Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

[TominNC]

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[bernmeister]

I know there's a lot of frustration with Zibanejad. and I know this is the speculation thread where we postulate and fantasize, consort and bedevil.

But there's no way we're moving him. He's paid too much, buyout proof, he's fallen too far, he's ingrained in the leadership and culture, and he has a NMC.

I try to be positive about Zib. He's not going anywhere. Good thing is, with cap rising, a 2C overpaid at 8.5 isn't a killer. could also become a 1W at some point

no
we don't capitulate to him, he capitulates to us

bench his sorry ass indefinitely

This is about the only stance to take with his NMC. For whatever reason I always forget that he doesn't have a team-crippling cap hit, but regardless everyone wants more everything out of him the same way everyone wanted more everything from Trouba.

He's going to be a Ranger for the foreseeable future, might as well hope that he gets better during that time and then figure out what to do once he's too sad to lace em up after Kreider gets traded.

imo wrong narrative

 

[NickyFotiu]

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[SnowblindNYR]

That would reflect in other areas and it just doesn't. You said it yourself, Cuylle puts himself in good positions to shoot. If he's doing that and he's putting pucks on net (and he has, he has the most individual high danger chances on the team since Jan 5) that means that the line is doing their job offensively and someone is getting him the puck in those areas.

Someone tried to compare what is happening with Cuylle to what happened with Kakko when he played with that line. It isn't a good comparison.

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When you're dropping nearly a 4 piece per 60 and you've scored 2 as a group, thats not "hey they're not doing things the right way to score goals" thats "they're doing everything right to score goals except actually score." Players, lines and sometimes entire ass teams go through stretches like this. Jay Woodcroft lost his job last year because of this and the 2013-14 Rangers went through half a season where they collectively like a group shot like this (it turned around as well all know.)

The analysis you applied to Cuylle-Zibanejad-Smith would actually apply to Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko. That was a line that didn't do enough to generate good offensive chances.

Now at a certain point, you need to start burying chances so on that end I agree. I just think that trying to pigeon hole Zibanejad as someone who has been problematic lately or that he's bringing Cuylle down is just horribly lazy analysis that isn't even close to accurate. No other line has come close to replicating the amount of chances that line has been able to put together, and our top 9 has more or less been pretty good during "the resurgence!"

He deserved all the flack in the world of how he played in Oct-Dec. If January is what is he is from this point forward I'd be more than okay with that. Not only is that a player who is going to end up lucking into points along the way, but thats also one who will start to produce through the strength of his own play.

Thats also someone another team will want to trade for in the summer.

I know they get different assignments but how do they compare to the Cully-Chytil-Kakko line?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I know they get different assignments but how do they compare to the Cully-Chytil-Kakko line?

Slightly better analytically.

Those are our 2 best combos all year.

Looking at the numbers for all of our lines and defense, especially lately, it makes me even angrier than Lindgren is still a thing. I don't know how its possible for a player to be so bad and grade out so terribly when pretty much everyone else around him is doing okay or better.

Lavi should get a blow torch to the dome for not allowing Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko an honest shot to get back on track after Chytil returned from injury but allowing Lindgren to continue to play top 4 minutes despite being wolf shit.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I love the coverage of this team man

3 weeks ago Larry is writing articles that everything not nailed down needs to be sold and this team needs to start over

And today he’s putting out sympathy articles for Ryan Lindgren on why the Rangers should keep him around

just great stuff

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

lol I’ve said it before but I’ll believe lindgren is gone and off this team when he is traded. Until that time,I firmly believe this organization is going to hold onto him and then sign him.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I love the coverage of this team man

3 weeks ago Larry is writing articles that everything not nailed down needs to be sold and this team needs to start over

And today he’s putting out sympathy articles for Ryan Lindgren on why the Rangers should keep him around

just great stuff

If the rangers keep Lindgren around that would be the final straw for Drury.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I love the coverage of this team man

3 weeks ago Larry is writing articles that everything not nailed down needs to be sold and this team needs to start over

And today he’s putting out sympathy articles for Ryan Lindgren on why the Rangers should keep him around

just great stuff

He’s always been a Lindgren simp tho right?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If the rangers keep Lindgren around that would be the final straw for Drury.

Yeah there are a bunch of bad moves that could be done but I can't think of one that could possibly be worse than this.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Yeah there are a bunch of bad moves that could be done but I can't think of one that could possibly be worse than this.

