Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

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I like Pettersson but I really like Walman. Would cost much more though. I’d like a goal scoring threat like Chychrun but that ship has sailed.

We have Berard as another winger. I love Kaliyevs shot. Best example last night, he can score from anywhere. If he works on his first few steps/explosiveness he can be a good player

I keep seeing Walman but he has another year on his deal. The cost to acquire him will be too much IMO.

I'd look to find a player, like Ian Cole, who will likely cost very little as well as a good bottom-pairing d-man and roll forward in to the playoffs. It's not the 'big push' but I'd be pretty happy with that.

To VAN
Chytil + Lindgren + 1st (top-12 protected)

to NYR
Miller + Desharnais


to Utah
5th

to NYR
Ian Cole


To TOR
Jimmy Vesey

To NYR
5th


To Vegas
Reilly Smith

to NYR
3rd '25 + 2nd '26


Panarin-Trochek-Lafreniere
Kreider-Miller-Kailyev
Cuylle-Zibanejad-Berard/Othmann
Edstrom-Carrick-Rempe/Berard

Cole-Fox
Miller-Borgen
Vaak-Schneider
Desharnais
 
We've seen what we thought was offered for Miller, maybe there's a dman coming back in the deal too? If it's miller and a guy who can even take 3rd pair mins i think we're a better team, not that i dislike Chytil because I love what he brings, when he's healthy, but I dont see this team as being deep enough to be able to have him on the roster in a playoff run, and believe me he's gonna pop if he gets to Vancouver and might be what Boeser needs. However, having a center to play all areas of the game, great shooter, guy who cares, adds strength to the top 6, we have to do it. Looking ahead at a Cuylle Miller Othmann line reminds me of what Florida had last year. My only wish is that Sykora wasn't included, I like his energy.

Picture even this year

Cuylle Miller Berard/Smith
Panarin Trochek Lafreniere
Kreider Zibanejad Berard/Smith
Edstrom Carrick Rempe/Vesey
 
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Don’t trade for Miller, the team is playing well, the lines are gelling. The rangers still need to have a mind for the future and I’d still like to see them trade off the rentals, maybe with the exception of Borgen if there’s a chance that they sign him.
 
We've seen what we thought was offered for Miller, maybe there's a dman coming back in the deal too? If it's miller and a guy who can even take 3rd pair mins i think we're a better team, not that i dislike Chytil because I love what he brings, when he's healthy, but I dont see this team as being deep enough to be able to have him on the roster in a playoff run, and believe me he's gonna pop if he gets to Vancouver and might be what Boeser needs. However, having a center to play all areas of the game, great shooter, guy who cares, adds strength to the top 6, we have to do it. Looking ahead at a Cuylle Miller Othmann line reminds me of what Florida had last year. My only wish is that Sykora wasn't included, I like his energy.

Picture even this year

Cuylle Miller Berard
Panarin Trochek Lafreniere
Kreider Zibanejad Berard/Smith
Edstrom Carrick Rempe/Vesey

I think this is well said. Chytil is good but a limited player. He's a liability against the other team's top guys. I still have flashbacks to him being later to cover his man on the Forsling goal in ECF Game 4. the finishing ability and injury concerns are real as well. I think the rumored package is still a deal you dont hesitate to make. But there's no reason to be hasty with how the team is playing right now. JT is here on the Rangers terms, or no terms.
 
I keep seeing Walman but he has another year on his deal. The cost to acquire him will be too much IMO.

I'd look to find a player, like Ian Cole, who will likely cost very little as well as a good bottom-pairing d-man and roll forward in to the playoffs. It's not the 'big push' but I'd be pretty happy with that.

To VAN
Chytil + Lindgren + 1st (top-12 protected)

to NYR
Miller + Desharnais


to Utah
5th

to NYR
Ian Cole


To TOR
Jimmy Vesey

To NYR
5th


To Vegas
Reilly Smith

to NYR
3rd '25 + 2nd '26


Panarin-Trochek-Lafreniere
Kreider-Miller-Kailyev
Cuylle-Zibanejad-Berard/Othmann
Edstrom-Carrick-Rempe/Berard

Cole-Fox
Miller-Borgen
Vaak-Schneider
Desharnais
If we're making a push for the playoffs with trades. I don't think we're trading Smith away.
 
