Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

[Mac n Gs]

Genuinely can’t believe so many people think acquiring soon to be 32 year old JT Miller is a smart idea for this franchise.

Even if he’s a good player and the value is fine, what the hell is the plan here? Investing more in this vet core we know can’t get it done? Doesn’t make a lick of sense to me unless the plan is to be a 1-2 round playoff team for the next half decade.

Part of me actually believes Drury thinks this type of “shakeup” will somehow make the guys he wants to trade uncomfortable enough to waive their trade clauses. The other part of me realizes that he probably sees similarities to himself in JT Miller, which isn’t surprising either because Drury is a thin-skinner loser who has this perpetual chip on his shoulder despite growing up as a rich, spoiled brat. It’s not even that JT Miller is a bad player because he’s been very good the last few years. It’s the process by which Drury goes through these things and is always acting in a shortsighted manner.

They’ll make the playoffs, lose because of the obvious flaws to the team that they have no interest in fixing, and wash/rinse/repeat heading into next season. Hockey is different here. Welcome to Rangerstown.

 

[duhmetreE]

Why rush Othmann. Smith will go on deadline day, no reason to toss him out for less value. Hes a good player

I honestly don’t see them moving Smith

 

[zlev]

Genuinely can’t believe so many people think acquiring soon to be 32 year old JT Miller is a smart idea for this franchise.

Even if he’s a good player and the value is fine, what the hell is the plan here? Investing more in this vet core we know can’t get it done? Doesn’t make a lick of sense to me unless the plan is to be a 1-2 round playoff team for the next half decade.

yep. he's not even that much better than Chytil and when you consider their cap hits and age, it's not an upgrade.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Genuinely can’t believe so many people think acquiring soon to be 32 year old JT Miller is a smart idea for this franchise.

Even if he’s a good player and the value is fine, what the hell is the plan here? Investing more in this vet core we know can’t get it done? Doesn’t make a lick of sense to me unless the plan is to be a 1-2 round playoff team for the next half decade.

If the deal is Chytil, Lindgren & a 1st, how can you possibly be adverse to that?

Chytil, as much as we like him, isn't long for this sport. Plus how long are we going to wait for him to realize his potential. He's 25, not 22, at this point he really is who is he.

Lindgren is literally a throw in & addition by subtraction. The 1st is probably going to land about 12-15 & sure it hurts, but you need to give to get & we'd be getting a perennial 90 point player.

The biggest thing is does is signal a shift to the core & also takes away one of Lavi's favorite toys. The team should improve immediately, simply because Fox would have an NHL partner for the 1st time in 2 years.

 

[UnparalledPark]

Bold is the rule
this is a valid exception
it is not w'o risk/downside, but pros outweigh cons
given thin pivot depth would prefer to do this w'o Chytil, but can go if nec


fair pts, proper to note
exception to the rule


As a big fan of Brad Park, I have an initial predisposition to be favorable to your posts; a guy with this clever a username has to typically hit more than miss w/his posts.
Now even ever the more so if you can contribute to a zib exit solution!

If Nash is not too far interior [perhaps offset b'c it is more north than FL] that leaves {north -> south, closest to furthest, approx}:
Boston
LI
NJ
maybe Phila? - prob not
DC
Panthers
Lightning

did I forget anything?

assume this list/premise is true

what deals can we come up with

may be biz coupla days...
peace out

Trust me you are way too kind. I am but a tin man to your wizard of Oz. (That sounded better in my head). Zib is a tough one. I originally thought the best chance of trading him was to pair him with Kreider to the Sabres. While probably not on Kreider’s acceptable trade list, it isn’t that far from Boston or N.Y. If that makes any difference to him.

And while I’m sure Kreider would probably desire to be traded to a contender, I think it would be possible to persuade him that the addition of he and Zib could propel the Sabres to a wildcard team next year, while the Rangers would appear to be on the decline.

Zib appeared to be happy in Ott. Could he convince his buddy Kreids to give Canadien life a go. Probably not, but….

Probably no to Philly with Trots there. I think Nashville would be a good possibility (with Kreider staying in N.Y).

I think Boston would also be a good place for both, or just Zib.

