Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Trade Deadline Approaches

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Agreed - they have to acquire a RHD. We need all of Rielly, McCabe, and OEL playing their strong side come playoff time.

McCabe - Tanev
Rielly - X
OEL - Myers
Benoit - Timmins
I'd be interested in a Luke Schenn reunion if Nashville is willing to eat 50 %. Schenn at 1.375 m would be good value and would allow us to spend on a C. Honestly both ROR and Schenn back would complete this team but ROR seems a bit more unlikely.

McCabe - Tanev
Rielly - Schenn
OEL - Myers
Benoit - Timmins
 
Soucy has not been a quality D man this year. He's struggled, far more than the Canucks, and is now getting healthy scratched.... to pick that type of player up, to play his offside, at his cap hit... where they likely don't retain... that's a no go for me.


Soucy was a healthy scratch on Sunday night against the Detroit Red Wings despite Quinn Hughes missing the game due to injury. At Tuesday’s morning skate ahead of a game against the Colorado Avalanche, with Hughes still out with an injury, Soucy appeared to be heading for a second healthy scratch.

“We’ve all been through it,” said head coach Rick Tocchet, citing his own experience as a player. “Sometimes, you need, whether it’s a reset or whatever — I hate to say kick in the ass — but to jumpstart yourself. We felt he needed that.”

Soucy has struggled significantly this season and now the Canucks have added a couple of Petterssons on the left side of their defence: Marcus Pettersson via trade and Elias Pettersson promoted from the AHL. With those two added to Hughes and Derek Forbort, the left side is now awfully crowded.

Soucy's contract might complicate a trade​

The troubles start with Soucy’s no-trade clause, which gives him the power to veto any potential trade this season. The clause becomes a modified no-trade clause next season that allows him to provide a 12-team no-trade list.

That limits the Canucks’ options in a trade, as they have to find a team that wants Soucy and to which Soucy is willing to go.

It also has to be a team that is willing to take the full freight of Soucy’s contract, as the Canucks likely want to avoid retaining salary.

The Canucks have already used two of their three available retained salary slots, retaining $712,500 of Ilya Mikheyev’s cap hit through next season and $500,000 of Tucker Poolman’s salary this season. If the Canucks retained salary in a Soucy trade, that would mean they couldn’t retain any more salary this season and would only have one more slot available next season.

Soucy has a cap hit of $3.25 million through next season, which is a complicating factor. While not the most expensive contract, it’s still a cap hit befitting a second-pairing defenceman and Soucy has not played like a second-pairing defenceman this season.

That’s the biggest issue when it comes to trading Soucy: his performance.

Soucy's underlying numbers are among the worst in the NHL​

Among the 193 NHL defencemen who have played at least 400 minutes at 5-on-5 this season, Soucy ranks 190th in corsi percentage, which is a team-worst 42.5%. The Canucks get badly outshot when Soucy is on the ice at 5-on-5 and, as a result, get outscored as well.

It’s plain to see from the eye test. Soucy has been unable to get the puck out of the defensive zone consistently, leading to long shifts stuck in his own, where he’s struggled to defend the guts of the ice.

It’s clear in the heatmap of shots against the Canucks with Soucy on the ice at 5-on-5 via HockeyViz: the Canucks give up way too many shots from the slot.

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Perhaps the most troubling development is on the penalty kill, which was a strength of Soucy’s game last season. This season, Soucy has arguably been the Canucks’ worst penalty killer, with the second-highest rate of unblocked shots against and second-highest rate of goals against, better only than the recently-traded J.T. Miller.

Again, the HockeyViz heatmap tells the story, as the Canucks have given up an obscenely high amount of shots from the most dangerous areas of the ice with Soucy on the penalty kill.

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Evolving-Hockey’s all-in-one goals above replacement (GAR) statistic rates Soucy at minus-9.4 this season, meaning he’s cost the Canucks 9.4 goals compared to a replacement-level player. By Evolving-Hockey’s metric, that alone has cost the Canucks 1.5 wins.

That’s a significant impact for a single player. His minus-9.4 GAR is the worst by any NHL defenceman this season and the third-worst of any skater, ahead of only forwards Barclay Goodrow and Robby Fabbri.

With those kinds of numbers backing up the eye test that Soucy is struggling, it’s understandable that Tocchet would scratch Soucy. But it’s that kind of performance that will also make other teams wary of acquiring Soucy.

Still, maybe there is a market out there for Soucy. A team could take a chance on trading for him now, hoping that he’ll bounce back in a new environment and system. But with the no-trade clause, cap hit, and the Canucks unlikely to retain salary, that’s a tough needle to thread.

If the trade can't be found, the Canucks might be better off just hanging on to Soucy and hoping he bounces back without a change of environment.
 
Soucy has not been a quality D man this year. He's struggled, far more than the Canucks, and is now getting healthy scratched.... to pick that type of player up, to play his offside, at his cap hit... where they likely don't retain... that's a no go for me.


