Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

[effen]

ITT people objecting to trading 45 cents for a dollar.

If I can't put protection on that dime, it's no deal!

 

[rangers1314]

I'm going to assume they're asking for a D prospect or eyes on somebody else, as they most likely won't go crawling back to Jones now for a permanent spot.

Just play Schneider on the left with Fox

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Lindgren being added makes all the difference in the world. Unloading him is a positive all on its own, much less getting to keep two damn good looking bottom 6 prospects on top of it.

Edit - Curious, where did the Sykora + Chmelar rumors come from?

They were scratched on Saturday.

According to @ThePeoplesPeople those scratches were completely unrelated to this trade though so who knows what was/is up.

 

[McRanger92]

Kreider and Panarin and a few other guys need a kick in the ass. If JT Miller at 50 cents on the dollar is that kick in the ass, what are we complaining about? Our 15th overall pick? That's what JT Was for us years ago lol

 

[TGWL]

Just play Schneider on the left with Fox

In the rumor trade scenario, we are still short a Dman unless Jones gets the spot back.
Schneider / Fox, Vaak, Borgen, Miller. They have to tuck their tail between their legs and use Jones, or go with Mancini/Ruhwedel (sounds like a Pokemon)

So unless the relationship with Jones can be repaired, my preference would be somebody else.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

What’s the plan? The team that went to ECF twice in 3 prior years should be in the middle of going for it window. For this run if they are able to replace Trouba and Lindgren with better players for their respective positions in the lineup AND add JTM - isn’t it clearly the plan? You can agree or disagree and it surely might not workout but knowing where there were roster holes, addressing them during this timeframe seems to be the plan.

Was that the plan a month ago? Regardless seems like a highly questionable plan.

 

[rangers1314]

In the rumor trade scenario, we are still short a Dman unless Jones gets the spot back.
Schneider / Fox, Vaak, Borgen, Miller. They have to tuck their tail between their legs and use Jones, or go with Mancini/Ruhwedel (sounds like a Pokemon)

So unless the relationship with Jones can be repaired, my preference would be somebody else.

Desharnais has been on the outs there. EF reported a few weeks ago that both parties want to move on.

He’s got one more year left at 2M. He’s a righty

 

[Harbour Dog]

I'm going to assume they're asking for a D prospect or eyes on somebody else, as they most likely won't go crawling back to Jones now for a permanent spot.

Perhaps. Maybe if the issue is just how protected our 1OA is, adding some mid-tier d prospect would be enough for us to just make it lottery protected or top5 protected, or something along those lines.

It's amazing how much more palatable this idea is now that the trade looks like this.

 

[TGWL]

Perhaps. Maybe if the issue is just how protected our 1OA is, adding some mid-tier d prospect would enough for us to just make it lottery protected or top5 protected, or something along those lines.

It's amazing how much more palatable this idea is now that the trade looks like this.

Canucks just recalled a D. So we'll see how this plays out.

 

[McRanger92]

Canucks just recalled a D. So we'll see how this plays out.

Could see the Rangers taking on Soucy or Myers as a Lindgren replacement.

Penguins firesale incoming? We've made deals with them a lot recently. Pettersson is a target for me.

 

[TGWL]

Are we at the point where those that want Miller and those that don't want Miller, don't care anymore as long as some change finally happens with this team? The media availability press conference kinda' tells me no deal is here and they are going to address that right now they aren't in a rush and plan to continuing competing, but who knows.

 

[Siddi]

Are we at the point where those that want Miller and those that don't want Miller, don't care anymore as long as some change finally happens with this team?

Pretty much

For the record: I didnt want Miller but I can see the allure of having the center depth. If this means that Lindgren is out then its happy days.

 

[MrAlmost]

Allvin calling a conference tells me there is an injury and no trade coming. GMs never call conferences before a trade is announced.

 

[McRanger92]

Are we at the point where those that want Miller and those that don't want Miller, don't care anymore as long as some change finally happens with this team?