Wait til you see the NMC

 

[McRanger92]

Lindgren is the most obvious Girardi/Staal extension candidate I’ve ever seen. Fireable offense.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Except the problem here is, that the average fan doesn’t know shit and love lindgren, so of course Larry will write his pieces to test the waters for drury on his next contract for Lindy

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Except the problem here is, that the average fan doesn’t know shit and love lindgren, so of course Larry will write his pieces to test the waters for drury on his next contract for Lindy

I think even Larry knows what’s up.

He didn’t like that people were saying mean things about Lindgren but even acknowledged that he isn’t very good anymore. When Larry is doing that for a player of that ilk you know it’s gone bad.

 

[NickyFotiu]

lol I’ve said it before but I’ll believe lindgren is gone and off this team when he is traded. Until that time,I firmly believe this organization is going to hold onto him and then sign him.

I kind of disagree. I think when Drury feels good about someone he commits. He has made that commitment to Shesty, Laffy, and Borgen already in the last 2 months. If he was sure about Lindy I think the deal might already be done. Since its not I get the feeling Drury is far from 100% sold. I also could be 100% wrong as usual lol

 

[Siddi]

That would reflect in other areas and it just doesn't. You said it yourself, Cuylle puts himself in good positions to shoot. If he's doing that and he's putting pucks on net (and he has, he has the most individual high danger chances on the team since Jan 5) that means that the line is doing their job offensively and someone is getting him the puck in those areas.

Someone tried to compare what is happening with Cuylle to what happened with Kakko when he played with that line. It isn't a good comparison.

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When you're dropping nearly a 4 piece per 60 and you've scored 2 as a group, thats not "hey they're not doing things the right way to score goals" thats "they're doing everything right to score goals except actually score." Players, lines and sometimes entire ass teams go through stretches like this. Jay Woodcroft lost his job last year because of this and the 2013-14 Rangers went through half a season where they collectively like a group shot like this (it turned around as well all know.)

The analysis you applied to Cuylle-Zibanejad-Smith would actually apply to Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko. That was a line that didn't do enough to generate good offensive chances.

Now at a certain point, you need to start burying chances so on that end I agree. I just think that trying to pigeon hole Zibanejad as someone who has been problematic lately or that he's bringing Cuylle down is just horribly lazy analysis that isn't even close to accurate. No other line has come close to replicating the amount of chances that line has been able to put together, and our top 9 has more or less been pretty good during "the resurgence!"

He deserved all the flack in the world of how he played in Oct-Dec. If January is what is he is from this point forward I'd be more than okay with that. Not only is that a player who is going to end up lucking into points along the way, but thats also one who will start to produce through the strength of his own play.

Thats also someone another team will want to trade for in the summer.

Slightly better analytically.

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Those are our 2 best combos all year.

Looking at the numbers for all of our lines and defense, especially lately, it makes me even angrier than Lindgren is still a thing. I don't know how its possible for a player to be so bad and grade out so terribly when pretty much everyone else around him is doing okay or better.

Lavi should get a blow torch to the dome for not allowing Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko an honest shot to get back on track after Chytil returned from injury but allowing Lindgren to continue to play top 4 minutes despite being wolf shit.

GAP did the hard work and summed it up perfectly.

It is right there in front of your eyes. The numbers dont lie.

 

[Alluckks]

That would reflect in other areas and it just doesn't. You said it yourself, Cuylle puts himself in good positions to shoot. If he's doing that and he's putting pucks on net (and he has, he has the most individual high danger chances on the team since Jan 5) that means that the line is doing their job offensively and someone is getting him the puck in those areas.

Someone tried to compare what is happening with Cuylle to what happened with Kakko when he played with that line. It isn't a good comparison.

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When you're dropping nearly a 4 piece per 60 and you've scored 2 as a group, thats not "hey they're not doing things the right way to score goals" thats "they're doing everything right to score goals except actually score." Players, lines and sometimes entire ass teams go through stretches like this. Jay Woodcroft lost his job last year because of this and the 2013-14 Rangers went through half a season where they collectively like a group shot like this (it turned around as well all know.)

The analysis you applied to Cuylle-Zibanejad-Smith would actually apply to Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko. That was a line that didn't do enough to generate good offensive chances.

Now at a certain point, you need to start burying chances so on that end I agree. I just think that trying to pigeon hole Zibanejad as someone who has been problematic lately or that he's bringing Cuylle down is just horribly lazy analysis that isn't even close to accurate. No other line has come close to replicating the amount of chances that line has been able to put together, and our top 9 has more or less been pretty good during "the resurgence!"

He deserved all the flack in the world of how he played in Oct-Dec. If January is what is he is from this point forward I'd be more than okay with that. Not only is that a player who is going to end up lucking into points along the way, but thats also one who will start to produce through the strength of his own play.

Thats also someone another team will want to trade for in the summer.

