Speculation: Roster Building thread - Part XVII - (TDL is March 7th)

[The Crypto Guy]

The sens are not trading Brady. I wish people would stop with this dream. His trade value is about as high as it can be. Laf would have to start having 80 point seasons before we would be in any conversation.

 

[leetch99]

Dobson has new reps for his next contract. Lou doesn't use the NHL GM group chat

Watch the Blues

Theodore will be out until start of the playoffs. Week to week is nine week to weeks. Theodore was seen wearing a cast on his hand/arm

Brock Nelson. Can the Islanders win while he still game left in his body? Nelson is asking that question. Nelson is 32 years old.

Marchand wants to stay in Boston

Kings are looking for a right handed shooting scoring forward. The Rangers have someone fitting that description.

Watch the two days next week between the games on Sunday and the final on Thursday. The players report on the 18th. Tuesday and Wednesday for trades.

A friend of mine helped Dion Phaneuf launch his boat a few years ago and Dobson was also there and the conservation did come up on his deal at that time and how Lou put the screws to him on it.....that is likely why he has a new rep on this negotiation . I hope he hurts them ....

 

[McRanger92]

The sens are not trading Brady. I wish people would stop with this dream. His trade value is about as high as it can be. Laf would have to start having 80 point seasons before we would be in any conversation.

We'll see how much Brady wants to be a Senator when they miss the playoffs again and his NMC kicks in. There will be bidding for his services in the summer. I assume the Rangers, Devils and Flyers will be the primary teams involved.

 

[McRanger92]

Vince has returned from diaper duty. He was complaining about the Rangers trading away so many draft picks and players like Kakko and Chytil will result in the Rangers having to pursue players in free agency and trades to fill the holes. Did Vince just realize these factors because I remember him supporting the trades Drury made for the rentals to win right away? Does that ever really work?



Drury has emptied the draft pick vault with nothing to show for it.

Vince mentioned Gabe Perreault possibly playing for the Rangers this season. Staple and Baugh also mentioned that could happen. The Rangers would start the ELC this season. Maybe that's part of the deal to turn pro. The Flyers and Gauthier problems started when the interim regime lead by Briere told him to wait a few months before turning pro after the previous Fletcher regime apparently had an understanding with the player turning pro as soon as BC was finished playing. Where will Perreault play? LW is still overcrowded. Kreider is still here.

Perreault and Othmann would help replace the void of losing Kakko and Chytil. They need meaningful minutes. Even a player like Sykoa. The Rangers need a player like him. Good two way player. He can skate. His offensive game is getting better in his 2nd AHL season. Third line winger. That's what you are looking for.


Cirelli is a very good role player. I would trade Kreider for Cirelli. TB hangs up the phone.

Drury didnt really empty the draft pick coffers for nothing when the team has made multiple deep runs into the playoffs, and you just mentioned 3 NHL ready prospects he drafted. Id say the only bad rental deal he made was the conditions on the Andrew Copp trade. The guy wasnt good enough to give a 1st rounder and a young bottom 6er for

 

[noncents]

what's this about drury coveting raantanen? is he even that good? necas looks much better in col.

anyways f*** it. trade kreider and lindgren to dallas for bichsel and a pick.

trade panarin retained to mtl for guhle and pick

trade laf and a pick to ott for brady

sign rants when car fumbles it.

tkachuk miller raantanen
cuylle trocheck perreault
othmann zibanejad berard
edstrom carrick whoever
rempe

guhle fox
miller borgen
bichsel schneider
vaak

 

[GAGLine]

Drury didnt really empty the draft pick coffers for nothing when the team has made multiple deep runs into the playoffs, and you just mentioned 3 NHL ready prospects he drafted. Id say the only bad rental deal he made was the conditions on the Andrew Copp trade. The guy wasnt good enough to give a 1st rounder and a young bottom 6er for

He traded away a ton of draft capital and got back only rentals. We didn't re-sign any of those players.

