Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

[jerseyjinx94]

Anyone have Larry’s pay walled article on Lindgren

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I don't think Lindgren has been bad but he needs to go. He's a $4.5 mil 20 point production defenseman and not an ideal first pair or ideal partner for Fox. I'd much prefer a larger partner who could take some of the physicality heat off of Fox.

This team resurgence could be a problem in that regard----it might mean we make a run for the playoffs and fall short. At the same not move on from the UFA's but instead be buyers at the deadline and add even more rentals and move picks, prospects.

I'm on the fence with acquiring JT. Depends on for what. I'm not on the fence as far as moving Lindgren, Smith and other UFA's out for whatever we can get. We should do that. If there were a way I'd absolutely move Mika at this point. With his contract I just don't see it. I don't see him a 1st line winger either. Kreider I'm open to moving. He's had a bad year and no it's not just Mika. He's produced almost nothing with Filip's line either. 2 assists. Sam Carrick has 10.

I said it when it happened but I still can't believe we traded good picks away for Smith when hes the type of guy you sign in the offseason for league minimum, ie Vesey. They'll never get the same return for him as they gave up.

If Drury had any intention of extending Lindgren long term, he would have done so last summer.

The only chance that Lindgren is back next year is on another 1-year deal, but that seems extremely unlikely. Some other team will give him a better offer.

The real question is whether or not Drury trades him before the deadline. If we are in a playoff spot, he may keep him, if only to avoid the fragile room breaking again.

Everytime Larry comes out with a piece like this it leads into the team doing something dumb, I don't want a resigned Lindgren but imo that article just reaks of it.

 

[SA16]

I said it when it happened but I still can't believe we traded good picks away for Smith when hes the type of guy you sign in the offseason for league minimum, ie Vesey. They'll never get the same return for him as they gave up.



Everytime Larry comes out with a piece like this it leads into the team doing something dumb, I don't want a resigned Lindgren but imo that article just reaks of it.

When does a two way 40-50 point player sign in the offseason for league minimum? Here is a list of forwards age 28 or older (so guaranteed they signed as a UFA) that signed for 1M or less this offseason sorted by points scored:

1. Eric Robison (24 pts) - very random considering his career high is 27 and he had 10 in 47 games last year
2. JVR (21) - everyone knows who he is and he's bad defensively
3. Connor Brown (19) - 12 points last year
4. Tanner Pearson (19) - 13 points last year in 54 games coming off a bunch of injuries

Nobody else over 15 points. Most of the guys who sign for that cheap sign for that cheap for a reason. They're bad.

 

[McRanger92]

Rangers aren't going to sign Lindgren because if they were going to it would've happened in the summer, and a 1 year deal to UFA isn't exactly showing the player they are a priority.

That Larry sob story article will do numbers with the meatheads, but if you are still falling for the pity party act with these millionaire athletes, you are a rube. Saddling Fox with Lindgren for anything more than the final 30+ games of this season would have disastrous consequences. We've seen it before.

When does a two way 40-50 point player sign in the offseason for league minimum? Here is a list of forwards age 28 or older (so guaranteed they signed as a UFA) that signed for 1M or less this offseason sorted by points scored:

1. Eric Robison (24 pts) - very random considering his career high is 27 and he had 10 in 47 games last year
2. JVR (21) - everyone knows who he is and he's bad defensively
3. Connor Brown (19) - 12 points last year
4. Tanner Pearson (19) - 13 points last year in 54 games coming off a bunch of injuries

Nobody else over 15 points. Most of the guys who sign for that cheap sign for that cheap for a reason. They're bad.

Rangers should look to extend Smith because he's actually good and not washed up. But he's over 30 so we have to trade him for couch lint before he dies of old age on the ice.

 

[bernmeister]

Yeah, Cuylle and Smith do all the work and Zib can't connect a rush pass in a good spot to save his life.

The only thing worse than Zibs passing and defense this year is his shot. Zib does a great job just being there as good spots for chances are generated and he is in the middle of f***ing it all up.

The common denominator for a line being good is Cuylle. The common denominator for a line being bad is Zib. You don't need to do calculus when the addition and subtraction paints a pretty clear picture.

The dude sucks, and is an active detriment to the team.