Yeah, Cuylle and Smith do all the work and Zib can't connect a rush pass in a good spot to save his life.

The only thing worse than Zibs passing and defense this year is his shot. Zib does a great job just being there as good spots for chances are generated and he is in the middle of f***ing it all up.

The common denominator for a line being good is Cuylle. The common denominator for a line being bad is Zib. You don't need to do calculus when the addition and subtraction paints a pretty clear picture.

The dude sucks, and is an active detriment to the team.

I get the advanced statistics. I know how they work and their usefulness. I'm not gonna go to those lengths to justify Zib is actually okay rather than the complete abysmal ass that everyone on the planet sees out there every single night.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Did a quick read through the post game thread and NYR HF was really cooking. Key takeaways:

-Fox is bad
-Sam Carrick would help PP1

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

I love the coverage of this team man

3 weeks ago Larry is writing articles that everything not nailed down needs to be sold and this team needs to start over

And today he’s putting out sympathy articles for Ryan Lindgren on why the Rangers should keep him around

just great stuff

Guy is such a clown. It’s always these shit “lunch pail” plugs that get all the sympathy. Any time their ineffectiveness is pointed out it always has to be prefaced with some sob story about the sacrifices they’ve made for the team and everything they’ve done

 

[RangerBoy]

Brooks has always been a waffler. He has no conviction. Believe in something. As was pointed earlier, the Rangers were a disgrace to the city and nearly everyone needed to be shipped out of town three weeks ago. A few weeks later, this core group has another three years left in the them after a good road trip. When the Rangers lost to Colorado on Sunday, the Rangers are fighting an uphill battle for a playoff spot because their 5-14 malaise has left them with little margin for error. The Rangers are not fighting one team for a playoff spot. They are battling 1/2 of the eastern conference for the last two spots. One team wins three straight games. The other team loses three straight games. They are all bunched up together.

I remember in 2019, Brooks wanted the Rangers to re-sign Kevin Hayes right before the trade deadline. He was a big center and those players are hard to find. Hayes wanted to get paid and he did. 7 years/$50M. The Flyers traded his contract to the Blues at 50% for basically nothing and the Blues traded his contract to Pittsburgh with a 2nd round pick. Hayes has one more season remaining on his contract and he will probably be out of the league when the contract expires.

Ryan Lindgren. I am sure Adam Fox would love to see his buddy stay here. That doesn't help the Rangers.

 

[RangerBoy]

Guy is such a clown. It’s always these shit “lunch pail” plugs that get all the sympathy. Any time their ineffectiveness is pointed out it always has to be prefaced with some sob story about the sacrifices they’ve made for the team and everything they’ve done

Sacrifices? The Rangers have paid him for his services. $13.5M over the last four seasons including this one. Some team will give Lindgren ~$5M to $5.5M this summer.

 

[eco's bones]

I don't think Lindgren has been bad but he needs to go. He's a $4.5 mil 20 point production defenseman and not an ideal first pair or ideal partner for Fox. I'd much prefer a larger partner who could take some of the physicality heat off of Fox.

This team resurgence could be a problem in that regard----it might mean we make a run for the playoffs and fall short. At the same not move on from the UFA's but instead be buyers at the deadline and add even more rentals and move picks, prospects.

I'm on the fence with acquiring JT. Depends on for what. I'm not on the fence as far as moving Lindgren, Smith and other UFA's out for whatever we can get. We should do that. If there were a way I'd absolutely move Mika at this point. With his contract I just don't see it. I don't see him a 1st line winger either. Kreider I'm open to moving. He's had a bad year and no it's not just Mika. He's produced almost nothing with Filip's line either. 2 assists. Sam Carrick has 10.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I love the coverage of this team man

3 weeks ago Larry is writing articles that everything not nailed down needs to be sold and this team needs to start over

And today he’s putting out sympathy articles for Ryan Lindgren on why the Rangers should keep him around

just great stuff

Larry is carrying the water for the team like he always does, if you read between the lines the team is about to resign Lindgren and Larry is preparing us all for that with a sympathy piece just like he wrote about trading everyone off when it appeared like that was the only option. Larry imo may as well be working for the team.

 

[Vitto79]

Can’t have Lindgren become another Girardi so shod trade but he likely just walks as a ufa

Problem this year is they will keep trying so they would need an immediate replacement

 

[GAGLine]

If Drury had any intention of extending Lindgren long term, he would have done so last summer.

The only chance that Lindgren is back next year is on another 1-year deal, but that seems extremely unlikely. Some other team will give him a better offer.

The real question is whether or not Drury trades him before the deadline. If we are in a playoff spot, he may keep him, if only to avoid the fragile room breaking again.