Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVII What will Santa Gorton bring us?

[DutchShamrock]

If the Rangers iced a worse roster, Henrik would probably play better.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

It would have to get a bit ugly (aka NYR will never do it), but it’s not impossible.

He has a NTC/NMC. The call is his, not theirs. Of anyone on the team, hes earned that right.

Maybe he changes his mind a few months from now if shit really goes down the tubes, but there is literally nothing they can do short of benching him for no reason or kidnapping his family.

 

[Machinehead]

I say leave Hank alone. I literally don't care if he's the difference between picking 3rd and picking 8th. He's Henrik Lundqvist.

 

[Avery16]

Even though we got some good picks and players in exchange for Graves and Leetch (and then mismanaged them) we should have never made those moves. Those were painful days for so many.

 

[bobbop]

Panarin is the top free agent to be. Stone isn’t far off. I’ll take either although my preference is Panarin.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Even though we got some good picks and players in exchange for Graves and Leetch (and then mismanaged them) we should have never made those moves. Those were painful days for so many.

That was a smart move, got assets for Leetch who was done anyway.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The obvious is that both Names and Zuke are not ready yet.

Zuc and Buch are a no go.

 

[Avery16]

That was a smart move, got assets for Leetch who was done anyway.

And which of those so called assets did anything for us? Leetch was a PPG D for Toronto the rest of that season, and a .5 PPG D for Boston the next season. He might have stayed longer if with us.

 

[Leetch3]

Panarin is the top free agent to be. Stone isn’t far off. I’ll take either although my preference is Panarin.

I don’t think they are that close. Panarin has been a ppg player stone is solid but he’s not close to that

 

[kovazub94]

Zuc and Buch are a no go.

Buch was more or less a given but don’t they also need Namestnikov and Zuke our for both Beleskey and Schneider to be in the lineup?

 

[Der Jaeger]

I can't see the proposal and I'd wager a good number of my fellow Rangers fans can't either, which should maybe give you a sense of how we generally view trade ideas from this poster.

Regarding your question, I don't think anyone on the Rangers is untouchable given the state of the rebuild, but IMO the two guys you just named are currently tabbed as part of the core going forward, and Zibanejad in particular is currently performing at the level of a 1st line center at the cost of a 2/3C, to boot, so he'd be super expensive. For Zibby, I think you're paying the St. Louis 1st, another 1st, a grade-A prospect, and a grade-B prospect – if not more. Andersson is a lot harder to judge, but my guess would be a 1st plus a prospect not named Dahlin.

2019 1st, Bailey, and Borgen for Andersson?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

2019 1st, Bailey, and Borgen for Andersson?

Non

 

[egelband]

He has a NTC/NMC. The call is his, not theirs. Of anyone on the team, hes earned that right.

Maybe he changes his mind a few months from now if **** really goes down the tubes, but there is literally nothing they can do short of benching him for no reason or kidnapping his family.

Kidnapping still on the table.

Excellent.

 

[Fitzy]

I say leave Hank alone. I literally don't care if he's the difference between picking 3rd and picking 8th. He's Henrik Lundqvist.

If NYR are out of the playoff picture and sell at the deadline, they should reduce Hank's workload a bit for the rest of the year, and get a better idea of what they have in Georgiev.

Let him go try to win another gold for Sweden at the WC's.

 

[Machinehead]

If NYR are out of the playoff picture and sell at the deadline, they should reduce Hank's workload a bit for the rest of the year, and get a better idea of what they have in Georgiev.

Let him go try to win another gold for Sweden at the WC's.

This, I agree with.

No reason to kill him. Plus, we wanna keep him healthy long-term for 500.

 

[Machinehead]

He's won 9 of 21. If we give him 55 starts at the same pace, that's 24 wins.

Would take him to 455. He could potentially be two seasons away at that point.

