Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

[leetch99]

We might be a Lindgren upgrade from being good regardless of what happens with JT Miller

Schneider moves up and plays the left side with Fox and then we are looking for a 5-6 Dman......I think Schneider needs the elevated role to finally take that next step . Buried on the 3rd pairing is not doing any favors for the Rangers or Schneider . That 5-6 dman could be Lindgren but as many know....he would soon enough be moved up with Fox . It would be nice though if we also upgraded at least one of the 5-6 spots and not relied on the Lindgren/Vak combo . Bigger/meaner is my preference there . I'm sure Drury is doing his due duty on this.....as everything stems from solid D and limiting chances on Shesty .

 

[Mikachu93]

Canucks got blown out by Edmonton without McDavid.

A week ago they were ready to blow it up after a bad loss.

Maybe this Miller thing comes to a head today. We don’t play til Sunday. Feels like a perfect storm

 

[gump116]

If we are not playing Schneider on the right side, why not just trade him for a top 4 LD? RD have higher trade value than LD typically.

Yeah if they keep Borgen then it makes sense to use Schneider or Mancini to upgrade at LD or another position. Probably easier to make a move like that in the summer, but if they could get a top 4 LD now to pair with Fox long term they should do it.

I like Schneider, but if Miller-Borgen can be a reliable second pair, then it probably makes sense to trade Schneider while his value is still high, rather than when he’s looked at as a bottom pairing D. To your point, try to trade him in a package for a slightly better LD given position value. Resign Borgen and Miller and have a D going forward of:

LD upgrade-Fox
Miller-Borgen
Vaas-Mancini

 

[McRanger92]

Pens lost 5-1 to the Ducks. Ugly. Marcus Pettersson is the guy on defense for us. Perfect partner for Fox. Could see Garand and Mancini being guys the Pens would have interest in, that are a bit blocked on our end. Would PIT trade Bryan Rust? Would be a perfect guy for the Panarin line. Would allow Laf to shift back to the left on a different line. Not much interest in anyone else there.

 

[bhamill]

Yeah if they keep Borgen then it makes sense to use Schroeder or Mancini to upgrade at LD or another position. Probably easier to make a move like that in the summer, but if they could get a top 4 LD now to pair with Fox long term they should do it.

I like Schneider, but if Miller-Borgen can be a reliable second pair, then it probably makes sense to trade Schneider while his value is still high, rather than when he’s looked at as a bottom pairing D. To your point, try to trade him in a package for a slightly better LD given position value. Resign Borgen and Miller and have a D going forward of:

LD upgrade-Fox
Miller-Borgen
Vaas-Mancini

Everything depends on the return, but trading a big 23 year old physical dman who can skate should NOT be what we are looking to do. He’s exactly the type of D man we are always looking for. Schneider can also play either side. You don’t trade him unless it’s a massive upgrade.

 

[GAGLine]

Pens lost 5-1 to the Ducks. Ugly. Marcus Pettersson is the guy on defense for us. Perfect partner for Fox. Could see Garand and Mancini being guys the Pens would have interest in, that are a bit blocked on our end. Would PIT trade Bryan Rust? Would be a perfect guy for the Panarin line. Would allow Laf to shift back to the left on a different line. Not much interest in anyone else there.

Which line? The 4th? We've got Panarin, Kreider and Cuylle on the left side. If we are acquiring a RW, that would bump Kaliyev from the lineup.

Are we trading for both Miller and Rust? Rust has 3 years left on his deal at 5.125 mil and he turns 33 in May. Pettersson makes just over 4 mil and is a pending UFA. How much will it cost to re-sign him? K'Andre and Cuylle both need new contracts. Borgen too, if we are re-signing him.

We don't have unlimited cap space.

 

[bl02]

No to trading Garand unless a young Cost controlled player is coming back.

 

[McRanger92]

Which line? The 4th? We've got Panarin, Kreider and Cuylle on the left side. If we are acquiring a RW, that would bump Kaliyev from the lineup.

Are we trading for both Miller and Rust? Rust has 3 years left on his deal at 5.125 mil and he turns 33 in May. Pettersson makes just over 4 mil and is a pending UFA. How much will it cost to re-sign him? K'Andre and Cuylle both need new contracts. Borgen too, if we are re-signing him.

We don't have unlimited cap space.

I would re-sign Pettersson. The Rangers will have flexibility this summer. Kreider is going to get trouba/Goodrow'd if he doesnt get moved sooner. The writing is on the wall. Cuylle can also play the right side. Id go for JT over Rust but Rust might be another solid option if the JT stuff falls through. Just speculating in the speculation thread.

No to trading Garand unless a young Cost controlled player is coming back.

Garand has exponentially more value to a team needing a goaltender, than a team who just gave theirs an immovable 8 year extension. Dont disagree we'd want a cost controlled guy but I'd say hes a top trade chip, especially after being named an All-star.

