more money,

 

[Fitzy]

My guess is Hayes gets 6 x 6 or 7 x 5.7 on the open market.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

He can make more money as a center somewhere else. A lot more money,

Then I guess he really doesnt want to stay then...I'll take the picks and prospects please.

 

[Vitto79]

Then I guess he really doesnt want to stay then...I'll take the picks and prospects please.

Yea unless this works on RW he has to go . Too many kid Cs that need ice time

Andersson not playing enough

 

[Mikos87]

A good comparable for Hayes would be the Dubi deal.

Look at the numbers, and the role he plays. I know Dubi played wing a lot at the end with the Rangers, but in CLB he's that shutdown center that puts up 45 points. Dubi got a long term deal at $5.8M which doesn't look so great today.

I think to @bobbop 's point... Hayes is going to top that.

 

[Mac n Gs]

A good comparable for Hayes would be the Dubi deal.

Look at the numbers, and the role he plays. I know Dubi played wing a lot at the end with the Rangers, but in CLB he's that shutdown center that puts up 45 points. Dubi got a long term deal at $5.8M which doesn't look so great today.

I think to @bobbop 's point... Hayes is going to top that.

Dubi's contract was for 6 years and 8.48% of the cap when he signed, so if they signed equivalent deals, Hayes' AAV would be $7.03M over 6 years. I don't think he gets that much.

 

[CasusBelli]

Hayes for a 1/2D, Zuccarello for a 1st+, 2/3 1st round picks depending if Tampa wins this year, insert Panarin and maybe Kravtsov. Barring everyone remains healthy, this team is better next year, and the future is bright.

I think your valuations (especially Zuke’s) are a bit aggressive. Zuke hasn’t played much this year and has been plagued by injury; Hayes is in the last year of his contract. We’ll have to take a haircut on both — though I’d be far more comfortable with re-signing Hayes (without an NTC) for a few years and dealing him on draft day or at the next deadline (when overpayments abound). I don’t see how Zuke’s value could rise; injury frequencies tend to increase, and production tends to decrease, with age. He needs to go at the deadline.

 

[offdacrossbar]

Irregardless of where he plays, when Hayes is gone there will be a talent void the size of henrik lundqvists ego.

And that size deficit can’t be filled with mid 1sts and a so-so prospect.

Kevin Hayes, if anyone cares to watch, is a very very good ice hockey player on a team that could use more of those guys. Not less.

He’s perhaps our best most complete player but for maybe 93. Certainly they are 1A and 1B.

If the new thing is play him at wing and go 93 21 50 down the road, this team with Hayes at center or wing is still better than they will be when he’s moved for less than his value.

The return better blow me away. 6/6 I would do

 

[Tawnos]

Irregardless of where he plays, when Hayes is gone there will be a talent void the size of henrik lundqvists ego.

And that size deficit can’t be filled with mid 1sts and a so-so prospect.

Kevin Hayes, if anyone cares to watch, is a very very good ice hockey player on a team that could use more of those guys. Not less.

He’s perhaps our best most complete player but for maybe 93. Certainly they are 1A and 1B.

If the new thing is play him at wing and go 93 21 50 down the road, this team with Hayes at center or wing is still better than they will be when he’s moved for less than his value.

The return better blow me away. 6/6 I would do

So much exaggeration.

 

[bobbop]

He can make more money as a center somewhere else. A lot more money,

My point is that he is worth more and will get a bigger contract as a center than as a right wing. I think it was obvious this summer that the Rangers weren't willing to pay him solid second line center dough. I just don't see a deal happening there.

On the other hand, I share @offdacrossbar's point that the return better be real good. A first and a very good prospect (like a Martin Kaut or Adam Fox) anytime after January 1 would suite me.

 

[QJL]

Really looks like Gorton hit a home run in the 2018 draft. Kravtsov and Miller have both risen in a re-draft, especially Miller. Lundkvist has picked up his play. Keane has had a very good development year. Ragnarsson has been decent. Overall, I wouldn’t be surprised to see all 5 crack the NHL, two of which are showing elite upside.

 

[Good Intentions]

My guess is Hayes gets 6 x 6 or 7 x 5.7 on the open market.

my guess is that you really just wanted to type numbers with x x 6 x 6 x 7 x 7 x 6.5

 

[egelband]

I say leave Hank alone. I literally don't care if he's the difference between picking 3rd and picking 8th. He's Henrik Lundqvist.

I agree. I have a ton of appreciation for Henrik. I don’t agree with people who ‘feel sorry’ for him. He’s fine. But i agree, leave him alone. He wants to stay and will and that’s great. Im glad we have such a star want to be with us.

 

[offdacrossbar]

So much exaggeration.

not really.

hes playing very well. hes our best 2 way forward without question and hes upping that value daily.

my point is the better he plays the more he shows his value here and elsewhere. when hes gone, its going to be a lot harder replacing him than it was replacing rick nash- the 8 mil dollar "tries hard and does stuff guy".

the return better be market value or higher before i let him go for maybes and hope so's.

 

[mike14]

Irregardless of where he plays,

Urgh. Please, for the love of the grammar gods, just use 'regardless'.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

So much exaggeration.

Agreed...we arent talking about Messier here, it's more like losing Anisimov.

 

[LORDE]

So much exaggeration.

And irreguardless?!?!

Not even a word. Yeesh ;-)

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Irregardless of where he plays, when Hayes is gone there will be a talent void the size of henrik lundqvists ego.

And that size deficit can’t be filled with mid 1sts and a so-so prospect.

Kevin Hayes, if anyone cares to watch, is a very very good ice hockey player on a team that could use more of those guys. Not less.

He’s perhaps our best most complete player but for maybe 93. Certainly they are 1A and 1B.

If the new thing is play him at wing and go 93 21 50 down the road, this team with Hayes at center or wing is still better than they will be when he’s moved for less than his value.

The return better blow me away. 6/6 I would do

Zibanejad is not a 1A and is more of a 2A trying to become a 1B, and certainly on the road. Hayes is a 2B cementing himself as 2A. I think it's been such a long time since they've had a really good C core that people are getting ahead of themselves... don't lose sight of the big picture... Hayes, despite how he's only now getting a chance, has never hit 50 pts. Zibanejad, though 25-26 and rounding out as a pro, has never hit 60... both are looking good. Neither is quite what you're saying. I personally think both will shake out to be 1Bs for a tear or two.

1A/B centers play like 1 A/B centers regardless of their linemates/coaches and there's usually no doubt about it before 26.

 

[duhmetreE]

Irregardless is a word, regardless of your perceived thought.

 

[Kupo]

Really looks like Gorton hit a home run in the 2018 draft. Kravtsov and Miller have both risen in a re-draft, especially Miller. Lundkvist has picked up his play. Keane has had a very good development year. Ragnarsson has been decent. Overall, I wouldn’t be surprised to see all 5 crack the NHL, two of which are showing elite upside.

Aside for Lindbom, I loved our picks.

 

[Kupo]

Urgh. Please, for the love of the grammar gods, just use 'regardless'.

Irregardless is my top-3 most hated words..

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Irregardless is my top-3 most hated words..

The worst is when people say "could of"