 

[MrAlmost]

do people honestly believe Drury is going to sell players like Smith at the deadline when they’re pushing their chips in to acquire JT and give it another run with this core?

it’s ass backwards thinking lol

No, but thats why those people don't like Drury.

And we can compete just as well with Smith, Vesey, Lindgren, Jones and even Kreider than we can with Othmann, Berard, and f***ing Scanlin in those spots.

 

[DuneGoon84]

Van likely wants no conditions and Rangers want lottery protection. Trade Kreider, get a first, give it to Van. Bing, bang, boom.

Edit: Also, if lindgren is involved, I bet Soucy is coming back.

If Drury succumbs to this 1st not being protected then we are more screwed then I thought...

 

[Do you want ants]

Genuinely can’t believe so many people think acquiring soon to be 32 year old JT Miller is a smart idea for this franchise.

Even if he’s a good player and the value is fine, what the hell is the plan here? Investing more in this vet core we know can’t get it done? Doesn’t make a lick of sense to me unless the plan is to be a 1-2 round playoff team for the next half decade.

I don’t see him as a savior but if the cost is right, it opens up the door for other moves. You can move Vinny for a nice haul or Mika to open up cap space and restock the cupboard for other moves while adding a 1C/ 2C as he declines.

 

[Boris Zubov]

yep. he's not even that much better than Chytil and when you consider their cap hits and age, it's not an upgrade.

Seriously? There is no possible way you typed this with a straight face. Miller scored 103 points last year, Fil's career high is 45.

I don't love the idea of trading for a soon to be 32 year old, but some of these takes are so silly.

 

[duhmetreE]

Genuinely can’t believe so many people think acquiring soon to be 32 year old JT Miller is a smart idea for this franchise.

Even if he’s a good player and the value is fine, what the hell is the plan here? Investing more in this vet core we know can’t get it done? Doesn’t make a lick of sense to me unless the plan is to be a 1-2 round playoff team for the next half decade.

Or maybe changing/re-tooling the core

 

[Bgav]

Just to update you guys - Allvin just called for a press conference at 11:45. So we should get clarity on what's going on.

 

[zlev]

Seriously? Ther is no possible way you typed this with a straight face. Miller scored 103 points last year, Fil's career high is 45.

I don't love the idea of trading for a soon to be 32 year old, but some of these takes are so silly.

have you seen his stats this year?

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

If the deal is Chytil, Lindgren & a 1st, how can you possibly be adverse to that?

Chytil, as much as we like him, isn't long for this sport. Plus how long are we going to wait for him to realize his potential. He's 25, not 22, at this point he really is who is he.

Lindgren is literally a throw in & addition by subtraction. The 1st is probably going to land about 12-15 & sure it hurts, but you need to give to get & we'd be getting a perennial 90 point player.

The biggest thing is does is signal a shift to the core & also takes away one of Lavi's favorite toys. The team should improve immediately, simply because Fox would have an NHL partner for the 1st time in 2 years.

I’m not necessarily opposed to the deal in a vacuum, like I said.

But Drury going very publicly to “blow up this core” and all the messaging being that this team is fatally flawed…to going actually, let’s go all in for the next 3 years because of a few good games in January…does not inspire confidence that this guy has a plan / isn’t a complete buffoon.

 

[Harbour Dog]

If the deal is Chytil + Lindgren + our 1st with some conditions, then I'm on board. I don't like the mentality, but that's a big win of a trade in my opinion.

I was f***ing pissed when Sykora + Chmelar was getting thrown around instead of Lindgren.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Just top 10 protect the pick and be done with it at this point.

Lindgren being involved makes me feel better about it.

Deal with the big 3 (Panarin/Kreider/Zibanejad) in the summer.

 

[UnparalledPark]

Jamie Benn is another really physical player. He's 35 but has never been the scorer that Miller is. He's tracking ~50-60 points this season, which is about a 25 point drop from his high.

Kopitar is 37, he has 42 points in 43 games.

Stamkos, at the age of 36, just signed a 4 year deal for $8m per season (same cap hit as Miller). That Preds team has really struggled but he has 30 points in 45 games on a new team.

