Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVI

[Savant]

I mean, why not commit to being a 11F / 7D team. Tampa has been successful playing a lot of this. Would rather have an extra Dman than waste a spot on a Haley/Glass/etc type when the team is actually good. Pretty dumb to sacrifice DeAngelo to fit a 12F / 6D cookie cutter, unless something exceptional is coming in. I’m sure the young keepers on the way wouldn’t be opposed either.

 

[ZiGOODejad]

I mean, why not commit to being a 11F / 7D team. Tampa has been successful playing a lot of this. Would rather have an extra Dman than waste a spot on a Haley/Glass/etc type when the team is actually good. Pretty dumb to sacrifice DeAngelo to fit a 12F / 6D cookie cutter, unless something exceptional is coming in. I’m sure the young keepers on the way wouldn’t be opposed either.

People don’t realize how fresh you can keep your defensemen if you have an extra and take a bunch of penalties in a game. It’s easier to spread minutes at forward then force your best dman to play 25+ a game cause of stupid penalties

 

[EdJovanovski]

Been fooling around with CapFriendly for a bit and I really think we'll be fine when it comes to the cap, I managed to fit everyone under it with ADA, Buch, Chytil & Shesterkin making 6.5 Mill each. We have a LOT coming off the cap soon

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I'll bet a shiny penny that Nils gets traded before ADA

That penny better shine, boy

 

[The New Russian Five]

Been fooling around with CapFriendly for a bit and I really think we'll be fine when it comes to the cap, I managed to fit everyone under it with ADA, Buch, Chytil & Shesterkin making 6.5 Mill each. We have a LOT coming off the cap soon

Keep in mind that the following season after Chytil, Buch, Shesterkin get re-signed, is also when Kakko, Fox, Kravtsov, Lindgren, Hajek/Rykov all become RFA. Zibanejad will be up for UFA. I'd assume that the team would want to lock down Kakko and Fox long term at that point. That might get very expensive.

Of Georgiev, ADA, and Buch 2 of them likely will be cap casualties to trade. We might be able to get away with only trading one especially if we part ways with Zbad and trade Skjei. This is why it would be golden if the rangers could somehow draft a high end center. Would make it more palatable to let Zbad go.

 

[aufheben]

I mean, why not commit to being a 11F / 7D team. Tampa has been successful playing a lot of this. Would rather have an extra Dman than waste a spot on a Haley/Glass/etc type when the team is actually good. Pretty dumb to sacrifice DeAngelo to fit a 12F / 6D cookie cutter, unless something exceptional is coming in. I’m sure the young keepers on the way wouldn’t be opposed either.

It's not about getting rid of him it's trading from a position of strength to fill other needs.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

It's kind of hard for me to not see the Rick Nash or Gaborik, 2 or 3 for 1 trade coming up unless we make a smaller move soon.

 

[pld459666]

That penny better shine, boy

Lol. Very shiney

 

[pld459666]

It's kind of hard for me to not see the Rick Nash or Gaborik, 2 or 3 for 1 trade coming up unless we make a smaller move soon.

I agree.

Been saying the same thing for a while now.

Not every prospect will pan out and we are still going to have a surplus.

I think we see that 3 for 1 trade next summer after the draft and probably right before Free Agency

 

[pld459666]

I agree.

Been saying the same thing for a while now.

Not every prospect will pan out and we are still going to have a surplus.

I think we see that 3 for 1 trade next summer after the draft and probably right before Free Agency

I know this is douchey, quoting myself, but I should add that the key to any 3 for one trade should be with a team that just decided to hit the reset button.

Predicting that team is a tough one at the momen .

 

[True Blue]

Oops..I must've set off another trigger point.
My bad

Ahh.....still suffering from can'tansweraquestionitis.

 

[Savant]

It's not about getting rid of him it's trading from a position of strength to fill other needs.

Yes and No. I think this depends on what you think you can realistically get. I also wouldn't say 50-60 point RHD (or LHD) is a position of strength for the Rangers. It’s a unique skill set.

Do the Rangers need more futures? Not urgently. After this draft they will be able to fill those needs.
Do the Rangers get a top 6 center for ADA? No.
Do the Rangers get a dman better that ADA for ADA? Probably not; especially if not under contract.
Do the Rangers need more wingers? Maybe If they can’t replace Kreider internally; but that’s another unique skill set that you aren’t going to get for ADA.

So yeah. Rangers know what they have in DeAngelo. They should keep him. I think you keep the extra Dman and be happy with the output that he provides. Don’t give up more assets to attach to make a trade work. Rangers have Dmen coming out of their ears. Build around that strength.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

It's kind of hard for me to not see the Rick Nash or Gaborik, 2 or 3 for 1 trade coming up unless we make a smaller move soon.

I tend to agree and I'd be very curious what position they target.

 

[True Blue]

Get this right, please. Nobody is advocating trading TDA today. Everyone *is* advocating trading TDA in 1.5-2 years because Fox/Trouba are better. Get over yourself.