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If we're making a push for the playoffs with trades. I don't think we're trading Smith away.

Unless the Rangers are getting back the 2nd they traded for him originally, It's worth it to self rent Reilly if we are in a playoff spot. He's important on the PK and that pairing with Mika is defending well without Kreider weighing them down. Cuylle's speed and physicality works there. Like a young #20. Sam keeps getting them confused lol.
 
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Cuylle RFA
Edstrom RFA
Miller RFA
Jones RFA
Rempe RFA
Borgen UFA
Smith UFA
Vaakanainen UFA
Lindgren UFA
Vesey UFA
Quick UFA

22.5 million in estimated available cap space next season.
If Drury acquires JT Miller and his 8 mil that leaves 14.5 million left to sign:
2 forwards
4 d-men
1 goalie
Just to get to a 20 man roster.
the cap is going up considerably....

What number do Borgen and Vaakanainen want to extend here? Both guys have been great fits. not flashy but they are the defensive depth the team needs, that will always be useful. Borgen is Trouba at his best at a fraction of the cap hit. Urho is positionally solid and ist afraid to get his hands dirty for a smallish guy. They've made K'Andre and Schneider much better. Impressed at the work Drury did with those trades.
really shows how egregious the Trouba contract is
 
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I think this is well said. Chytil is good but a limited player. He's a liability against the other team's top guys. I still have flashbacks to him being later to cover his man on the Forsling goal in ECF Game 4. the finishing ability and injury concerns are real as well. I think the rumored package is still a deal you dont hesitate to make. But there's no reason to be hasty with how the team is playing right now. JT is here on the Rangers terms, or no terms.
If you're concerned about Chytil's defense, just wait till you see JT's attention to detail.
 
I think this is well said. Chytil is good but a limited player. He's a liability against the other team's top guys. I still have flashbacks to him being later to cover his man on the Forsling goal in ECF Game 4. the finishing ability and injury concerns are real as well. I think the rumored package is still a deal you dont hesitate to make. But there's no reason to be hasty with how the team is playing right now. JT is here on the Rangers terms, or no terms.
That isn't a fair criticism. He hardly played in the playoffs coming off a very serious injury. He wasn't anywhere near the player then than he is today, or at other times when he has been fully healthy.

This sounds like a rationalization for trading him for Miller, whom you obviously are very keen on acquiring. Yes, health is a concern with Chytil, but when he is healthy, he is one of our best play drivers at 5 on 5.

Can you honestly tell me that you'd rather trade Chytil for Miller than Mika for Miller? Not that the latter is a possibility, but you don't need to unfairly criticize Chytil to support your narrative.
 
I keep seeing Walman but he has another year on his deal. The cost to acquire him will be too much IMO.

I'd look to find a player, like Ian Cole, who will likely cost very little as well as a good bottom-pairing d-man and roll forward in to the playoffs. It's not the 'big push' but I'd be pretty happy with that.

To VAN
Chytil + Lindgren + 1st (top-12 protected)

to NYR
Miller + Desharnais


to Utah
5th

to NYR
Ian Cole


To TOR
Jimmy Vesey

To NYR
5th


To Vegas
Reilly Smith

to NYR
3rd '25 + 2nd '26


Panarin-Trochek-Lafreniere
Kreider-Miller-Kailyev
Cuylle-Zibanejad-Berard/Othmann
Edstrom-Carrick-Rempe/Berard

Cole-Fox
Miller-Borgen
Vaak-Schneider
Desharnais
I’d rather pay extra for that year than a rental

Not a fan of Cole with Fox. I’d rather try Schneider there
 
That isn't a fair criticism. He hardly played in the playoffs coming off a very serious injury. He wasn't anywhere near the player then than he is today, or at other times when he has been fully healthy.

This sounds like a rationalization for trading him for Miller, whom you obviously are very keen on acquiring. Yes, health is a concern with Chytil, but when he is healthy, he is one of our best play drivers at 5 on 5.

Can you honestly tell me that you'd rather trade Chytil for Miller than Mika for Miller? Not that the latter is a possibility, but you don't need to unfairly criticize Chytil to support your narrative.
I’m not even convinced trading Chytil for Miller makes us that much better at 5v5. On special teams sure, but 5v5 it is not a guarantee. Chytil is also our best puck transporter, he can play off the cycle and the rush, he actually attacks the middle of the ice with the puck. This trade makes us much older and complicates the cap and roster flexibility in the future. I just hate it the more I think about it.
 