I have no problem trading draft picks and prospects if we are getting back good players who will help us for a long time. But when we trade those things for extremely short-term fixes, we're just hastening the eventual collapse of the team. If we had won a cup, that strategy could be excused, but we didn't.

Too many people operate under the false belief that we have a limited window to win and therefore advocate for moves that help us only within that limited window. If those are the types of moves we are making, then the idea of a limited window becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. But that doesn't have to be the case. We can make moves that help us in the short-term without sacrificing the long-term. We can make moves that might hurt us a bit in the short-term but will help us a lot in the long-term. It's okay to take small steps back in order to take larger steps forward in the future.

Trading Panarin, for example, would be an example of this type of strategy. We could get a good return for him. Waiting until his contract runs out and then either re-signing him or watching him walk to another team does nothing for our ability to compete long-term. Would we take a hit in the short-term? Probably. But we aren't that good of a team right now anyway. Does it matter if we become slightly more mediocre in the short term?

People think it's a binary. We are either in buy mode or sell mode. Smart teams both buy and sell when doing so will benefit the team. Smart teams are willing to sacrifice short-term at one position in order to improve both short and long-term at another. Smart teams maintain a strong farm system, enabling them to trade older players and replace them from within for cheap.

I'm not saying we should never rent a player, that we should never go all in on a season, but we have to be much smarter about it. We have to have a better balance between the short and long term in terms of team building.

what's this about drury coveting raantanen? is he even that good? necas looks much better in col.

Where are you seeing that? If that were the case, I'd imagine we would have heard something about it before he was traded to Carolina. It's moot now.

 

[MrAlmost]

I can get behind trading kakko and chytil if we also move the vets and let Othmann, Berard and Perreault into the lineup. If we trade them, I'm done.

Also, we have to be trading lindgren right? Right?

 

[McRanger92]

Drury "coveting" rantanen sounds a lot like when seravelli was tring to say drury "coveted" Nazem Kadri. "Agentspeak' rumor. Rantanen can only benefit financially this summer from saying the rangers are interested

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Where is the Rantanen stuff coming from?

 

[HonestGabe]

what's this about drury coveting raantanen? is he even that good? necas looks much better in col.

anyways f*** it. trade kreider and lindgren to dallas for bichsel and a pick.

trade panarin retained to mtl for guhle and pick

trade laf and a pick to ott for brady

sign rants when car fumbles it.

tkachuk miller raantanen
cuylle trocheck perreault
othmann zibanejad berard
edstrom carrick whoever
rempe

guhle fox
miller borgen
bichsel schneider
vaak

Where are you seeing this

 

[Vitto79]

What about trading Smith for a 2 and 5th pick back . Retain 60

Then get Nyqvist for a 5th no retention

Weaponize the cap space

 

[Cmox]

Where is the Rantanen stuff coming from?

I think EF said the Rangers and Leafs were interested and would move mountains to get him.

 

[bernmeister]

what's this about drury coveting raantanen? is he even that good? necas looks much better in col.

anyways f*** it. trade kreider and lindgren to dallas for bichsel and a pick.

trade panarin retained to mtl for guhle and pick

trade laf and a pick to ott for brady

sign rants when car fumbles it.

tkachuk miller raantanen
cuylle trocheck perreault
othmann zibanejad berard
edstrom carrick whoever
rempe

guhle fox
miller borgen
bichsel schneider
vaak

trade kreider and lindgren to dallas for bichsel and a pick.
again, stop, capitulate to reality
no one is paying top top $ for kreider now given ongoing back status

bread retained + cheap Jones for bisch + a 1st is real imo if Panarin waives, which in totality of circumstances, he might


trade panarin retained to mtl for guhle and pick
bread not likely to waive to to a club = not a strong cup contender
MON not giving up Guhle for short term rental

trade laf and a pick to ott for brady
coupla wks ago we crushed Sens and ridiculed brady

Sens have prob w/upcoming forfeiture of a 1st, but otherwise are on the upswing.
I could see BT staying, could see him going

We should not jump here, but wisely observe and assess

LaF, yes for Sanderson, but it is not happening
something around LaF + to MON for Reinbacher ++ is better

He traded away a ton of draft capital and got back only rentals. We didn't re-sign any of those players.

