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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVI

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pld459666 said:
Even at 50 points, in the last three years there has been 12, 19, 12 players that have reached or surpassed the 50 point marker.

You dont look to move those guys.

Defense can be learned, the ability to put up points is innate.

Until Fox can demonstrate that the potential is there, I'm not on board with moving TDA.

Especially if the thought is that Lundkvist can be a replacement.

The romantics that Lundkvist as a replacement for anyone on this roster is not something I bought into yet. I'd like to see him succeed here in the AHL before I buy into the idea of him replacing Staal let alone TDA
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Why can’t we accept that we have 3 good RDs and attempt to keep them? We finally have depth on the right side for 20 games and we’re already looking to unload. They’re all the perfect age for our rebuild.
 
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LeetchisGod said:
I don't know much about Tuch. What is his upside?
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Haven't checked out his statistical profile too much, but when I watch him he looks a lot like a Brandon Saad/Chris Kreider. Potential 30-30 player, at best, but a real force at the net front with great hands in tight, a six-four frame, and some serious wheels up the ice. Had 50 points last year and was leading them in scoring before the deadline.

not a player Vegas would love to lose I'm sure, but they're flush with wingers and they need a point producer on the backend bad.
 
The trade that makes sense is Lias Andersson for Jesse Puljujarvi. Change of scenery deal for two underachieving players.

Lias plays center and wing. He’d be a fit. Edmonton just may see what we see and that’s not much upside for a player with significant upside.

the other trade I could see is Ghost in philly who’s just demanded a trade. Flyers may be interested in a move like that for Jesse.

but there’s nothing else the Rangers are going to do to get him imo. I don’t think Kreider is in play there.
 
Throwing some stuff against the wall.

CK to Columbus for Josh Anderson ( whom everyone likes ) Bjorkstrand/Texier and a 2nd pick.

Anyone of Gettinger/ Meskanen/ Boo plus 3rd pick for Pool Party. I think Edmonton would want more so maybe a different kind of package.

Fast and a 2nd pick for Pool Party and Kassian and Gagner. Edmonton needs cap space so it might entice them to make this kind of move.

AP-Zibs-Buch
Anderson-Chytil-Kakko
Lemmy--Strome--Pool Party
Fast ( if not dealt ) Kassian--Howden--Bjorkstrand/Smith

Gagner to the minors.

Blow it up.....
 
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pld459666 said:
The romantics that Lundkvist as a replacement for anyone on this roster is not something I bought into yet. I'd like to see him succeed here in the AHL before I buy into the idea of him replacing Staal let alone TDA
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Lundkvist is a very, very good prospect. But I think there's always the inherent risk that the "next guy" is even better. And we all know that isn't necessarily the case.

Right now ADA and Fox are both doing very well in the NHL, and they'll both be coming of age in the next for seasons.

Lundkvist could very well be better than either, but for all his talent that's still a pretty tall ask. Push comes to shove, the Rangers will probably lean toward keeping the players they know can translate their talents and are closer to hitting their peak and maximizing their talents.

Now having said that, if it's ADA and Fox the Rangers go with over the long-haul, they're not going to give Lundkvist away either. He would certainly be used as a primary piece in a deal of significance.
 
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Dijock94 said:
Why can’t we accept that we have 3 good RDs and attempt to keep them? We finally have depth on the right side for 20 games and we’re already looking to unload. They’re all the perfect age for our rebuild.
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Because life is full of tough decisions that we can’t ignore
 
Kovalev27 said:
the other trade I could see is Ghost in philly who’s just demanded a trade. Flyers may be interested in a move like that for Jesse.
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Puljujarvi under AV? Oh boy, you want to see some fireworks in Philly, it'll be around this for sure.

At this rate, I don't think he gets moved and Edmonton lets him sit in Finland for the season. If the Oilers get into a playoff spot, that could be enough to lure him into playing for them next season.
 
howztheglass said:
Throwing some stuff against the wall.

CK to Columbus for Josh Anderson ( whom everyone likes ) Bjorkstrand/Texier and a 2nd pick.

Anyone of Gettinger/ Meskanen/ Boo plus 3rd pick for Pool Party. I think Edmonton would want more so maybe a different kind of package.

Fast and a 2nd pick for Pool Party and Kassian and Gagner. Edmonton needs cap space so it might entice them to make this kind of move.

AP-Zibs-Buch
Anderson-Chytil-Kakko
Lemmy--Strome--Pool Party
Fast ( if not dealt ) Kassian--Howden--Bjorkstrand/Smith

Gagner to the minors.

Blow it up.....
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i would love Kassian Andersson and Lemmy on this team, more grit, battle and players good along the boards
 
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TheDirtyH said:
Alex Tuch for Tony DeAngelo would be a great hockey trade IMO.
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I can't say I'm too hot for that.

Tuch is a nice player, who is all over the map for me. ADA is a closer to what's he going to be at this point.

I can't help but feel like this move would have us working backward a bit.
 
