Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

[UnparalledPark]

Are we talking about CK of this year or CK over his career ? Because I'd send this version of CK out for gregg mckegg.

I’m talking about Kreider next year. Hopefully back problem can be fixed or managed better. I have my doubts but for me it’s worth the risk. I suspect Drury disagrees but we shall see.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

The thing that worries me about Mika is that a lot of people are saying how players don't want to be part of orgs that don't want them but I feel like Mika is the type that would value his off ice benefits of living in NYC over anything. I feel like he doesn't have the ego or competitive drive to be bothered by the team wanting to trade him and would be perfectly fine playing for an organization that doesn't want him as long as he's getting a paycheck and gets to DJ or whatever. No offense to anyone that works for the government but he feels like the hockey equivalent of a career long government employee.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I’m talking about Kreider next year. Hopefully back problem can be fixed or managed better. I have my doubts but for me it’s worth the risk. I suspect Drury disagrees but we shall see.

It depends on the back injury. Eichel's was fixed by major surgery which had him out a full year.
CK may not want to do that the year before his last UFA.

 

[JohnC]

Saying Othmann has elite size is crazy lmao

Guy is average as they come size wise. Some of you need to take the rose colored glasses off

Maybe they’re not talking about his height/weight

 

[Boris Zubov]

It depends on the back injury. Eichel's was fixed by major surgery which had him out a full year.
CK may not want to do that the year before his last UFA.

Eichel was only out so long because the Sabres forbid him from choosing his preferred method of surgery. Once he was traded to Vegas & was given the go ahead to have the disc replacement, he was back on the ice in less than 3 months.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

It depends on the back injury. Eichel's was fixed by major surgery which had him out a full year.
CK may not want to do that the year before his last UFA.

Eichel had a back injury?

He's had 19023092032309 issues over the years so its hard to keep up but I don't remember that one.

I'd also caution people who believe that Kreider is seriously hurt. He's playing, has barely missed time and appears to be going to 4 nations. Either he's the most selfish mother f***er on the planet, the rangers medical staff is truly incompetent or... he's not that hurt.

I think option 3 is most likely.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

i thought eichels major injury was his neck

 

[McRanger92]

He's shown the ability to do so already.
Goodrow alone should earn him gm of the year.

Dont say that too loud. the Fans who are never happy about anything will come after you.

 

[JohnC]

Tbh I think the Rangers medical staff gets way more credit than they deserve. It’s not like they’re out here doing anything spectacular and they love letting guys play through injuries or come back early from injuries.

They’re on like year 14 of riding the reputation of helping Anton Stralman with his asthma.

 

[McRanger92]

Kreider who has two more seasons remaining at $6.5M to Boston for Coyle who has two more seasons remaining at $5,250,000. Rangers get their 3rd line center.

Sure, why not

 

[Boris Zubov]

Dont say that too loud. the Fans who are never happy about anything will come after you.

I think getting out of the Trouba contract with no retention was way more impressive...too bad he waited until December.

 

[TGWL]

i just dont know if othmann is an nhl player

my gut says berard will b good and othmann will bust

obviously i hope my gut is wrong but i have a feeling by this time next year othmann wont even be in the organization, or still in hartford

I've soured a lot on Othmann, but they're different type of players here. Othmann is a guy you hope can find success in the NHL in some middle 6 role and use his best asset-his shot. Berard is a guy who brings you some speed and energy but should be an easy replacement through free agency at any given year.

Berard has effort and doesn't back down. Maybe Othmann never finds that success. But I think Berard is easier to replace.

 

[McRanger92]

I think getting out of the Trouba contract with no retention was way more impressive...too bad he waited until December.

His patience hurt him there but waiting makes me think that he knew what the locker room ramifications would be. He gave the player's the benefit of the doubt when he should not have.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Interesting that Valliquette still thinks the rangers will look to move Mika. I think it has to be done, he’s not a legit RW, he’s making too much to be your 3C. Probably going to have to take back a contract of some sort to get rid of him but it has to be done.

 

[Boris Zubov]

His patience hurt him there but waiting makes me think that he knew what the locker room ramifications would be. He gave the player's the benefit of the doubt when he should not have.

It torpedoed the entire season when you break it down...waiting that is. Could be a blessing moving forward, as this team wasn't built to win it all without gutting the core.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Eichel had a back injury?

He's had 19023092032309 issues over the years so its hard to keep up but I don't remember that one.

I'd also caution people who believe that Kreider is seriously hurt. He's playing, has barely missed time and appears to be going to 4 nations. Either he's the most selfish mother f***er on the planet, the rangers medical staff is truly incompetent or... he's not that hurt.

I think option 3 is most likely.

The injury was a disk injury, which I consider "back" because its spinal.

