Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

[McRanger92]

I’m really hoping to see Schneider on the left side shortly. That would indicate to me that the team is preparing for the deal

Im at least encouraged that it's being floated as a possibility.

 

[NYR Viper]

how much better is this team if we replace Kreider, Zibs and Lindgren with NHL replacement level players?

Say, Berard, JTM and or a Pettersson/Walman as LHD

The answer here is a lot better. And that is my expectation for next season.

I also think Drury will find a really good secondary scorer to add to that group too.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Larry is carrying the water for the team like he always does, if you read between the lines the team is about to resign Lindgren and Larry is preparing us all for that with a sympathy piece just like he wrote about trading everyone off when it appeared like that was the only option. Larry imo may as well be working for the team.

I have a completely different view of Brooks. Im not a fan of his. I feel like the team and players have disliked Brooks for over 45 years.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

is there any precedent for an elite player in this league to be consistently and perpetually saddled with a boat anchor solely on the basis of friendship?

like - if it hasn't happened by now, Lindgren will never wear this jersey and not skate next to Fox. If he's here, he's 1LD. That's just how it is. It's the biggest reason why he has to go.

Exactly. Rangers finally find a worthy successor to Leetch after nearly 2 decades and then do everything in their power to handicap him.


But Lindgren is so well loved in the room that I wonder if Drury has cold feet about trading him, especially after the near mutiny after Goodrow and Tuba

Maybe he thinks he can just hang onto him until the summer and let him walk and then blame it on the cap.

 

[kovazub94]

I think Kreider would fetch a significant return. Say what you want about his play this year, but he still has 15 goals in 41 games (30 goal pace).

Kreider is much more difficult to move for sentimental reasons, though. He has been here forever and he's working his way up some significant all-time Ranger lists. Then again, we traded Leetch before he could break Howell's games played record, and Drury has shown himself to be pretty cutthroat when it comes to making moves.

Ideally, we would move Mika and keep Kreider, but I don't know if that will be possible.

I think Lindgren will depend on the return. If the offers are good enough, maybe Drury moves him regardless of where we are in the standings. If that should happen, though, who do we put in that spot? If we have a legit shot at the playoffs, I can't see Drury being okay with any of the LHD from Hartford. Maybe we would shift Schneider to the left side with Fox and bring up Mancini or Ruhwedel. Or maybe we spend a late pick on a cheap replacement.

I only brought up Kreider for illustration in the comparison of what window for a trade would be better - TDL vs offseason. IMO in case of Lindgren TDL would be better (Kreider is probably neutral to more value in the offseason). The "fallout" in terms of the lineup is the unknown and could be addressed in multiple ways. One is where Drury somehow is able to get a bona fide 1LD (whatever this means) externally. Other alternatives could include Schneider to 1LD and someone would then fill up the opened spot at RD, it could include Miller moving up and then again two paths either obtaining 2nd pair LD or again shifting Schneider their and looking for RD...

 

[Vitto79]

only 2 cents I wanna add to this spot on post, is that it is possible the most horrendous part of Zib's game is actually his (complete lack of) defense, visibly contact averse, and ineffective as a checker



disagree as to immediate need
if we still have Jones he is immediately useful, he can't clear the crease so we need to change lines, but he is def a good skater

alternatively, JUST GIVE ROBERTSON A FUGGIN ACTUAL CHANCE, even if he fugs up, we can acid test and see where he is at relative to an NHL game, which is useful to us, either internally or as to trade value

Bern your want and reality are off

Robertson is a call up waiver guy at best

Jones has 1 foot out the door

 

[SA16]

I find it hard to believe that Schneider is capable of being a quality 1LD given his results as a 3RD haven't even been good. That's not to say he'd be worse than Lindgren, of course, but I don't really see that as being a long term solution.

 

[TGWL]

When fans called Staal the worst defensemen in the NHL, they were really looking at a future photo of Lindgren.

Ok, so he's probably not the worst, but there should be 0% contract talks with him for next season.

 

[Fitzy]

Kreider would get a haul.