That isn't a fair criticism. He hardly played in the playoffs coming off a very serious injury. He wasn't anywhere near the player then than he is today, or at other times when he has been fully healthy.

This sounds like a rationalization for trading him for Miller, whom you obviously are very keen on acquiring. Yes, health is a concern with Chytil, but when he is healthy, he is one of our best play drivers at 5 on 5.

Can you honestly tell me that you'd rather trade Chytil for Miller than Mika for Miller? Not that the latter is a possibility, but you don't need to unfairly criticize Chytil to support your narrative.
I think everyone would prefer to move on from Mika.

But Chytil is just too unreliable. The talent and potential is there.
 
If Chytil were able to stay healthy, there's no need to trade for Miller. But he can't and it sucks. A motivated Miller would be a big get for this team.
 
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I’d rather pay extra for that year than a rental

Not a fan of Cole with Fox. I’d rather try Schneider there

I thought about that too. Maybe do that and back-fill with Cole on the 3rd pairing. Either way, I'm not keen to trade a 1st for any d-man at this deadline. I truly think that the Rangers will have cap space to get the right guy to play 1LD this off-season so no need to waste more assets on that spot. Gavrikov is my guy
 
I thought about that too. Maybe do that and back-fill with Cole on the 3rd pairing. Either way, I'm not keen to trade a 1st for any d-man at this deadline. I truly think that the Rangers will have cap space to get the right guy to play 1LD this off-season so no need to waste more assets on that spot. Gavrikov is my guy
no doubt I target Gavrikov.... but depending on cost of acquistion for Walman, next season dgroup of...

Gavrikov Fox
KAM Borgen
Walman Schneider
Vaak Mancini

pretty stacked
 

The Rangers are back — and just in time for playoff push

I’d never quite seen anything like the 19-game stretch bridging November and December in which the Rangers won four and lost 15 in regulation.

And I’m not sure I’ve seen anything like this dramatic turnaround that began the first week of 2025 in which the Blueshirts have gone 7-1-3 to wedge their way smack dab into the playoff picture.

This is the sentence that I never believed I would write this season:

They’re back, baby!

The Blueshirts danced and slugged while tampering with the Senators’ playoff dreams to the tune of 5-0 at the Garden on Tuesday to move within two points of Ottawa, Boston and Montreal, all tied for the East’s two wild-card spots.

The entire season — with or without J.T. Miller — lays ahead of them. Suddenly — and this surely qualifies as suddenly — the possibilities seem endless.

The Boomerang Season.

This was a full 60-minute display in which Igor Shesterkin extended his shutout streak to 164:04 with his second consecutive whitewash. The Rangers pushed the pace. They controlled possession for shifts at a time below the hash marks. They sent bodies and pucks to the net at one end and crashed the Ottawa net at the other end.

“We had a great game tonight, defensively one of our best games of the season,” said Shesterkin, pristine in his movements and rebound control for the second straight night following his 1-0 shootout victory over the Jackets here on Saturday. “Offensively, too.”

Shesterkin joined a brouhaha behind the net, throwing a gloved hand followed by a blocker at Brady Tkachuk after the Senators captain banged the goaltender in his crease at 7:09 of the third, 3:25 after Matt Rempe went up top on his backhand to extend the Blueshirts’ lead to 3-0.

Shesterkin missed a week on IR when he was banged into by Sam Bennett — with help from Ryan Lindgren — in his crease in the third period of the Blueshirts’ Dec. 30 defeat in Florida during which the club’s compete level ratcheted up for the first time in months.

The netminder joined the fray after all five Rangers swarmed to the crease to defend Shesterkin. It is possible that the time on IR helped No. 31 to reset after his game had intermittently begun to break down behind a broken and porous defense.

“Maybe yes, maybe not,” Shesterkin said about the enforced break. “I just focused on my things, refreshed my brain, worked a little bit with our goalie coach [Jeff Malcolm] just doing our things.”

Rempe was doing his things in this one, even getting seven — seven! — third-period shifts and a total ice time of 9:12 in which he had twice as many shots — four — as hits. He was hard on the puck. He was, again, disciplined.