Soucy was a healthy scratch on Sunday night against the Detroit Red Wings despite Quinn Hughes missing the game due to injury. At Tuesday’s morning skate ahead of a game against the Colorado Avalanche, with Hughes still out with an injury, Soucy appeared to be heading for a second healthy scratch.

“We’ve all been through it,” said head coach Rick Tocchet, citing his own experience as a player. “Sometimes, you need, whether it’s a reset or whatever — I hate to say kick in the ass — but to jumpstart yourself. We felt he needed that.”

Soucy has struggled significantly this season and now the Canucks have added a couple of Petterssons on the left side of their defence: Marcus Pettersson via trade and Elias Pettersson promoted from the AHL. With those two added to Hughes and Derek Forbort, the left side is now awfully crowded.

Soucy's contract might complicate a trade​

The troubles start with Soucy’s no-trade clause, which gives him the power to veto any potential trade this season. The clause becomes a modified no-trade clause next season that allows him to provide a 12-team no-trade list.

That limits the Canucks’ options in a trade, as they have to find a team that wants Soucy and to which Soucy is willing to go.

It also has to be a team that is willing to take the full freight of Soucy’s contract, as the Canucks likely want to avoid retaining salary.

The Canucks have already used two of their three available retained salary slots, retaining $712,500 of Ilya Mikheyev’s cap hit through next season and $500,000 of Tucker Poolman’s salary this season. If the Canucks retained salary in a Soucy trade, that would mean they couldn’t retain any more salary this season and would only have one more slot available next season.

Soucy has a cap hit of $3.25 million through next season, which is a complicating factor. While not the most expensive contract, it’s still a cap hit befitting a second-pairing defenceman and Soucy has not played like a second-pairing defenceman this season.

That’s the biggest issue when it comes to trading Soucy: his performance.

Soucy's underlying numbers are among the worst in the NHL​

Among the 193 NHL defencemen who have played at least 400 minutes at 5-on-5 this season, Soucy ranks 190th in corsi percentage, which is a team-worst 42.5%. The Canucks get badly outshot when Soucy is on the ice at 5-on-5 and, as a result, get outscored as well.

It’s plain to see from the eye test. Soucy has been unable to get the puck out of the defensive zone consistently, leading to long shifts stuck in his own, where he’s struggled to defend the guts of the ice.

It’s clear in the heatmap of shots against the Canucks with Soucy on the ice at 5-on-5 via HockeyViz: the Canucks give up way too many shots from the slot.

teamshotloc-2425-van-def-wi-soucyca94


Perhaps the most troubling development is on the penalty kill, which was a strength of Soucy’s game last season. This season, Soucy has arguably been the Canucks’ worst penalty killer, with the second-highest rate of unblocked shots against and second-highest rate of goals against, better only than the recently-traded J.T. Miller.

Again, the HockeyViz heatmap tells the story, as the Canucks have given up an obscenely high amount of shots from the most dangerous areas of the ice with Soucy on the penalty kill.

teamshotloc-2425-van-def-wi-soucyca94-pk


Evolving-Hockey’s all-in-one goals above replacement (GAR) statistic rates Soucy at minus-9.4 this season, meaning he’s cost the Canucks 9.4 goals compared to a replacement-level player. By Evolving-Hockey’s metric, that alone has cost the Canucks 1.5 wins.

That’s a significant impact for a single player. His minus-9.4 GAR is the worst by any NHL defenceman this season and the third-worst of any skater, ahead of only forwards Barclay Goodrow and Robby Fabbri.

With those kinds of numbers backing up the eye test that Soucy is struggling, it’s understandable that Tocchet would scratch Soucy. But it’s that kind of performance that will also make other teams wary of acquiring Soucy.

Still, maybe there is a market out there for Soucy. A team could take a chance on trading for him now, hoping that he’ll bounce back in a new environment and system. But with the no-trade clause, cap hit, and the Canucks unlikely to retain salary, that’s a tough needle to thread.

If the trade can't be found, the Canucks might be better off just hanging on to Soucy and hoping he bounces back without a change of environment.

Good players have bad years it happens to somebody literally every year.

A bad 3.5 months does not erase an entire careers worth of quality play.
 
The cost is the one thing that can make you forgo the RHD aspect. You need to make sure that LHD can play RD though, which is always risky. I think you're hoping to get a Schenn kind of player from Soucy but 5 years younger. The cost to acquire seems relatively low which makes it interesting. He was really solid the previous seasons.

Murphy might be the more sensible to acquire without breaking the bank if there's no retention. Gudas isn't getting traded, he was named captain of the Ducks recently. Schenn is ok but likely going to continue to regress, the boat as sailed there despite his last stint working well. Parayko will cost a lot to acquire and cap makes it tough to fit.
1. Soucy has been terrible this year. Please see previous post... If Soucy was playing well, and a RD, sure.
2. Murphy, Gudas, Schenn, Parayko, Peeke, sure... some are expensive.. but you pick up the phone... these are better fits... you call about Mayfield, you call about Severson... there are quite a few RD, who are teams who won't make the playoffs. You don't assume that just because they made the guy a C, that they wouldn't be open to moving them under the right circumstances. You still make the phone call, and explore options.
 
