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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XV

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A Staal trade, now or this summer makes little sense. If he wants to continue playing, he will make more $ if he is bought out rather than being traded. With a full NTC, he can simply refuse. Unless things change dramatically, he will either go LTIR or be bought out.
 
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Edge said:
Fine, then take his game averages, and don't project, you essentially arrive at the same conclusion.

His goals per game with the Rangers: .385

His goals per game with Yotes: .25

That's not a huge or unexpected fallout, and still a 20 goal pace.

And it's really not that far off for that type of contract.
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I guess we can revisit this at the end of the season when his average will be a lot lower.
 
Avery16 said:
Many comparisons aren’t carbon copy, yet they still remain illustrative. There are many things different between Strome and Smith. Countless, in fact. However, for the purposes of this topic, both are facing extension and we are discussing a multi-year extension with trade protection for an inconsistent player based only on a small sample of games. It was a mistake with Smith, one that we’re forced to still live with. It would be a mistake to do it again.
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We also resigned Zibanejad to a multi-year extension based on an even smaller sample size with the Rangers. Should we use that as illustrative as well?
 
If salaries were evened and Staal was actually willing to waive, I’d do Kovy for Staal 1 for 1. Kovalchuk, even if he coasts and maybe plays 2PP is better than Staal. Staal shouldn’t crack our D rotation at this point. He clearly isn’t one of our 6 or 7 best options. Kovalchuk at least is better than Haley. Heck, he’s probably better than Howden and Andersson, who can be sent down when Mika returns.

I’ll be honest though, as much as I don’t want Staal in the lineup, I’d rather he be LTIR or decide to retire. I would bring him back as a scout or coach in a heart beat and I’d kind of hate seeing him traded and wearing another jersey. I love Marc Staal. I love Dan Girardi. They declined. That doesn’t erase what they did when they played well or the respect I have for them. I’d like seeing Staal behind the bench coaching our young D or something like that.
 
Gardner McKay said:
While I don't disagree that Lias' playing time is a concern, it is hard to argue with results.
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I think the bigger concern is with how he has been playing. There are some in this Rangers-sphere who are under some Andersson spell, and are making him out to be something hes not.

"Needs better linemates" ...He gets outplayed by Smith/Haley/McKegg
"Hes better than Howden" ...Howden could skate circles around Andersson
"He just needs a chance"...Then earn it, 1 assist in 15 games is abysmal and quite frankly, a joke
"Hes in DQ's doghouse for no reason"...So was Buchnevich, so he produced and climbed his way out

Good players find a way, Andersson is not one of those players
 
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$10 million in dead cap space for the Shattenkirk and Staal buy outs next year is going to just be awesome. Nobody here should be complaining that Gorton couldn't make a trade to improve the team. He's going to have to once again be creative.

Part of this is why I don't think a Staal buy out is possible. He's either on our books or LTIR (best case scanario).
 
I Eat Crow said:
$10 million in dead cap space for the Shattenkirk and Staal buy outs next year is going to just be awesome. Nobody here should be complaining that Gorton couldn't make a trade to improve the team. He's going to have to once again be creative.

Part of this is why I don't think a Staal buy out is possible. He's either on our books or LTIR (best case scanario).
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Isn’t he dead cap space anyway? Doesn’t he actually hurt the on ice performance?

We currently have 7.5M in total dead cap space next year. Staal’s cap hit is 5.7. That’s 13.2M to either play Staal or have him scratched, but either way he’s pretty much dead cap space as is. Buying him out would be 3.5M (just over 1M the following year) and that would be 11M in dead cap space. I would rather have 2.2M extra cap space and Staal not play. He adds nothing on the ice either way. The following year we’d only have 3.6M dead cap total (2.5M without buying out Staal).
 
Avery16 said:
... uhhhh ... Zibanejad isn’t inconsistent? :huh::help:
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Now he isn't, back then he was absolutely considered inconsistent. I still remember all the comments about him being more interested in being a DJ instead of a hockey player.
 
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Here’s something for your opinions. If anybody gets hurt now (defensemen only), who is your pick to be called up while Staal is on the mend? One rhd and one lhd. Go
 
Stay away from Kovy. Sure, he's hustling. But has very low impact on the ice. Imagine a worn down, slower, smaller Jimmy Vesey. That's Kovalchuk at this point.

I'd rather have a PKer on that 4th line than Kovalchuk. Believe it or not Staal has more avalue as a 6-7 than Kovy as a 4th liner. Kovy is a player without a role.
 
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Here’s something for your opinions. If anybody gets hurt now (defensemen only), who is your pick to be called up while Staal is on the mend? One rhd and one lhd. Go
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Smith can play both sides. Someday Rykov will get healthy and he actually can play both sides too even though he's definitely a LD. Then there are also Keane and Day in Hartford.
 
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gravey9 said:
Stay away from Kovy. Sure, he's hustling. But has very low impact on the ice. Imagine a worn down, slower, smaller Jimmy Vesey. That's Kovalchuk at this point.

I'd rather have a PKer on that 4th line than Kovalchuk. Believe it or not Staal has more avalue as a 6-7 than Kovy as a 4th liner. Kovy is a player without a role.
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Kovalchuk is Spooner on steroids (maybe literally).
 
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