I have no problem trading draft picks and prospects if we are getting back good players who will help us for a long time. But when we trade those things for extremely short-term fixes, we're just hastening the eventual collapse of the team. If we had won a cup, that strategy could be excused, but we didn't.

Too many people operate under the false belief that we have a limited window to win and therefore advocate for moves that help us only within that limited window. If those are the types of moves we are making, then the idea of a limited window becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. But that doesn't have to be the case. We can make moves that help us in the short-term without sacrificing the long-term. We can make moves that might hurt us a bit in the short-term but will help us a lot in the long-term. It's okay to take small steps back in order to take larger steps forward in the future.

Trading Panarin, for example, would be an example of this type of strategy. We could get a good return for him. Waiting until his contract runs out and then either re-signing him or watching him walk to another team does nothing for our ability to compete long-term. Would we take a hit in the short-term? Probably. But we aren't that good of a team right now anyway. Does it matter if we become slightly more mediocre in the short term?

People think it's a binary. We are either in buy mode or sell mode. Smart teams both buy and sell when doing so will benefit the team. Smart teams are willing to sacrifice short-term at one position in order to improve both short and long-term at another. Smart teams maintain a strong farm system, enabling them to trade older players and replace them from within for cheap.

I'm not saying we should never rent a player, that we should never go all in on a season, but we have to be much smarter about it. We have to have a better balance between the short and long term in terms of team building.
...

I've been saying all of the above for years.

 

[Lion Hound]

Rantanen stuff is is very predictable. Rangers have cap space. There's an impending UFA that may not sign with his new team. If Rantanen has interest here they will be in on him.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

The sens are not trading Brady. I wish people would stop with this dream. His trade value is about as high as it can be. Laf would have to start having 80 point seasons before we would be in any conversation.

Yes they will. He’s going to start making rumbles about wanting to leave , and they will have to trade him.

Unless they go on a run this season.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Drury "coveting" rantanen sounds a lot like when seravelli was tring to say drury "coveted" Nazem Kadri. "Agentspeak' rumor. Rantanen can only benefit financially this summer from saying the rangers are interested

I think the rangers were definitely interested in Kadri but they didn’t have the cap room to do it.

I think EF said the Rangers and Leafs were interested and would move mountains to get him.

32 thoughts?

 

[McRanger92]

I think the rangers were definitely interested in Kadri but they didn’t have the cap room to do it.



32 thoughts?

I dont mind paying Rantanen, especially with JT locked in for 4 more years. I suggested Mikko as an option before he was dealt. I would be floored if he re-signs in Carolina. I also think Drury still covets Brady T and would probably want to leave his options open for the 2026 UFA class, Eichel in particular. Panarin needs to go in any of these scenarios. I think its very possible they look to deal him this summer.

 

[kovazub94]

He traded away a ton of draft capital and got back only rentals. We didn't re-sign any of those players.

I have no problem trading draft picks and prospects if we are getting back good players who will help us for a long time. But when we trade those things for extremely short-term fixes, we're just hastening the eventual collapse of the team. If we had won a cup, that strategy could be excused, but we didn't.

Too many people operate under the false belief that we have a limited window to win and therefore advocate for moves that help us only within that limited window. If those are the types of moves we are making, then the idea of a limited window becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. But that doesn't have to be the case. We can make moves that help us in the short-term without sacrificing the long-term. We can make moves that might hurt us a bit in the short-term but will help us a lot in the long-term. It's okay to take small steps back in order to take larger steps forward in the future.