 

[MrAlmost]

I'd rather buy low and buy smart. Trade Lindgren to Utah for Maata and a pick. Resign Maata. Better D be committee. Trade Jones whenever. Call up Ruhwedel.
Maata-Fox
Miller-Borgen
Vaak-Schneider
Ruhwedel

In the summer sign Gavrikov.
Gav-Fox
Miller-Borgen
Maata-Schneider
Vaak-Mancini

 

[McRanger92]

I'd rather buy low and buy smart. Trade Lindgren to Utah for Maata and a pick. Resign Maata. Better D be committee. Trade Jones whenever. Call up Ruhwedel.
Maata-Fox
Miller-Borgen
Vaak-Schneider
Ruhwedel

In the summer sign Gavrikov.
Gav-Fox
Miller-Borgen
Maata-Schneider
Vaak-Mancini

Not the worst plan. Marcus Pettersson is my target but he going to be a big fish on the rental market. Borgen to me is a priority to re-sign, given how much he has saved K'Andre, who looks like a different player. Your D by committee point is well taken. We have our #1 & 2 d-men on the roster, provided they play up to it. Sell Lindgren separately and add a Maata or Dumolin (or Ian Cole who I like less but fits the prototype).

 

[GAGLine]

Garand has exponentially more value to a team needing a goaltender, than a team who just gave theirs an immovable 8 year extension.

If we can get an Askarov like return for him, I'd be okay with moving him, but I doubt he has that kind of value. There's no rush to trade him. We can have him as the backup next season, and maybe the season after as well. He's only 22. Let him show what he can do at the NHL level and hopefully increase his value before we make any decisions.

Meanwhile, we can evaluate Boyko at the AHL level. Boyko has had a good year. If he looks like he has the potential to at least be a backup in the NHL, that will make Garand more expendable.

I expect we'll draft a goalie this year too. We haven't drafted one since Boyko in 2021.

 

[TGWL]

We have 1 regulation win less than Oilers who lead us by 10 points. Had we benefited from making it to OT instead of getting wrecked all the time, we'd be viewed differently.

Well if you want Rantanen you're going to have to move him sooner than that and hope that he doesnt extend in Colorado.

I think you're going to have to hope he doesn't extend and try your luck in free agency. The cost seems too much for a team not near the top of the standings.

 

[TGWL]

I'd rather buy low and buy smart. Trade Lindgren to Utah for Maata and a pick. Resign Maata. Better D be committee. Trade Jones whenever. Call up Ruhwedel.
Maata-Fox
Miller-Borgen
Vaak-Schneider
Ruhwedel

In the summer sign Gavrikov.
Gav-Fox
Miller-Borgen
Maata-Schneider
Vaak-Mancini

That seems like it could be too much money on defense if everybody wants to get paid. Negotiations will Miller and Gavrikov concern me as far as what they want.

 

[TheDirtyH]

TBH I don't know if there's a perfect partner for fox. I think you'd ideally want someone with more mobility and some good offensive instincts, ala Hronek or Toews, especially because that's three coaches now who prefer K'Andre's par as a matchup pair (And who prefer to separate Miller and Fox). I think we should aim for a stable 3RD and move Schneider to Fox's left. Swap Jones for a similar caliber vet 3rd pair guy from a team that would want to take a flier on him.

Of course, the team is back to winning and Lindgren is on the first pair so signs pointing to us being closer to re-signing 55 than swapping a new partner for Fox in his spot before next season.

 

[McRanger92]

I did not realize Vaakanainen has another year of team control as an RFA with arb rights. Makes the Trouba trade even better

 

[bernmeister]

Replace Lindgren with Pettersson
Offload Kreider
Offload Mika
Acquire JT Miller
Bring Berard back up

When Panarin's contract expires don't resign him and use that money for Rantanen or McDavid

Replace Lindgren with Pettersson
yes, lose Lindy but no on Pett.
keep roster spot flexible/room for Gavrikov as ufa if we don't do my megadeal w/LA [incl shesty + tro for Byfield, Helenius, Clarke and Dvorak]

Offload Kreider
NO I've explained

Offload Mika
yes I've explained

Acquire JT Miller
yes, if for scraps as I've suggested

Bring Berard back up
We'd all like that but until Mika is actually gone, not gonna happen unless Kaliyev or pref Smith is moved

When Panarin's contract expires don't resign him and use that money for Rantanen or McDavid
yes, don't re-sign [in fact sell now to get value]
no on Rant
yes on McD [<1% he leaves EDM]

cap space is always good be careful applying to foundation moves, minimize splurges

Pens lost 5-1 to the Ducks. Ugly. Marcus Pettersson is the guy on defense for us. Perfect partner for Fox. Could see Garand and Mancini being guys the Pens would have interest in, that are a bit blocked on our end. Would PIT trade Bryan Rust? Would be a perfect guy for the Panarin line. Would allow Laf to shift back to the left on a different line. Not much interest in anyone else there.