There is obviously much more to this dramatic turnaround than No. 73, who was serving his eight-game suspension when the Rangers began to reverse their fortunes, but the fact is that the Blueshirts are 7-2-3 with Rempe in the lineup this season and are 21-4-4 with him over the past two regular seasons, 29-7-4 including the playoffs.

The rising tide has elevated all boats. Mika Zibanejad went straight up against the Senators top line that featured Tkachuk, Drake Batherson and a myriad of wingers, and was dominant. The Zibanejad-Reilly Smith-Will Cuylle combination registered a 72.98 xGF ratio. The Rempe-Sam Carrick-Adam Edstrom unit chipped in with a 70.06 xGF while the Alexis Lafreniere-Vincent Trocheck-Artemi Panarin trio was in at 63.61.

Sometimes game analytics can be deceiving. The same for xGF. On this night, though, the numbers jibed with the eye test. This was domination from one end of the ice to the other with the Blueshirts owning a 17-8 advantage in scoring chances and 7-4 in high-danger opportunities.

This was the first time this season the Rangers limited scoring chances to a single digit. That is entirely reflective of the club’s defensive mindset during the calendar year 2025.

You can hate that GM Chris Drury traded Kaapo Kakko. You can hate the way the organization handled/developed the Finn after his second-overall selection in 2019. But you cannot hate the deal with Seattle in which Drury and the Blueshirts acquired Will Borgen, an old-school top-four righty who has brought it at both ends and has solidified the second pair with K’Andre Miller.

“I love the way he plays in front of me,” Shesterkin said of Borgen, a pending free agent whose price keeps going up. “He plays very well; smart, strong guy.

“Huge player for us.”

Miller has played his best hockey at both ends after head coach Peter Laviolette made the studied decision not to bench No. 79 following his late third-period boo-boo against Dallas allowed the Stars to tie the game they would then win in overtime.

Since that turnover settled in the back of the Blueshirts net, No. 79 has been on for only three goals against (four, for, Moses Malone) over the ensuing seven contests.

“I think since we’ve come back from the [Christmas] break, there’s a new identity coming to the rink, a new feel, a new life,” Miller said. “Guys are happy and obviously we were determined to get out of that hole.”

November-December.

Now this.

The Rangers are back, baby.

The Rangers are back.
numbers don't lie

Petterson next to Fox?

Who has been better recently, Lindgren or Vak? Who would be better suited to play on that last pair next to Schneider. Who has the better card.

I am on the Bjugstad train.

Laf-Troch-Panarin
Kreider-Miller-xxxx
Cuylle-Zib-Smith
Edstrom-Carrick-Bjugstad
Kaliyev

I think they self rent Reilly Smith.

Question is do they upgrade Kaliyev. And i think they do.

We shall see. All depends on where they are at the deadline. I think they will be in playoff position by then, especially if they bring in JTM now.
no on adding vets
deal surplus vets to upgrade to jtm and help push zib off this team


I keep seeing Walman but he has another year on his deal. The cost to acquire him will be too much IMO.

I'd look to find a player, like Ian Cole, who will likely cost very little as well as a good bottom-pairing d-man and roll forward in to the playoffs. It's not the 'big push' but I'd be pretty happy with that.

To VAN
Chytil + Lindgren + 1st (top-12 protected)

to NYR
Miller + Desharnais


to Utah
5th

to NYR
Ian Cole


To TOR
Jimmy Vesey

To NYR
5th


To Vegas
Reilly Smith

to NYR
3rd '25 + 2nd '26


Panarin-Trochek-Lafreniere
Kreider-Miller-Kailyev
Cuylle-Zibanejad-Berard/Othmann
Edstrom-Carrick-Rempe/Berard

Cole-Fox
Miller-Borgen
Vaak-Schneider
Desharnais
no on dealing our 1st esp when it is not nec

We've seen what we thought was offered for Miller, maybe there's a dman coming back in the deal too? If it's miller and a guy who can even take 3rd pair mins i think we're a better team, not that i dislike Chytil because I love what he brings, when he's healthy, but I dont see this team as being deep enough to be able to have him on the roster in a playoff run, and believe me he's gonna pop if he gets to Vancouver and might be what Boeser needs. However, having a center to play all areas of the game, great shooter, guy who cares, adds strength to the top 6, we have to do it. Looking ahead at a Cuylle Miller Othmann line reminds me of what Florida had last year. My only wish is that Sykora wasn't included, I like his energy.