Trading Panarin, for example, would be an example of this type of strategy. We could get a good return for him. Waiting until his contract runs out and then either re-signing him or watching him walk to another team does nothing for our ability to compete long-term. Would we take a hit in the short-term? Probably. But we aren't that good of a team right now anyway. Does it matter if we become slightly more mediocre in the short term?

People think it's a binary. We are either in buy mode or sell mode. Smart teams both buy and sell when doing so will benefit the team. Smart teams are willing to sacrifice short-term at one position in order to improve both short and long-term at another. Smart teams maintain a strong farm system, enabling them to trade older players and replace them from within for cheap.

I'm not saying we should never rent a player, that we should never go all in on a season, but we have to be much smarter about it. We have to have a better balance between the short and long term in terms of team building.

I completely agree that decisions should not be fully binary and I also agree that a team can't trade their picks without converting some of them into long-term assets. However, I would limit this approach to 1st round picks and maybe 2nds. Everything else probably starting with 3rd round and on is largely just trade currency that mostly important for the rebuilding teams because its these team that would be able to accumulate enough of mid- and late- rounders to count on being able to convert something into players. For the team like Rangers, picking college UFAs or prospects unwilling to sign with their original teams kind of results in the wash.

I do have issue with your binary - "if you win a cup - it's fine, if you don't - it's not" because this approach is based off availability of a hindsight. GM has to put his team into the best position to succeed but the success is not guaranteed. Should GM have a way to remediate shipping away draft picks - sure but it's not a zero sum game. Look at the team now - for a team that made it into ECF in 2 of the past 3 years the prospect situation is pretty reasonable IMO and should get better with expected upcoming moves both at TDL and offseason.

 

[McRanger92]

Rangers are in position to put together a package that gets Brady Tkachuk. Lafreniere, Perreault, Schneider as the primary pieces. I'm not saying its definitely will happen, but if things break right it's very predictable. And if Brady gets to choose his destination and prefers the Northeast, the Rangers have the best setup for him...despite some of our lunatic fans thinking the devils are an enticing spot for anyone.

 

[eco's bones]

Perreault has played both wings. He was listed as a RW when we drafted him and is still listed as a RW everywhere.

Even if he was a LW, he can learn to play RW. It's not that hard. I really wish people would stop making such of fuss about it.

It's likely that both Panarin and Kreider will be gone in the near future. Both are older and both have contracts running out. So, there will be a spot on the left side for Perreault if they want him to play there.

We have enough issues already. We don't need to invent new ones.

I've seen Perreault on both wings and not really noticeably different as a LW or RW.

If Tampa was dumb enough to do that deal, I'd do it without hesitation. Cirelli is 6 years younger and has 6 years left on his contract at a lower cap hit (6.25 mil vs 6.5 for Kreider). Cirelli is also a good defensive center.

Imagine having Miller, Cirelli, Trocheck down the middle. There's no chance of that happening, unfortunately.

I didn't realize Cirelli was that young. It seems he's been around for a long while.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

If the Rangers and Leafs were both brought up on Rantanen it is definitely an agent rumor

With the cap going up drastically and fewer teams spending to the limit, we may be heading back to the early 2000s rumor mill

 

[NickyFotiu]

Drury "coveting" rantanen sounds a lot like when seravelli was tring to say drury "coveted" Nazem Kadri. "Agentspeak' rumor. Rantanen can only benefit financially this summer from saying the rangers are interested

I do not know about this specific case but lots of agents in multiple sports like to use NY as a possible destination to push interest.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I do not know about this specific case but lots of agents in multiple sports like to use NY as a possible destination to push interest.

And the gm can’t say “we’re not interested “ because that’s against the rules.

 

[McRanger92]

And the gm can’t say “we’re not interested “ because that’s against the rules.

Soft tampering lol

 

[UnparalledPark]

I didn't realize Kreider had ass pain.

The clinical name for it is “Drury Syndrone”.