If DeAngelo becomes a 20 goal, 60 point player, I cannot see Gorton trading him. Then, I believe, he forces Gorton's hand and gets a long term deal.

Editing for clarity. TDA is on pace for over 60 points. Fox is also clearly better.

IMO, if that is who DeAngelo is becoming, I believe it is a conversation changer.

 

[Edge]

It's kind of hard for me to not see the Rick Nash or Gaborik, 2 or 3 for 1 trade coming up unless we make a smaller move soon.

I think at some point they'll almost have-to make that kind of move.

This dovetails with something I said in another thread, but the Rangers approach to this point has led to a very good amount of depth. But I think there's a good probability that they'll need another high-end piece or two at forward and/or defense.

We focus on centers, and there's logic to that approach. But I can't help but think that the Rangers wouldn't love to add another impact player on either the wings or LD.

 

[Edge]

Been fooling around with CapFriendly for a bit and I really think we'll be fine when it comes to the cap, I managed to fit everyone under it with ADA, Buch, Chytil & Shesterkin making 6.5 Mill each. We have a LOT coming off the cap soon

Personally, I'm not entirely sure why there's as much concern about the cap.

Now, if one thinks we're signing Kreider for the long-haul, extending Strome, and re-signing ADA, then yes, I can see where that would cause some concern.

But that's one of the reasons why I think some of these guys are getting moved --- not because they don't have value, but because the Rangers probably have to allocate resources differently.

 

[True Blue]

It depends on DeAngelo’s next cap hit and what Fox accomplishes over on his ELC. Fortunately Fox doesn’t need a new deal until 2022, so DeAngelo could still be here for 2 more seasons. If DeAngelo finishes the season with 45-50 points, his cap hit might be manageable.

The issue is what happens if DeAngelo hits around 55 points this year? There have not been many many names that have done it over the last 10 years

 

[Savant]

Personally, I'm not entirely sure why there's as much concern about the cap.

Now, if one thinks we're signing Kreider for the long-haul, extending Strome, and re-signing ADA, then yes, I can see where that would cause some concern.

But that's one of the reasons why I think some of these guys are getting moved --- not because they don't have value, but because the Rangers probably have to allocate resources differently.

Sure. But again. I’ll take the 24 year old 50-60 point defenseman over giving Kreider 7m+ a season or rolling the dice on Strome. And I would rather roll the dice on Strome than give Kreider the deal that he will require to resign.

 

[Edge]

Sure. But again. I’ll take the 24 year old 50-60 point defenseman over giving Kreider 7m+ a season or rolling the dice on Strome. And I would rather roll the dice on Strome than give Kreider the deal that he will require to resign.

Push comes to shove, I think Kreider and Strome are both moved.

Kreider, probably at the deadline or in the New Year. Strome, possibly in the off-season. I think they keep him as an insurance policy for Zibanejad and Chytil, and then package him with a goalie in the offseason.

 

[rangersfansince08]

I mean, why not commit to being a 11F / 7D team. Tampa has been successful playing a lot of this. Would rather have an extra Dman than waste a spot on a Haley/Glass/etc type when the team is actually good. Pretty dumb to sacrifice DeAngelo to fit a 12F / 6D cookie cutter, unless something exceptional is coming in. I’m sure the young keepers on the way wouldn’t be opposed either.

Who plays the 12th F role? Deangelo?

 

[RangerBoy]

The Oilers and Rangers were getting traction on a Puljujarvi deal about a month ago but it fell apart.
Edmonton GM Ken Holland is asking for a good young prospect in return as part of his package.
Did Holland ask for forward Lias Andersson from New York, the seventh overall pick in the 2017 draft? Some feel he did.

Some Vancouver fans think Nikolay Goldobin or Sven Baertschi could have landed Puljujarvi. Not a chance, though.

If Holland wanted the likes of Andersson from the Rangers, he would have wanted some young studs like Vasili Podkolzin and Tyler Madden from Vancouver — and that would have been a short phone call.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Who plays the 12th F role? Deangelo?

Would be an interesting experiment as would Day.

 

[bobbop]

The Rangers have the highest scoring defense in the league. Why screw with that right now? Lundkvist could get traded for an impact player at another position. Anyone note the Brewers-Padres baseball trade last week? Two excellent young players traded because the puzzles didn’t fit right? Rangers could find a similar partner (Anaheim?)

 

[GAGLine]

The Rangers have the highest scoring defense in the league. Why screw with that right now? Lundkvist could get traded for an impact player at another position. Anyone note the Brewers-Padres baseball trade last week? Two excellent young players traded because the puzzles didn’t fit right? Rangers could find a similar partner (Anaheim?)

There's no point to trading any of them right now. Lundkvist is looking good, but he's still just a prospect. His value will be higher if and when he shows he can play in the NHL. At that time, we can decide whether to trade him or someone else.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I'm sure plenty will disagree, but I'm happy that Lias was viewed as too high of an ask from the Rangers perspective in a Puljujarvi trade.