 

[McRanger92]

It torpedoed the entire season when you break it down...waiting that is. Could be a blessing moving forward, as this team wasn't built to win it all without gutting the core.

It sucks to lose a season like this but I do wholeheartedly think the in-season moves have been good for the organization. It would not be the first time a team has a dud season sandwiched between deep playoff runs.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Kreider who has two more seasons remaining at $6.5M to Boston for Coyle who has two more seasons remaining at $5,250,000. Rangers get their 3rd line center.

i would honestly hope we could move kreider without taking salary back but that may be unlikely at this point. coyle is incredibly meh and he def doesn’t fit the drury mold. he’s big but has always played kinda soft.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Interesting that Valliquette still thinks the rangers will look to move Mika. I think it has to be done, he’s not a legit RW, he’s making too much to be your 3C. Probably going to have to take back a contract of some sort to get rid of him but it has to be done.

Of course it's going to be a thing.

Just from a roster management stand point it doesn't make sense to keep him around. I don't think they'll necessarily need to take back a contract either, especially if he does enough to close out the year to show theres something left in the tank.

The cap is going to swell and there are teams out there who will look at him and think they can bring out the best in him again while having the positional need (Boston.) Tale as old as time, Rangers have been on the other end of that more times than I care to remember but it's not a trait that is exclusive to them.

Tbh I think the Rangers medical staff gets way more credit than they deserve. It’s not like they’re out here doing anything spectacular and they love letting guys play through injuries or come back early from injuries.

They’re on like year 14 of riding the reputation of helping Anton Stralman with his asthma.

That was really a Rammer thing and why I think he was let go (I don't know for sure, but I buy it way more than the reddit fanfic stuff.) They were so f***ing conservative last year with "injuries" to the point where they were sitting guys for a night here/there or for a few games if they had so much as a bruise.

I don't think it's changed that drastically in a year.

The injury was a disk injury, which I consider "back" because its spinal.

It was his cervical spine, which is neck.

 

[Boris Zubov]

It sucks to lose a season like this but I do wholeheartedly think the in-season moves have been good for the organization. It would not be the first time a team has a dud season sandwiched between deep playoff runs.

My only issue honestly is the guys who've who weren't part of the problem like Fil & Kakko getting sent packing before Lindy, Kreider & Mika get moved. It's difficult to see the full picture of what Drury has planned until that happens, but it's even harder to understand when they still have Lindgren stapled to Fox & seeing first pair minutes.

I understand Fil was the center of the deal for JTM & you know I'm very on board with that move, however it's just so Rangers to advertise they have a veteran core problem, yet they continue to deal the young guys. Hockey is just different here.

 

[bernmeister]

I feel like it's blatantly obvious we need to trade our prospect wingers for a defenseman or center.

Or, we don't blow what little youth we have on vets
exceptions to the rule notwithstanding

Eichel had a back injury?

He's had 19023092032309 issues over the years so its hard to keep up but I don't remember that one.

I'd also caution people who believe that Kreider is seriously hurt. He's playing, has barely missed time and appears to be going to 4 nations. Either he's the most selfish mother f***er on the planet, the rangers medical staff is truly incompetent or... he's not that hurt.

I think option 3 is most likely.

I think it was back but near neck/disk

 

[McRanger92]

I dont think the Rangers will need to retain salary or take a bad contract back for Mika. He has value around the league, especially to a non-playoff team. The issue is going to be creating a market of teams he'd be willing to waive the NMC for. Montreal makes a lot of sense imo. The rumor is that he doesnt want to go West, but maybe Chicago as an option? I expect the return to look like the Trouba trade with a higher pick attached.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I dont think the Rangers will need to retain salary or take a bad contract back for Mika. He has value around the league, especially to a non-playoff team. The issue is going to be creating a market of teams he'd be willing to waive the NMC for. Montreal makes a lot of sense imo. The rumor is that he doesnt want to go West, but maybe Chicago as an option? I expect the return to look like the Trouba trade with a higher pick attached.

i could see a deal around Mika and Kotkaniemi

hopefully the spiritual successor to brassard for mika

 

[Machinehead]

The injury was a disk injury, which I consider "back" because its spinal.

 

[Boris Zubov]

I dont think the Rangers will need to retain salary or take a bad contract back for Mika. He has value around the league, especially to a non-playoff team. The issue is going to be creating a market of teams he'd be willing to waive the NMC for. Montreal makes a lot of sense imo. The rumor is that he doesnt want to go West, but maybe Chicago as an option? I expect the return to look like the Trouba trade with a higher pick attached.

I think his value may be also be to teams who need to reach the cap floor. That's going to be a real thing for teams like Columbus who never hit the ceiling. AFAIK, they didn't even replace Gaudreau's salary this season.