A 1st, significant prospect, and young roster player.

I've been trying to find a good candidate for a 'hockey trade' (Kreider for a 22 minute LHD) but almost every team that needs a player like Chris also badly needs most of their blueliners. Those that don't are in rebuilding mode.

Mike Matheson has had his offensive role reduced in Montreal thanks to the gangbusters rookie season of Lane Hutson. But he's still playing almost 25 minutes a game. They wouldn't trade him, and if they did, they'd likely want Lafreniere instead.

 

[Machinehead]

I find it hard to believe that Schneider is capable of being a quality 1LD given his results as a 3RD haven't even been good. That's not to say he'd be worse than Lindgren, of course, but I don't really see that as being a long term solution.

He's fine.

 

[kovazub94]

I’m really hoping to see Schneider on the left side shortly. That would indicate to me that the team is preparing for the deal

I don't think Scheider would go LD before anyone is moved. To see if he could do it - already happened earlier in the season.

 

[surlysailor]

Kreider would get a haul.

A 1st, significant prospect, and young roster player.

I've been trying to find a good candidate for a 'hockey trade' (Kreider for a 22 minute LHD) but almost every team that needs a player like Chris also badly needs most of their blueliners. Those that don't are in rebuilding mode.

Mike Matheson has had his offensive role reduced in Montreal thanks to the gangbusters rookie season of Lane Hutson. But he's still playing almost 25 minutes a game. They wouldn't trade him, and if they did, they'd likely want Lafreniere instead.

If Utah were series about pushing for a playoff spot I could see that being a deal. Something around ck for lamoureux,beaudoin & picks (would love to get but or simashhev but that’s highly doubtful). Maybe nyr can get maata in the deal and then send lindgren elsewhere for picks/prospects

 

[McRanger92]

Exactly. Rangers finally find a worthy successor to Leetch after nearly 2 decades and then do everything in their power to handicap him.


But Lindgren is so well loved in the room that I wonder if Drury has cold feet about trading him, especially after the near mutiny after Goodrow and Tuba

Maybe he thinks he can just hang onto him until the summer and let him walk and then blame it on the cap.

This is the theory Ive been going off of.

 

[Machinehead]

The team showed significant improvement when they traded Trouba and then another significant improvement when Borgen came in to full that hole with an NHL body.

If that's them being mad, they can be mad.

 

[LOFIN]

Kreider would get a haul.

A 1st, significant prospect, and young roster player.

I would think that instead of the young player it would be any roster player (or playerS), who the trading team needs to move to make caproom. Kreider is something a contending team could be interested in as a veteran presence and PP weapon in front of the net. But those teams can't afford to give all the type of assets you just described.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

When fans called Staal the worst defensemen in the NHL, they were really looking at a future photo of Lindgren.

Ok, so he's probably not the worst, but there should be 0% contract talks with him for next season.

He’s gotta be the worst in the NHL who played 20 minutes a night and on the first pair

 

[bernmeister]

I am pleading with this team to trade Lindgren for Maata. He is a good buy low candidate and can be resigned for a good amount. Don't get fooled into trying to get the more expensive d men available. Maata is the guy. Do it. Do it.

no imo we need futures
Lindy + lesser pick for better pick
no vets coming back

I look at it this way. If we're looking to move Kreider, his role on the PP/PK/5v5 is so big that you dont necessarily want to hand all of that to a prospect. Reilly has been better than Kreider in every way this season, he'd be a good short term replacement in the veteran experience department. I dont see Smith getting moved at the deadline unless some team trades a late first for him. He's too important to the team's success and it's not likely we will be selling everything.

false narrative does not pass eye test

Bern your want and reality are off

Robertson is a call up waiver guy at best

Jones has 1 foot out the door

NO, not unrealistic
and in any event, there needs to be pushback vs Rs mgmt stupidity

we need to move on like yesterday from Lindy
Jones is an instant plug in
Robertson, we should actually test

ps - everybody [almost] said Rempe to the A
I said play him HERE.
NOW

Give Robertson a shot
what is the worst that can happen?
He fails?
So what!
Lindy is not best fit

Kreider would get a haul.