 

[Tob]

I have a very strong feeling that Cole Schneider will be our one true 4th liner to break through the shroud and go where he predecessors could not go.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I have a very strong feeling that Cole Schneider will be our one true 4th liner to break through the shroud and go where he predecessors could not go.

To the press box rather than back down to hartford?

 

[Avery16]

Brooks has Schneider called up purely as a precaution. I don't think theres anything out there to suggest otherwise.

 

[Mikos87]

I'm not zeroing in on Panarin because he can just "help the Rangers." I'm zeroing in on him because you need multiple high-end players and there's not a big chance of drafting and developing as many as we need. Otherwise, I think the timing is too early to be signing lesser UFAs.

Agreed, though Mark Stone would be the other good get this offseason.

It's not only adding Panarin but also for arguments sake let's say Kravstov and a Kakko/Cozens/Dach/Podkolzin and maybe a Turcotte/Newhook with a mid-1st.

That's beefing up the top-6 and pushing everyone else into more favorable roles.

We also don't know what Virta and Pajuniemi may or may not be able to do. I know it's a longshot, but maybe one develops into a Mikael Rendberg aka "The Sidekick" you can throw on a top or 2nd line, keep up, and still produce.

The D is going to be interesting. At minimum one of Staal/Smith/Shattenkirk will be off the team come September 2019. Probably Smith with salary retained.

Panarin is the top free agent to be. Stone isn’t far off. I’ll take either although my preference is Panarin.

All good points. For the record, I do see Artemi as a gamebreaker above the other forwards, but for the sake of discussion, if he doesn't sign in NY. Which is possible. What are some other guys you'd be willing to consider?

Stone is a great example. Below are some of my thoughts. With the UFA, a likely contract value. Will they age well, which is essentially saying if the legs will hold up, and the guy is athletically gifted.

UFA	Potential Cap Hit	Age Well?	Value to Rangers
Panarin	7 x $9.5M	5 Years	Game-breaking 1st line player
Duchene	7 x $9M	Yes. 7 Years. IMO he's Patrick Marleau	Legit top-line center, but not a PPG player. Gives Rangers 4 excellent lines with their youth.
Ferland	4 x $3.5M	No. 3 years. Too rough and tumble of a game.	Adds toughness and compete level with goal scoring from the bottom six. Has shown to be a very capable complimentary player in the top 6. Closest thing to the Tom Wilson role you can find.
Tanev	4 x $1.8M	Yes. Excellent Skater.	Ideal 4th line winger that can play on a 3rd unit. All hustle and effort, but is one of the better controlled entry forwards in the bottom 6 in the league. Very valuable player imo despite any fanfare.
Stone	7 x $9M	No. 4 Years. Not a great skater	PPG version of Jere Lehtinen. Leadership qualities. 1st line production, but not for long.
Silfverberg	5 x $5M	4 years. Not an elite skater.	Would be a great value pick-up imo. Excellent shot, but doesn't create his own chances. PP threat, 25 goal man.
Dzingle	4 x $3.5M	Yes. Elite skater	Utility player that would fit nicely into the Hagelin role. Swiss army knife player on the bottom 6 and PK, while putting up 30 points.

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I was like wut with Tanev until I realized you were talking about Brandon lol.

 

[Avery16]

Hot take:

Kreider/Zibanejad/Hayes is a monster line that will have an immediate impact. Hayes will continue on the W, at least until both Zuc and Buch are back.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I bet Tanev gets overpaid in FA and given a third line role

 

[Mikos87]

I was like wut with Tanev until I realized you were talking about Brandon lol.

I bet Tanev gets overpaid in FA and given a third line role

He hasn't played enough games or produced offense to get a very high number, but I see more value in him than others might. He does play on the 3rd line in WPG, and that line goes up against top line competition without any issue.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

For those wanting to keep hayes, this is the option I feel is most likely if they do intend to keep him, on the wing where our depth is weakest. I've been on the trade side because of the lack of wing depth but if he moves that might help solve a problem in house.