Claude Giroux is 37 and has 30 points in 46 games.

Miller is 31. I'd say we can and should hope/expect for another 4-5 year of very good play, followed by some good years after that mark.

Miller is the type of guy who really takes care of himself. He's been a powerhouse physically since he was young. This isn't someone who we have to fear will lose strength as he gets older.

With the cap going up, his $8m per season isn't going to be out of line for what the average 2C is making in fairly short order.

I think people are concerned that Miller will drop off a cliff points-wise (this seems unlikely but maybe) and are thinking back to when the cap was stagnant for so many years.

Many of us thought Kreider could play at a high level for another 4 or 5 years, but after a while the physical nature of the sport takes its toll on the guys that don’t shy away from the physicality.

 

[Boris Zubov]

have you seen his stats this year?

Sure. Let's compare just this years stats.

Miller has 31 points in 35 games.

Fil has 18 in 37.

We can do this all day. I'm still not sure in what universe Miller "isn't much better".

 

[TGWL]

presuming jtm only wants to come here, limiting van options...

Borgen, Smith, Lindgren, Sykora, BMB, Vesey + 2nd
for
jtm + Juulsen + Forbot + Raty + 1st

Don't see that happening done even if Miller said no to 30 other teams. Asking them to include a 1st is a bit of a stretch here.

 

[kovazub94]

Even if he’s a good player and the value is fine, what the hell is the plan here? Investing more in this vet core we know can’t get it done? Doesn’t make a lick of sense to me unless the plan is to be a 1-2 round playoff team for the next half decade.

What’s the plan? The team that went to ECF twice in 3 prior years should be in the middle of going for it window. For this run if they are able to replace Trouba and Lindgren with better players for their respective positions in the lineup AND add JTM - isn’t it clearly the plan? You can agree or disagree and it surely might not workout but knowing where there were roster holes, addressing them during this timeframe seems to be the plan.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Just top 10 protect the pick and be done with it at this point.

Lindgren being involved makes me feel better about it.

Deal with the big 3 (Panarin/Kreider/Zibanejad) in the summer.

Lindgren being added makes all the difference in the world. Unloading him is a positive all on its own, much less getting to keep two damn good looking bottom 6 prospects on top of it.

Edit - Curious, where did the Sykora + Chmelar rumors come from?

 

[Boris Zubov]

I’m not necessarily opposed to the deal in a vacuum, like I said.

But Drury going very publicly to “blow up this core” and all the messaging being that this team is fatally flawed…to going actually, let’s go all in for the next 3 years because of a few good games in January…does not inspire confidence that this guy has a plan / isn’t a complete buffoon.

I've got to believe this isn't the only move Drury makes, even if more of the bigger moves don't happen until the summer. Kreider isn't going to finish his deal here & even if Panarin does, that's only one more season. And as much as his press agent would be destroyed, once Kreider is gone, you would think Mika would probably be more amenable to waiving as well.

 

[TGWL]

Lindgren being added makes all the difference in the world. Unloading him is a positive all on its own, much less getting to keep two damn good looking bottom 6 prospects on top of it.

Edit - Curious, where did the Sykora + Chmelar rumors come from?

They were announced as healthy scratched players for Wolfpack, before Saturdays NYR game when rumors were circling.

 

[rangers1314]

Lindgren being added makes all the difference in the world. Unloading him is a positive all on its own, much less getting to keep two damn good looking bottom 6 prospects on top of it.

Edit - Curious, where did the Sykora + Chmelar rumors come from?

I believe they were scratched in HFD a few nights ago and people connected the dots

 

[Takeahnase]

yep. he's not even that much better than Chytil and when you consider their cap hits and age, it's not an upgrade.

I love Fil as a player but come on.

 

[TGWL]

Lindgren being added makes all the difference in the world. Unloading him is a positive all on its own, much less getting to keep two damn good looking bottom 6 prospects on top of it.

Edit - Curious, where did the Sykora + Chmelar rumors come from?

I'm going to assume they're asking for a D prospect or eyes on somebody else, as they most likely won't go crawling back to Jones now for a permanent spot.