A 1st, significant prospect, and young roster player.

I've been trying to find a good candidate for a 'hockey trade' (Kreider for a 22 minute LHD) but almost every team that needs a player like Chris also badly needs most of their blueliners. Those that don't are in rebuilding mode.

Mike Matheson has had his offensive role reduced in Montreal thanks to the gangbusters rookie season of Lane Hutson. But he's still playing almost 25 minutes a game. They wouldn't trade him, and if they did, they'd likely want Lafreniere instead.

Healthy Kreider would get A HAUL PLUS!!
but injured kreider, no
pls do not feed the obviously false narrative
which must be repudiated

 

[Vitto79]

no imo we need futures
Lindy + lesser pick for better pick
no vets coming back


false narrative does not pass eye test



NO, not unrealistic
and in any event, there needs to be pushback vs Rs mgmt stupidity

we need to move on like yesterday from Lindy
Jones is an instant plug in
Robertson, we should actually test

ps - everybody [almost] said Rempe to the A
I said play him HERE.
NOW

Give Robertson a shot
what is the worst that can happen?
He fails?
So what!
Lindy is not best fit



Healthy Kreider would get A HAUL PLUS!!
but injured kreider, no
pls do not feed the obviously false narrative
which must be repudiated

Correct and of he’d hurt he should sit and not play 4 nations

 

[Vitto79]

Correct and of he’d hurt he should sit and not play 4 nations

I still think Rempe stinks but will give you credit he’s been better

Not confident it lasts but I’d move Vesey for a pick still and just call up Bedard or Othmaan if anyone goes down

 

[Machinehead]

no imo we need futures
Lindy + lesser pick for better pick
no vets coming back


false narrative does not pass eye test



NO, not unrealistic
and in any event, there needs to be pushback vs Rs mgmt stupidity

we need to move on like yesterday from Lindy
Jones is an instant plug in
Robertson, we should actually test

ps - everybody [almost] said Rempe to the A
I said play him HERE.
NOW

Give Robertson a shot
what is the worst that can happen?
He fails?
So what!
Lindy is not best fit



Healthy Kreider would get A HAUL PLUS!!
but injured kreider, no
pls do not feed the obviously false narrative
which must be repudiated

bern pls

I'm Kreider's biggest defender and Smith has been better in every way imaginable this year.

Kreider looks cooked. Maybe it's just a bad year and he turns it around, but he looks like he's hitting that wall.

 

[bhamill]

We need a tomato emoji bad!

just use Angry Oli!

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

only 2 cents I wanna add to this spot on post, is that it is possible the most horrendous part of Zib's game is actually his (complete lack of) defense, visibly contact averse, and ineffective as a checker



disagree as to immediate need
if we still have Jones he is immediately useful, he can't clear the crease so we need to change lines, but he is def a good skater

alternatively, JUST GIVE ROBERTSON A FUGGIN ACTUAL CHANCE, even if he fugs up, we can acid test and see where he is at relative to an NHL game, which is useful to us, either internally or as to trade value

The only way Robertson gets games is if they are clearly out of the playoff picture. He's been terrible in NHL action and isn't all that great in Hartford.

 

[will1066]

just use Angry Oli!

Not the same. That is for genuine anger at a comment. Tomato -- specifically a splat tomato -- means "boo, but yeah, I enjoyed it begrudgingly."

 

[bhamill]

GAP did the hard work and summed it up perfectly.

It is right there in front of your eyes. The numbers dont lie.

The numbers that actually win and lose games:
49GP 9G 20A 29PTS -24+/-
16 points at EV...
1 5v5 point in 10 games.
Yup. Right in front of our eyes.
That is not near good enough.

 

[TGWL]

The only way Robertson gets games is if they are clearly out of the playoff picture. He's been terrible in NHL action and isn't all that great in Hartford.

I'm convinced I get called up before Robertson.