I get the advanced statistics. I know how they work and their usefulness. I'm not gonna go to those lengths to justify Zib is actually okay rather than the complete abysmal ass that everyone on the planet sees out there every single night.

only 2 cents I wanna add to this spot on post, is that it is possible the most horrendous part of Zib's game is actually his (complete lack of) defense, visibly contact averse, and ineffective as a checker

Can’t have Lindgren become another Girardi so shod trade but he likely just walks as a ufa

Problem this year is they will keep trying so they would need an immediate replacement

disagree as to immediate need
if we still have Jones he is immediately useful, he can't clear the crease so we need to change lines, but he is def a good skater

alternatively, JUST GIVE ROBERTSON A FUGGIN ACTUAL CHANCE, even if he fugs up, we can acid test and see where he is at relative to an NHL game, which is useful to us, either internally or as to trade value

 

[GAGLine]

Everytime Larry comes out with a piece like this it leads into the team doing something dumb, I don't want a resigned Lindgren but imo that article just reaks of it.

Larry has posted a lot of stuff that hasn't ended up happening. He can write all the sentimental puff pieces he wants. They aren't going to change Lindgren's fate.

Rangers should look to extend Smith because he's actually good and not washed up. But he's over 30 so we have to trade him for couch lint before he dies of old age on the ice.

If we are on the outside looking in come the deadline, we should absolutely trade him. Someone will give us a 2nd for him. If we look like we've got a good chance to make the playoffs, then I don't see that happening. Re-signing him, though, will depend on what he wants and what other moves we are going to make.

Going into next year we've got Panarin, Kreider, Laf and Cuylle on the wing. Berard and Othmann are on the cusp. Perreault could win a spot. If we re-sign Smith, we may only have 1 spot available in the top 9 between 3 prospects. And that assumes we don't keep Kaliyev and Sykora isn't going to be ready.

I would prefer to trade Smith and recoup some assets. If we end up trading Kreider, maybe we look to bring Smith back. We need to start phasing out the older players and let the younger guys assume bigger roles.

 

[duhmetreE]

how much better is this team if we replace Kreider, Zibs and Lindgren with NHL replacement level players?

Say, Berard, JTM and or a Pettersson/Walman as LHD

 

[noncents]

We need to start phasing out the older players and let the younger guys assume bigger roles.

ridiculous. they can earn their spots like everyone else. Kreider has been a mainstay for 15 years, you think we're trading him just so some punk can get more than 7 mins a game? Forget it. There's a hierarchy here. Earn it.


/s

how much better is this team if we replace Kreider, Zibs and Lindgren with NHL replacement level players?

Say, Berard, JTM and or a Pettersson/Walman as LHD

lol you've posted these exact words here before, right?

 

[duhmetreE]

ridiculous. they can earn their spots like everyone else. Kreider has been a mainstay for 15 years, you think we're trading him just so some punk can get more than 7 mins a game? Forget it. There's a hierarchy here. Earn it.


/s


lol you've posted these exact words here before, right?

Honestly don't remember but probably. It's been a glaring issue all season

can't take this team serious if that's not addressed.

 

[kovazub94]

If Drury had any intention of extending Lindgren long term, he would have done so last summer.

The only chance that Lindgren is back next year is on another 1-year deal, but that seems extremely unlikely. Some other team will give him a better offer.

The real question is whether or not Drury trades him before the deadline. If we are in a playoff spot, he may keep him, if only to avoid the fragile room breaking again.

I have a good feeling about Lindgren being moved by TDL, partially because how unsentimental Drury has been in his dealings and unlike other assets (like Kreider) I think Lindgren would bring better return at TDL. I also think he can make a rational assessment of where the team is.

 

[bhamill]

This is to all the "eye test" posters out there.

Despite all of your posturing and cheast beating about Mika being a detriment to this team and what not. How is it that for the past 10+ games his line leads the team in xGF/60? Mikas line is literally our best line at creating offence.

I would love to see the peanut gallery try to spin this.

At “creating offense?” Most of us consider offense to be actual scoring… So no. They may be creating offensive CHANCES, but then they are also blowing those chances. The bottom line on “creating offense” is the puck going in the net. Mika has 1 pt at 5v5 in like 10 games. If anyone is spinning the stats here it’s you. Sure, it’s more encouraging than getting no chances, but no it’s not “creating offense,” it doesn’t win games.

 

[Fitzy]

If Drury had any intention of extending Lindgren long term, he would have done so last summer.

The only chance that Lindgren is back next year is on another 1-year deal, but that seems extremely unlikely. Some other team will give him a better offer.

The real question is whether or not Drury trades him before the deadline. If we are in a playoff spot, he may keep him, if only to avoid the fragile room breaking again.