Time to rip the bandaid off for Rangers & Canucks

 

[TGWL]

Allvin calling a conference tells me there is an injury and no trade coming. GMs never call conferences before a trade is announced.

Yeah, I added to my previous post. I feel the same. Going to take the "we are going to look for the best deal for Miller and for us" and the "we aren't in a rush" as they plan to continuing trying to win games.

 

[Bgav]

Allvin calling a conference tells me there is an injury and no trade coming. GMs never call conferences before a trade is announced.

Friedman just went on tv here and said the trade is going to happen and JT's preference is eastern united states. Mentioned Rangers, Canes and Islanders.

 

[Siddi]

 

[Synergy27]

I’m super conflicted about Miller. I would love to build the identity of the forward corps around players with attitude like he and Trocheck, but their ages are definitely problematic.

I am happy that all of these rumors include Lindgren. It means that Drury has properly diagnosed the problems on D. This and the Trouba move happened months too late but better late than never.

Gotta get creative with peripheral moves to restock the cupboard and build around the new identity of Miller comes in.

 

[smoneil]

Sure. Let's compare just this years stats.

Miller has 31 points in 35 games.

Fil has 18 in 37.

We can do this all day. I'm still not sure in what universe Miller "isn't much better".

Miller is clearly better, and Fil's injury history is a huge concern, but Chytil is also my favorite player, so I'll play the devil's advocate here.

Miller gets 4 minutes more per game than Chytil, mostly on the PP. Looking at only even strength production, Miller has 19 points to Chytil's 16 points. To be fair, Miller also has his lowest shooting % in 7 years, which makes this season look like a bit of an outlier.

Really it just comes down to whether you think a version of this team can win it all. If you do, you bring in a guy like Miller. If you don't, you start selling pieces of value over 30. I tend to be in camp 2.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I'm conflicted about Miller. I think we're a roster in flux. I hate the idea of a rebuild because the vast majority fail. But at the same time Miller is a short term bandaid.

 

[DialUp]

I’m super conflicted about Miller. I would love to build the identity of the forward corps around players with attitude like he and Trocheck, but their ages are definitely problematic.

I am happy that all of these rumors include Lindgren. It means that Drury has properly diagnosed the problems on D. This and the Trouba move happened months too late but better late than never.

Gotta get creative with peripheral moves to restock the cupboard and build around the new identity of Miller comes in.

Right, realistically Miller got about 2 more years tops of being an above average to good player. Is that our window? This team's window for contention has closed shut with Kreider and Mika's decline, so it probably is pointless to get Miller.

 

[Fitzy]

Surprised to not see Zac Jones's name as an add-on in any of these rumors.

 

[kovazub94]

Was that the plan a month ago? Regardless seems like a highly questionable plan.

I’m telling you from front office perspective. It was surely the plan this offseason. The teams struggles were locker room related for probably at least 75% of it. Can it be fixed? Can on ice performance rebound? It’s not unreasonable. Management plans take adjustments along the way but the plans are laid out well beyond 2 months window we just watched. Even if you’d put this level of performance for the whole time since after their hot start and they are probably in the midst of it with Caps, Canes etc. And there’s still plenty of room to potentially improve “internally” before considering the impact of external additions.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Hope Carolina beats us out for JTM

 

[Fitzy]

I’m telling you from front office perspective. It was surely the plan this offseason. The teams struggles were locker room related for probably at least 75% of it. Can it be fixed? Can on ice performance rebound? It’s not unreasonable. Management plans take adjustments along the way but the plans are laid out well beyond 2 months window we just watched. Even if you’d put this level of performance for the whole time since after their hot start and they are probably in the midst of it with Caps, Canes etc. And there’s still plenty of room to potentially improve “internally” before considering the impact of external additions.

But there still is no path to improve the team's two glaring pre-malaise deficiencies... puck moving from the defense, and speed at forward.

Even if you assume Mika, Kreider, Miller and Laf return to form and starts playing like they did last year (Odds on this?), this team still isn't close to a cup favorite.