Marc Pett DO NOT WANT
totally NO on moving Gar or Man
again, NO on adding vets e.g. Rust, go w/youth

No to trading Garand unless a young Cost controlled player is coming back.

while there is an exception to every rule
rule here is Garand is nec either
a) we do my deal, Shesty to LA for a haul, and he is groomed asap under Quick to become starter
b) Shesty stays, when Quick retires, we have Garand

I would re-sign Pettersson. The Rangers will have flexibility this summer. Kreider is going to get trouba/Goodrow'd if he doesnt get moved sooner. The writing is on the wall. Cuylle can also play the right side. Id go for JT over Rust but Rust might be another solid option if the JT stuff falls through. Just speculating in the speculation thread.



Garand has exponentially more value to a team needing a goaltender, than a team who just gave theirs an immovable 8 year extension. Dont disagree we'd want a cost controlled guy but I'd say hes a top trade chip, especially after being named an All-star.

1st para addressed already
2nd par is true, but we don't want to ordinarily move him

I'd rather buy low and buy smart. Trade Lindgren to Utah for Maata and a pick. Resign Maata. Better D be committee. Trade Jones whenever. Call up Ruhwedel.
Maata-Fox
Miller-Borgen
Vaak-Schneider
Ruhwedel

In the summer sign Gavrikov.
Gav-Fox
Miller-Borgen
Maata-Schneider
Vaak-Mancini

Lindy to UT now for best possible pick

TBH I don't know if there's a perfect partner for fox. I think you'd ideally want someone with more mobility and some good offensive instincts, ala Hronek or Toews, especially because that's three coaches now who prefer K'Andre's par as a matchup pair (And who prefer to separate Miller and Fox). I think we should aim for a stable 3RD and move Schneider to Fox's left. Swap Jones for a similar caliber vet 3rd pair guy from a team that would want to take a flier on him.

Of course, the team is back to winning and Lindgren is on the first pair so signs pointing to us being closer to re-signing 55 than swapping a new partner for Fox in his spot before next season.

best partner for Fox is OTT's Sanderson
best move is to sell him high there for top top $

 

[RGY]

VAN fans feelings toward the Miller situation have gone from bad to worse. This sounds even worse than the Zibanejad situation for us.

 

[TheDirtyH]

best partner for Fox is OTT's Sanderson
best move is to sell him high there for top top $

There isn't a universe that Sanderson is moved. Ottawa couldn't wait to lock him up for as long as possible. He's the #1.

You have to look for a blueline that's a little overcrowded or non-diverse. Also teams in some flux, which there are many. I wouldn't be against dipping in the Seattle pool again if they continue to stink. Or Anaheim for that matter. They've got LaCombe, Zellweger and Mintkutov on the left side, would they move one of them?

I think if I were really going "all-in" on contending in the near future, my #1 target would be Weeger in Calgary. If you could get him for a package of like Lindgren, Othmann/Emery, and a first I'd do that without a doubt.

 

[MrAlmost]

That seems like it could be too much money on defense if everybody wants to get paid. Negotiations will Miller and Gavrikov concern me as far as what they want.

I'm not worried. Cap will be pretty high next season. Kreider will be gone. He looks like the last holdout of being upset out there. Seems everyone else has decided winning is more fun.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

There isn't a universe that Sanderson is moved. Ottawa couldn't wait to lock him up for as long as possible. He's the #1.

You have to look for a blueline that's a little overcrowded or non-diverse. Also teams in some flux, which there are many. I wouldn't be against dipping in the Seattle pool again if they continue to stink. Or Anaheim for that matter. They've got LaCombe, Zellweger and Mintkutov on the left side, would they move one of them?

I think if I were really going "all-in" on contending in the near future, my #1 target would be Weeger in Calgary. If you could get him for a package of like Lindgren, Othmann/Emery, and a first I'd do that without a doubt.

He's actually talking about trading Fox to Ottawa. Because Bern.

 

[lakeshirts37]

I did not realize Vaakanainen has another year of team control as an RFA with arb rights. Makes the Trouba trade even better

Drury absolutely fleeced Anaheim

 

[TGWL]

There isn't a universe that Sanderson is moved. Ottawa couldn't wait to lock him up for as long as possible. He's the #1.

You have to look for a blueline that's a little overcrowded or non-diverse. Also teams in some flux, which there are many. I wouldn't be against dipping in the Seattle pool again if they continue to stink. Or Anaheim for that matter. They've got LaCombe, Zellweger and Mintkutov on the left side, would they move one of them?

I think if I were really going "all-in" on contending in the near future, my #1 target would be Weeger in Calgary. If you could get him for a package of like Lindgren, Othmann/Emery, and a first I'd do that without a doubt.

I think he may have been suggesting sell Fox to Ottawa.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Sounds more and more like the only team that is seriously interested in JTM is the Rangers. We should stick to our guns or even back the offer down. He has an NMC. That combined with the fact that not many suitors out there can absorb his contract, means the market is extremely thin. Rangers have all the leverage and we should fleece the canucks or move on.

 

[ThePeoplesPeople]

Beautiful day for a trade. We shall see

 

[McRanger92]

Beautiful day for a trade. We shall see

My antenna is up @ThePeoplesPeople