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Speculation: Roster Building thread - Part XVII - (TDL is March 7th)

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kovazub94 said:
I do have issue with your binary - "if you win a cup - it's fine, if you don't - it's not" because this approach is based off availability of a hindsight.
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I wasn't advocating for that approach, merely suggesting that if we had won a cup as a result of it, it's hard to say that Drury did something wrong. At the end of the day, the results are the results.

I fundamentally disagree with what Neil Smith did at the deadline in 1994, but we won the cup, the only one we have in the last 84 years. Would we have won that cup if we hadn't made all those moves? I think there's an extremely good chance that we would have, but we'll never know, so in hindsight it's hard to say he did the wrong thing.

Drury doesn't have the benefit of hindsight. His moves didn't produce the result we wanted. We're worse off today than we were 3 years ago and have nothing to show for it.
 
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Rangerboy bringing up LAK is interesting.

I'd be interested in a move around Panarin for Fiala and futures. Los Angeles is kind of in a shit or get off the pot spot themselves and could be convinced Panarin's star power would be their missing link to actually compete.

Fiala is a younger, cheaper and faster player, plays both wings. We need to recoup some draft capital too. Even if only to find a another top-4 defenseman in another trade ala Vancouver with Petterson.
 
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McRanger92 said:
Rangers are in position to put together a package that gets Brady Tkachuk. Lafreniere, Perreault, Schneider as the primary pieces. I'm not saying its definitely will happen, but if things break right it's very predictable. And if Brady gets to choose his destination and prefers the Northeast, the Rangers have the best setup for him...despite some of our lunatic fans thinking the devils are an enticing spot for anyone.
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1. no, too much in the wrong currency
2. If we commit to Rant/BT, we can forget about having lots of cap for flexibility to do other stuff, and also, the exception might be McDavid in the highly unlikely event he walks, that would suck the cap oxygen out of the room there
 
TheDirtyH said:
Rangerboy bringing up LAK is interesting.

I'd be interested in a move around Panarin for Fiala and futures. Los Angeles is kind of in a shit or get off the pot spot themselves and could be convinced Panarin's star power would be their missing link to actually compete.

Fiala is a younger, cheaper and faster player, plays both wings. We need to recoup some draft capital too. Even if only to find a another top-4 defenseman in another trade ala Vancouver with Petterson.
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Panarin is very much not an LA style player tho. Their ideal is hard-working, two-way players strong on the boards etc, not perimeter fairies.

As for a top pair D to play with Fox; Vince Dunn is a good 1LD that could be available from Seattle as they regroup (local media speculation) - but he would cost a good young NHL player + a good D prospect (like Fortescue) I'd imagine.
 
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GAGLine said:
I wasn't advocating for that approach, merely suggesting that if we had won a cup as a result of it, it's hard to say that Drury did something wrong. At the end of the day, the results are the results.

I fundamentally disagree with what Neil Smith did at the deadline in 1994, but we won the cup, the only one we have in the last 84 years. Would we have won that cup if we hadn't made all those moves? I think there's an extremely good chance that we would have, but we'll never know, so in hindsight it's hard to say he did the wrong thing.

Drury doesn't have the benefit of hindsight. His moves didn't produce the result we wanted. We're worse off today than we were 3 years ago and have nothing to show for it.
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Nothing to show for it is the name of the game since only one team wins it all so it is a gamble when your chance of success is in low teens at best.

Neil Smith is a good example too. I'm glad that you are satisfied that he brought the only cup in 84 years but who's to say that he didn't rob the Rangers off a few cups in that era. Not only but one break here or there in NJD series and even that Cup is not there.

Again, the way GMs have to evaluated is whether they give their teams the best chance to win, at what cost and how damaging these decisions are long term. Did he spend draft capital? Sure but we need to look if it was warranted (from the point of view when these moves were made) and how damaging long-term these decisions were. Drury is probably not winning GM of the year award just yet but better part of his actions have been largely justified IMO. My biggest problem over his whole tenure is P Kane trade - completely unnecessary and came at a cost of not only direct assets spent but also an opportunity to create more depth in the bottom-6. Some trades work out as designed, some don't and the question is if these were badly "designed" from the start or there were other factors like coach's decisions or maybe players performance not producing as expected in a short window etc
 
TheDirtyH said:
Rangerboy bringing up LAK is interesting.

I'd be interested in a move around Panarin for Fiala and futures. Los Angeles is kind of in a shit or get off the pot spot themselves and could be convinced Panarin's star power would be their missing link to actually compete.

Fiala is a younger, cheaper and faster player, plays both wings. We need to recoup some draft capital too. Even if only to find a another top-4 defenseman in another trade ala Vancouver with Petterson.
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EF mentioned LA.

Love Fiala.
 