He's right. No team in the league would give Lindgren multiple years at over 2 million right now. He's one more bad season away from the Czech league.

I agree about the locker room. In my ideal world, Lindgren is here as a #7 for moral support and to play a game a series or so. But I know how NHL coaches think and he'd almost certainly end up playing all the playoff games in reality, which isn't wht we want.

 

[noncents]

is there any precedent for an elite player in this league to be consistently and perpetually saddled with a boat anchor solely on the basis of friendship?

like - if it hasn't happened by now, Lindgren will never wear this jersey and not skate next to Fox. If he's here, he's 1LD. That's just how it is. It's the biggest reason why he has to go.

 

[GAGLine]

I have a good feeling about Lindgren being moved by TDL, partially because how unsentimental Drury has been in his dealings and unlike other assets (like Kreider) I think Lindgren would bring better return at TDL. I also think he can make a rational assessment of where the team is.

I think Kreider would fetch a significant return. Say what you want about his play this year, but he still has 15 goals in 41 games (30 goal pace).

Kreider is much more difficult to move for sentimental reasons, though. He has been here forever and he's working his way up some significant all-time Ranger lists. Then again, we traded Leetch before he could break Howell's games played record, and Drury has shown himself to be pretty cutthroat when it comes to making moves.

Ideally, we would move Mika and keep Kreider, but I don't know if that will be possible.

I think Lindgren will depend on the return. If the offers are good enough, maybe Drury moves him regardless of where we are in the standings. If that should happen, though, who do we put in that spot? If we have a legit shot at the playoffs, I can't see Drury being okay with any of the LHD from Hartford. Maybe we would shift Schneider to the left side with Fox and bring up Mancini or Ruhwedel. Or maybe we spend a late pick on a cheap replacement.

 

[Mikachu93]

He's right. No team in the league would give Lindgren multiple years at over 2 million right now. He's one more bad season away from the Czech league.

I agree about the locker room. In my ideal world, Lindgren is here as a #7 for moral support and to play a game a series or so. But I know how NHL coaches think and he'd almost certainly end up playing all the playoff games in reality, which isn't wht we want.

Can we not pretend like NHL GMs see the game the way we do? Jack Johnson is still playing NHL hockey and he's been terrible analytically for nearly a decade.

Lindgren brings the intangibles that NHL front offices do cartwheels and backflips for. Playoff pedigree, blocks shots, willing to do anything to win. We know he sucks at hockey but that seemingly doesn't matter to most in this league.

Someone will pay him 3-4 years AT LEAST and probably $4m + on the AAV. I'd bet a lot of money on that.

... Which is why trading him on March 7 should be a no brainer. The rental D market is horrific. He will fetch a 2nd and we can likely use that 2nd and another asset to acquire an upgrade like Marcus Pettersson who we can extend

 

[Machinehead]

Lindgren is the most obvious Girardi/Staal extension candidate I’ve ever seen. Fireable offense.

He's already worse than either of them ever were.

If Drury were to bring him back, fire Drury into the sun, and rip the cartridge out of the console on the entire front office.

 

[McRanger92]

He's already worse than either of them ever were.

If Drury were to bring him back, fire Drury into the sun, and rip the cartridge out of the console on the entire front office.

I like Drury but I cant and wont defend that move if he makes it.

 

[bernmeister]

Rangers aren't going to sign Lindgren because if they were going to it would've happened in the summer, and a 1 year deal to UFA isn't exactly showing the player they are a priority.

That Larry sob story article will do numbers with the meatheads, but if you are still falling for the pity party act with these millionaire athletes, you are a rube. Saddling Fox with Lindgren for anything more than the final 30+ games of this season would have disastrous consequences. We've seen it before.

Rangers should look to extend Smith because he's actually good and not washed up. But he's over 30 so we have to trade him for couch lint before he dies of old age on the ice.

no, the 2nd is worth more if we can actually get that much for him
yield to the reality that energy, stamina of youth >> than vet experience

ridiculous. they can earn their spots like everyone else. Kreider has been a mainstay for 15 years, you think we're trading him just so some punk can get more than 7 mins a game? Forget it. There's a hierarchy here. Earn it.

/s

lol you've posted these exact words here before, right?

Not ridiculous.
Aberration of temp back injury aside, Kreider remains our most fit/dominant athlete, and yes he earns it.
But you can have a hand on the scale making it unfair, w/pref to vets by coaches who want win now instant gratification stupidity over long term team best interests by developing depth, which screws things up

Vesey should already be gone
Rempe did not need to lose games

Berard should be here over Smith
other examples apply

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Rangers should look to extend Smith because he's actually good and not washed up. But he's over 30 so we have to trade him for couch lint before he dies of old age on the ice.