Picture even this year

Cuylle Miller Berard/Smith
Panarin Trochek Lafreniere
Kreider Zibanejad Berard/Smith
Edstrom Carrick Rempe/Vesey
ditch vesey
I get Sykora, but we have to give up somebody and BMB is not enuf
want to keep Chmelar
 
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That isn't a fair criticism. He hardly played in the playoffs coming off a very serious injury. He wasn't anywhere near the player then than he is today, or at other times when he has been fully healthy.

This sounds like a rationalization for trading him for Miller, whom you obviously are very keen on acquiring. Yes, health is a concern with Chytil, but when he is healthy, he is one of our best play drivers at 5 on 5.

Can you honestly tell me that you'd rather trade Chytil for Miller than Mika for Miller? Not that the latter is a possibility, but you don't need to unfairly criticize Chytil to support your narrative.

I mean, Chytil is still having plenty of defensive lapses this year. And he's always "coming off an injury". Nothing about what I said is unfair criticism.

They arent trading Mika for Miller. Everyone already said no to that. Id rather trade Mika but that's most likely going to be done concurrently or in the summer.
 
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If you're concerned about Chytil's defense, just wait till you see JT's attention to detail.

I know JT has his moments, but you can play him against a guy like McDavid and he's going to get in his kitchen and try to rattle him. Chytil just isnt that type of player. We have no one who can do that, and its been a missing ingredient the deeper we have gone into the playoffs
 
we should keep Chytil [hope he does an Ekblad with concussions going forward] as he is dynamic 5x5 and we stupidly gave away KK. (I like Borgen, but other currency could have been used to acquire.)

As part of jtm deal, sell high on Vaak + Borgen taking acceptable short term downgrades coming back [Juulsen + Forbot].
unload Lindy at half = 2.25m
unload Vesey < 1
surrender Sykora as acceptable future < 1
surrender Kaliyev as acceptable future < 1
add expiring Smith 3.75 for short term F help
add a lesser pick

= ballpark 8+m

for
jtm + Juulsen + Forbot + cap dump Desh [who we immediately unload]
add a better pick
= ballpark 11+m

'nucks get around 3m short term cap relief, kick tires on upgraded D pair, + other value

Rs add jtm, acceptable 3rd pair
promote Robertson/Mancini
get a better pick
 
I know JT has his moments, but you can play him against a guy like McDavid and he's going to get in his kitchen and try to rattle him. Chytil just isnt that type of player. We have no one who can do that, and its been a missing ingredient the deeper we have gone into the playoffs
Oh, I'm not saying don't make the deal, I think they should when you consider Chytil's injury history. I'm just saying Miller has his lapses too and he's not coming here to play stout defense.
 
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Seems that your issue is that Lindgren is included, yes?
TBH, after some thought, I'd rather spin Lindgren off in a separate deal for picks. I fear, like some on here, the NYR will re-sign him when he gets to UFA summer, if only to keep Adam Fox happy. Teams put too much value in that type of player. He'll be Dan Girardi 2.0 win in about 2 years; we'll be begging for Drury (or whoever is the GM by then) to waive him or buy him out.
 
TBH, after some thought, I'd rather spin Lindgren off in a separate deal for picks. I fear, like some on here, the NYR will re-sign him when he gets to UFA summer, if only to keep Adam Fox happy. Teams put too much value in that type of player. He'll be Dan Girardi 2.0 win in about 2 years; we'll be begging for Drury (or whoever is the GM by then) to waive him or buy him out.
He's bad Dan Girardi already.
 
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Well seems like the team is trending back to making the playoffs.

I would do a lot for Drury to move Kreider at the deadline for a young hungry player who can help in the playoffs. Don't even need the 1st.

Kreider has been so checked out for almost every game, I want no part of him in the playoffs, one big game last year or not.
Kreider is 2nd on the team in goals. I think 1st in PP goals. 1st in SH goals. 1st in GW goals. But he’s checked out. Yes, he looks bad out there sometimes, but he’s producing decently. Sure take him off the PP, but I think it’s worth having him active this year, and hopefully he will recover enough next year to be more productive. You should hope he improves enough to be able to trade him for something good.
 
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