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Edge said:
I can't say I'm too hot for that.

Tuch is a nice player, who is all over the map for me. ADA is a closer to what's he going to be at this point.

I can't help but feel like this move would have us working backward a bit.
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I can see that; it's not perfect, but I'd say Tuch is firmly a top-6 winger at this point even if he's off to a bad start this year. Biggest issue is health IMO. OTHO, ADA actually has fewer games under his belt (really close) so as far as who's more proven or solidified, Vegas could probably reverse the argument if they wanted to..
 
Tawnos said:
Can't see why not, though it's likely they're on his 11-team list. Rangers would have to retain and/or take back a contract.
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Correct. They don’t have anything close to the cap room for him, and they stand zero shot at re-signing him. He represents a net loss for them.
 
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howztheglass said:
Throwing some stuff against the wall.

CK to Columbus for Josh Anderson ( whom everyone likes ) Bjorkstrand/Texier and a 2nd pick.

Anyone of Gettinger/ Meskanen/ Boo plus 3rd pick for Pool Party. I think Edmonton would want more so maybe a different kind of package.

Fast and a 2nd pick for Pool Party and Kassian and Gagner. Edmonton needs cap space so it might entice them to make this kind of move.

AP-Zibs-Buch
Anderson-Chytil-Kakko
Lemmy--Strome--Pool Party
Fast ( if not dealt ) Kassian--Howden--Bjorkstrand/Smith

Gagner to the minors.

Blow it up.....
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the CBJ trade would be about on par with the McDonagh and Zibanejad trades.
 
Edge said:
Lundkvist is a very, very good prospect. But I think there's always the inherent risk that the "next guy" is even better. And we all know that isn't necessarily the case.

Right now ADA and Fox are both doing very well in the NHL, and they'll both be coming of age in the next for seasons.

Lundkvist could very well be better than either, but for all his talent that's still a pretty tall ask. Push comes to shove, the Rangers will probably lean toward keeping the players they know can translate their talents and are closer to hitting their peak and maximizing their talents.

Now having said that, if it's ADA and Fox the Rangers go with over the long-haul, they're not going to give Lundkvist away either. He would certainly be used as a primary piece in a deal of significance.
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Good post. The next best thing isn’t always better.

But as someone else said, we have time to let this work itself out. Nobody is advocating dealing TDA right now. But in 1.5 to 2.5 years, as his (likely) bridge contract is expiring, then it will likely be him that goes out the door. So enjoy him for now but I wouldn’t be buying his jersey lol.
 
TheDirtyH said:
I can see that; it's not perfect, but I'd say Tuch is firmly a top-6 winger at this point even if he's off to a bad start this year. Biggest issue is health IMO. OTHO, ADA actually has fewer games under his belt (really close) so as far as who's more proven or solidified, Vegas could probably reverse the argument if they wanted to..
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I guess if I'm moving ADA, I'm looking for someone who is maybe closer to ADA's level.

Let's for argument's sake say that ADA, for one reason or another, is the guy the Rangers decided to move. Let's also say that he doesn't fall off his current pace: 20+ goals and 60+ points.

To me, warts and all, that's pretty dynamic for a defenseman. And at 25/26 years of age, that's not necessarily something that's going to quickly fade.

So I'm looking for a package that includes a player in a similar age range who brings something dynamic to the table. Or I'm looking for a package where the combination we receive collectively makes us more dynamic as a team.

Alex Tuch is a good player. But to me, he's not necessarily a dynamic player. I feel like we'd be trading for something we "hope" happens, and at some point I think we have to move away from trading established for hope. Now, if it's Tuch+ I am listening. But if ADA is the player he's showing himself to be, the return has to be more than Tuch.
 
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Avery16 said:
Correct. They don’t have anything close to the cap room for him, and they stand zero shot at re-signing him. He represents a net loss for them.
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Their cap situation isn't quite as bad as you're portraying it. They've got 14 forwards on the roster and 2 guys on IR. If they acquire Kreider, that puts them at 15 forwards. They send down two that frees up close to $2m in space. Send Benning to the Rangers and the Rangers retain, and they can fit Kreider in.

I don't know if I 100% agree that they have no shot of re-signing him. Kreider has a major chance to have a career year playing on that team. Playing with players who boost your production is appealing in its own right.

But then again, the price I proposed is for him as a rental from December on, not as a signed commodity.
 
NYRangers16 said:
Good post. The next best thing isn’t always better.

But as someone else said, we have time to let this work itself out. Nobody is advocating dealing TDA right now. But in 1.5 to 2.5 years, as his (likely) bridge contract is expiring, then it will likely be him that goes out the door. So enjoy him for now but I wouldn’t be buying his jersey lol.
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I think if ADA posts 20+ goals and 60+ points, there's a decent chance they make a long-term investment in him. That's why I'm not sure Kreider and Strome staying is a real possibility. I think at some point the Rangers are going to need that money for someone like ADA, and a depth addition.
 
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