I’d be open to it, ever since the healthy scratch he’s been pretty good. He’d have to come in around the same # he’s making now. But the Rangers have plenty of options at wing next year so there’d have to be a wing for D or C move somewhere. No rush to extend

... Which is why trading him on March 7 should be a no brainer. The rental D market is horrific. He will fetch a 2nd and we can likely use that 2nd and another asset to acquire an upgrade like Marcus Pettersson who we can extend

if you can essentially trade Lindgren + a prospect for Marcus Petterson and extend him reasonably, sure. But I don’t think that’s happening. If Lindgren gets a 2 Petterson should get a 1

 

[Machinehead]

I like Drury but I cant and wont defend that move if he makes it.

I try to give some grace in this hard cap league that sometimes things just shake out a certain way.

This is the last year of grace on Lindgren. The contract is running out. The cap is expected to go up so you don't have to pinch every single penny for 7/1. Vaakanainen or Schneider could realistically play that spot. They're out of excuses.

 

[eco's bones]

I said it when it happened but I still can't believe we traded good picks away for Smith when hes the type of guy you sign in the offseason for league minimum, ie Vesey. They'll never get the same return for him as they gave up.



Everytime Larry comes out with a piece like this it leads into the team doing something dumb, I don't want a resigned Lindgren but imo that article just reaks of it.

I'm not quite here with you on Smith. We won't know unless and until we do move him what he could bring back but you might want to look at his track record. A Stanley Cup a couple years ago with Vegas and his career playoff numbers 26 goals and 79 points in 106 games are excellent for a guy who's been pretty much a second line winger throughout his career. You're not going to find much better around the league for a guy with his kind of career arc.

Will he bring back a 2nd? That's questionable but IMO he was and is an upgrade over Wheeler in a lot of ways and this team should have been better and that's not so much on him.....more on guys who have kind of shit the bed this year. If you looked at the team as a contender coming into this season and had limited cap space and you had a hole in your top 6 you make moves like bringing in someone like Smith to fill that hole. You don't leave that hole unfilled.

 

[MrAlmost]

I am pleading with this team to trade Lindgren for Maata. He is a good buy low candidate and can be resigned for a good amount. Don't get fooled into trying to get the more expensive d men available. Maata is the guy. Do it. Do it.

 

[McRanger92]

I’d be open to it, ever since the healthy scratch he’s been pretty good. He’d have to come in around the same # he’s making now. But the Rangers have plenty of options at wing next year so there’d have to be a wing for D or C move somewhere. No rush to extend


if you can essentially trade Lindgren + a prospect for Marcus Petterson and extend him reasonably, sure. But I don’t think that’s happening. If Lindgren gets a 2 Petterson should get a 1

I look at it this way. If we're looking to move Kreider, his role on the PP/PK/5v5 is so big that you dont necessarily want to hand all of that to a prospect. Reilly has been better than Kreider in every way this season, he'd be a good short term replacement in the veteran experience department. I dont see Smith getting moved at the deadline unless some team trades a late first for him. He's too important to the team's success and it's not likely we will be selling everything.

 

[Fitzy]

Can we not pretend like NHL GMs see the game the way we do? Jack Johnson is still playing NHL hockey and he's been terrible analytically for nearly a decade.

Lindgren brings the intangibles that NHL front offices do cartwheels and backflips for. Playoff pedigree, blocks shots, willing to do anything to win. We know he sucks at hockey but that seemingly doesn't matter to most in this league.

Someone will pay him 3-4 years AT LEAST and probably $4m + on the AAV. I'd bet a lot of money on that.

... Which is why trading him on March 7 should be a no brainer. The rental D market is horrific. He will fetch a 2nd and we can likely use that 2nd and another asset to acquire an upgrade like Marcus Pettersson who we can extend

I mean, friendly wager, I'll take that bet.

 

[NYR Viper]

If Drury had any intention of extending Lindgren long term, he would have done so last summer.

The only chance that Lindgren is back next year is on another 1-year deal, but that seems extremely unlikely. Some other team will give him a better offer.

The real question is whether or not Drury trades him before the deadline. If we are in a playoff spot, he may keep him, if only to avoid the fragile room breaking again.

I’m really hoping to see Schneider on the left side shortly. That would indicate to me that the team is preparing for the deal