1. Soucy has been terrible this year. Please see previous post... If Soucy was playing well, and a RD, sure.
2. Murphy, Gudas, Schenn, Parayko, Peeke, sure... some are expensive.. but you pick up the phone... these are better fits... you call about Mayfield, you call about Severson... there are quite a few RD, who are teams who won't make the playoffs. You don't assume that just because they made the guy a C, that they wouldn't be open to moving them under the right circumstances. You still make the phone call, and explore options.

He has been terrible but this is how you buy low. No reason why he couldn't bounce back. He was good in Seattle and I don't think they complained about him last year. But I don't disagree the fit isn't great. Murphy is the only one that makes sense outside of that. You add Peeke and Schenn to this and they've been miserable. If Severson is remotely available he'd be high on my list, warts and all, same for Parayko.

Obviously anyone can be available for the right price and circumstance but we only have available reports to go on. Nobody knew Rantanen was going to be traded. If you want to go crazy, give a call for Erik Karlsson.
 
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He has been terrible but this is how you buy low. No reason why he couldn't bounce back. He was good in Seattle and I don't think they complained about him last year. Murphy is the only one that makes sense outside of that. You add Peeke and Schenn to this and they've been miserable. If Severson is remotely available he'd be high on my list, warts and all, same for Parayko.

Obviously anyone can be available for the right price and circumstance but we only have available reports to go on. Nobody knew Rantanen was going to be traded.

Peeke's play with Boston has been pretty decent as of late actually. His minutes are creeping up, and he's doing fairly well. He's been at, or over 20 minutes a game for them, for 10 games now... You read their board, and they are pretty happy with him, calling him a true #4 now.

Schenn too is having a decent year... getting terrible goaltending, but otherwise doing fairly well with the minutes. From an expected goal %, he's top 2/3 on Nashville (depending on how many minutes min you put in), and that's Dzone starts at 63%.

Agree on Severson and Parayko, just doubtful they are available, and Parayko cost would be sky high... but again, you ask.

Your point on Rantanen is right on... that's why you look at every player that might fit what you are looking for, on a non-playoff team, and you call about them... what's the worse that happens... they say no?

If you want a buy low, struggling guy, who should rebound with a change of scenery...

 
He has been terrible but this is how you buy low. No reason why he couldn't bounce back. He was good in Seattle and I don't think they complained about him last year. Murphy is the only one that makes sense outside of that. You add Peeke and Schenn to this and they've been miserable. If Severson is remotely available he'd be high on my list, warts and all, same for Parayko.

Obviously anyone can be available for the right price and circumstance but we only have available reports to go on. Nobody knew Rantanen was going to be traded.

Maybe he'd go back to Seattle in a 3 way.

Toronto - dman
Seattle - Soucy
Vancouver - ?

...

But my want is a 2nd. line center.
 
Crouse situation reminds me a lot of Bennett in Calgary. I mentioned his name not too long ago on someone I would gamble on. Knies - Crouse - McMann - Lorentz. That’s a real good left side with size, physicality and scoring ability.
 
Probably not realistic cap wise, and would take some creativity with our current assets, but a Crouse + McBain + Kesselring package from Utah would be nice.
 
Probably not realistic cap wise, and would take some creativity with our current assets, but a Crouse + McBain + Kesselring package from Utah would be nice.
It's actually pretty doable cap wise.... trade wise, and their willingness to do so, is a completely different question.
 
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Peeke's play with Boston has been pretty decent as of late actually. His minutes are creeping up, and he's doing fairly well. He's been at, or over 20 minutes a game for them, for 10 games now... You read their board, and they are pretty happy with him, calling him a true #4 now.

Schenn too is having a decent year... getting terrible goaltending, but otherwise doing fairly well with the minutes. From an expected goal %, he's top 2/3 on Nashville (depending on how many minutes min you put in), and that's Dzone starts at 63%.

Agree on Severson and Parayko, just doubtful they are available, and Parayko cost would be sky high... but again, you ask.

Your point on Rantanen is right on... that's why you look at every player that might fit what you are looking for, on a non-playoff team, and you call about them... what's the worse that happens... they say no?

If you want a buy low, struggling guy, who should rebound with a change of scenery...


Would swap Domi for Crouse
 
we have a lot of useless cap space

Reaves, Kampf, Domi could probably get us there. Requires creativity to move them, doesn't seem like Tre would do it

Who's taking that lot? Damn that's some wasted cash
Do not resign Tavares or sign him very cheap and move off Marner. Voila.

Marner wants more than Matthews money. He should be punted out of here.

You have to fit him this season, it's doable during the off-season but at the TDL?

That's going to take some doing
 
Weekes links us to Cozens. I don’t think we can pull it off, but what a master stroke that would be!

Domi + Minten + Danforth + 26 1st for Cozens?

Other moves to balance out cap.

Alternatively, Crouse has been healthy scratched in Utah. If he were cheap…
 

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