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Rantanen? Are the Rangers finding a way to dump some of their huge contracts? The Rangers really need to upgrade their D. No BS. This GM is obsessed with collecting forwards.

Kreider needs to go. His buddy needs to go too. He has a NMC. He loves living in NY. I don't know but when the team asks you waive your clause, your time with the team is up. Trouba was in the same situation last summer. The Rangers wanted him out and his agent did everything possible to keep his client in NY. It was a disaster. Trouba never felt comfortable. You know Zibanejad will be an emotional wreck. His confidence is so fragile. Panarin is entering the last season of his contract. Are the Rangers allowing him to walk next summer? Extension? Trade? Panarin waives his NMC this July with the understanding there will be a 2 or 3 year extension waiting for him to sign.
 
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CLW said:
Panarin is very much not an LA style player tho. Their ideal is hard-working, two-way players strong on the boards etc, not perimeter fairies.

As for a top pair D to play with Fox; Vince Dunn is a good 1LD that could be available from Seattle as they regroup (local media speculation) - but he would cost a good young NHL player + a good D prospect (like Fortescue) I'd imagine.
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LA could use a few perimeter fairies.

probably not Panarin, but someone needs to be able to get the puck to their big guys. It’s been part of their issue.

If they want AP, I’d be more than happy to send him there.

Cmox said:
Insider: Marquee Teams Named Who Will "Move a Mountain" To Try To Sign Rantanen in Free Agency
I saw it referenced here
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Thanks for flagging this down.
 
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CLW said:
Panarin is very much not an LA style player tho. Their ideal is hard-working, two-way players strong on the boards etc, not perimeter fairies.

As for a top pair D to play with Fox; Vince Dunn is a good 1LD that could be available from Seattle as they regroup (local media speculation) - but he would cost a good young NHL player + a good D prospect (like Fortescue) I'd imagine.
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Their PP sucks though. And they arent going to get past Edmonton with hard work and the power of friendship. they are really missing an elite offensive player. I could definitely see them being sold on panarin on a 1 year deal.
 
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Their PP sucks though. And they arent going to get past Edmonton with hard work and the power of friendship. they are really missing an elite offensive player. I could definitely see them being sold on panarin on a 1 year deal.
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Yeah, haven’t they lost to Edmonton in the first round for the past 3 years?
 
GoAwayPanarin said:
Where is the Rantanen stuff coming from?
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the usual clickbait nonsense

RangerBoy said:
Vince has returned from diaper duty. He was complaining about the Rangers trading away so many draft picks and players like Kakko and Chytil will result in the Rangers having to pursue players in free agency and trades to fill the holes. Did Vince just realize these factors because I remember him supporting the trades Drury made for the rentals to win right away? Does that ever really work?



Drury has emptied the draft pick vault with nothing to show for it.

Vince mentioned Gabe Perreault possibly playing for the Rangers this season. Staple and Baugh also mentioned that could happen. The Rangers would start the ELC this season. Maybe that's part of the deal to turn pro. The Flyers and Gauthier problems started when the interim regime lead by Briere told him to wait a few months before turning pro after the previous Fletcher regime apparently had an understanding with the player turning pro as soon as BC was finished playing. Where will Perreault play? LW is still overcrowded. Kreider is still here.

Perreault and Othmann would help replace the void of losing Kakko and Chytil. They need meaningful minutes. Even a player like Sykoa. The Rangers need a player like him. Good two way player. He can skate. His offensive game is getting better in his 2nd AHL season. Third line winger. That's what you are looking for.


Cirelli is a very good role player. I would trade Kreider for Cirelli. TB hangs up the phone.
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well good thing Perreault is a RW…
 
I would simply not be trading for Rantanen. Has not looked the same without MacKinnon. Carolina would take the Rangers lunch money here. Carolina isn’t going to trade him for less than they gave up
 
Hopefully Carolina loses Ranantnen or gets next to nothing back for him. I wouldn't want to be the team to make him the highest paid winger in the NHL. Very good player but no thanks.
 
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Bacon Artemi Bravo said:
Hopefully Carolina loses Ranantnen or gets next to nothing back for him. I wouldn't want to be the team to make him the highest paid winger in the NHL. Very good player but no thanks.
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you're seeing it all wrong here.

if you assume we move kreid+panarin, and you consider the vast spectrum of dumb things we could do with that cap space, signing Rantanen to be the highest paid winger in the NHL starts looking pretty good.
 
who's better jt miller or mike modano

im still buying this team over the next 3 yrs with JT as 1C. move panarin kreids and lindgren for some assets, find fox a partner and - as someone else said - get young wings to do the dirty work so the older Cs can do their thing. 1 more vet W to supplement our youth is a good idea. I prefer Kempe to Fiala...

Kempe Miller Lafreniere
Cuylle Zibanejad Perreault
Othmann Trocheck Berard
Edstrom Carrick whoever
Rempe
 
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