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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XV

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Go Away Staal said:
Over that time span, Hes #1 on the Rangers in High Danger Chances against 5v5.

Hes #1 in TOI, but not by a large amount (surprisingly, DeAngelo is #2 in TOI.)
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DeAngelo is 6th on the team in TOI. Skjei is second to Pionk

Then you’ve got Mika Hayes Zucc before you get to tony. But I’m happy ADAs mins are going up
 
If you look at the Rangers possible protection issues with the expansion draft, which skater are they losing? The young guys are exempt if the draft takes place in 2020 and Seattle thinks 2020 is a go. A lot can happen between now and June 2020 but if the Rangers are fully committed to the rebuilding process, they will have more roster players exempt from the expansion draft. Which player(s)are the Rangers re-signing? I don’t think the Rangers have a forward besides the three young players exempt from draft on their roster who is guaranteed of being here in 2020-21. Zibanejad is the only signed player. Who knows about him? The Rangers did talk to other teams about him. Hayes is a free agent this summer. Zuccarello is a free agent this summer. Kreider, Namestnikov, Vesey and Fast are free agents next summer. 2020. Strome is a group II with arbitration rights. Non tender there.

The Rangers have cornered the market on bad D contracts.

Georgiev would be the most attractive player on the Rangers roster for Seattle. I read teams aren’t going to be so willing to give up assets to protect certain players. Vegas got Haula and Tuch to not take one of the Wild D. The Wild made an awful deal with Buffalo giving up Scandella and Pominville for Foligno and Ennis. They had 5 and could only protect 3. Traded Scandella. They had 4 D and made the trade with Vegas. They were better off just losing one of their D to Vegas and keeping the younger forwards. The GM lost his job after the season.

The Rangers should look into moving Georgiev. Gorton wasn’t interested in giving up assets to protect certain players. They exposed Raanta, Grabner and Lindberg. Vegas took Lindberg. The media was speculating about the Rangers giving Vegas assets to protect certain players. Gorton didn’t want to do that.

Using the 7-3-1 or 8-1, Georgiev is the best player assuming he plays like this and there no reason to think he will be a fluke.

There are many teams interested in goaltending. Edmonton has no goaltender signed beyond this season. Calgary has an issue in goal. There are other teams too. Georgiev could be the long term solution for those teams.

The Rangers have Lundqvist and Shestyorkin after Lundqvist is done playing here.

According to Elliotte Friedman, Gorton likes to take his time and make deals at the deadline. Yesterday’s 31 Thoughts podcast at the end.
 
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Go Away Staal said:
Over that time span, Hes #1 on the Rangers in High Danger Chances against 5v5.

Hes #1 in TOI, but not by a large amount (surprisingly, DeAngelo is #2 in TOI.)
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He is also 33th in the league in QoC among Ds and there is only 2 other Ds in the top top 35 in that category that has worse QoT. Our match-up unit has been a road-kill for the last 3.5 years.

But its also important to note that they aren't getting destroyed in Sv% at all.
 
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RangerBoy said:
If you look at the Rangers possible protection issues with the expansion draft, which skater are they losing? The young guys are exempt if the draft takes place in 2020 and Seattle thinks 2020 is a go. A lot can happen between now and June 2020 but if the Rangers are fully committed to the rebuilding process, they will have more roster players exempt from the expansion draft. Which player(s)are the Rangers re-signing? I don’t think the Rangers have a forward besides the three young players exempt from draft on their roster who is guaranteed of being here in 2020-21. Zibanejad is the only signed player. Who knows about him? The Rangers did talk to other teams about him. Hayes is a free agent this summer. Zuccarello is a free agent this summer. Kreider, Namestnikov, Vesey and Fast are free agents next summer. 2020. Strome is a group II with arbitration rights. Non tender there.

The Rangers have cornered the market on bad D contracts.

Georgiev would be the most attractive player on the Rangers roster for Seattle. I read teams aren’t going to be so willing to give up assets to protect certain players. Vegas got Haula and Tuch to not take one of the Wild D. The Wild made an awful deal with Buffalo giving up Scandella and Pominville for Foligno and Ennis. They had 5 and could only protect 3. Traded Scandella. They had 4 D and made the trade with Vegas. They were better off just losing one of their D to Vegas and keeping the younger forwards. The GM lost his job after the season.

The Rangers should look into moving Georgiev. Gorton wasn’t interested in giving up assets to protect certain players. They exposed Raanta, Grabner and Lindberg. Vegas took Lindberg. The media was speculating about the Rangers giving Vegas assets to protect certain players. Gorton didn’t want to do that.

Using the 7-3-1 or 8-1, Georgiev is the best player assuming he plays like this and there no reason to think he will be a fluke.

There are many teams interested in goaltending. Edmonton has no goaltender signed beyond this season. Calgary has an issue in goal. There are other teams too. Georgiev could be the long term solution for those teams.

The Rangers have Lundqvist and Shestyorkin after Lundqvist is done playing here.

According to Elliotte Friedman, Gorton likes to take his time and make deals at the deadline. Yesterday’s 31 Thoughts podcast at the end.
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The team we're playing today has serious issues in goal (as usual).
 
Blue Blooded said:
I'd bridge Pionk. His current production doesn't look sustainable and his on-ice metrics continue to be worrisome so it would be dangerous to sign a long-term contract. Give him 2 years to buy us time to properly evaluate him, will he iron out his wrinkles and turn out to be a great defenceman?

Conversely I think a long-term contract could turn out to be a great deal with DeAngelo, would he go for 6-7 years at $4M? He must've felt that his NHL career was in jeopardy at several points so he might be willing to sign long-term without a very high salary. Get one of those Poile-specials.

I'd try to go long with Buch, but I'd have to see how the roster shakes out after July 1 before I'd decide for sure. He might have to be bridged to make the roster fit under the cap if we sign Panarin.
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100% on these suggestions
 
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RangerBoy said:
If you look at the Rangers possible protection issues with the expansion draft, which skater are they losing? The young guys are exempt if the draft takes place in 2020 and Seattle thinks 2020 is a go. A lot can happen between now and June 2020 but if the Rangers are fully committed to the rebuilding process, they will have more roster players exempt from the expansion draft. Which player(s)are the Rangers re-signing? I don’t think the Rangers have a forward besides the three young players exempt from draft on their roster who is guaranteed of being here in 2020-21. Zibanejad is the only signed player. Who knows about him? The Rangers did talk to other teams about him. Hayes is a free agent this summer. Zuccarello is a free agent this summer. Kreider, Namestnikov, Vesey and Fast are free agents next summer. 2020. Strome is a group II with arbitration rights. Non tender there.

The Rangers have cornered the market on bad D contracts.

Georgiev would be the most attractive player on the Rangers roster for Seattle. I read teams aren’t going to be so willing to give up assets to protect certain players. Vegas got Haula and Tuch to not take one of the Wild D. The Wild made an awful deal with Buffalo giving up Scandella and Pominville for Foligno and Ennis. They had 5 and could only protect 3. Traded Scandella. They had 4 D and made the trade with Vegas. They were better off just losing one of their D to Vegas and keeping the younger forwards. The GM lost his job after the season.

The Rangers should look into moving Georgiev. Gorton wasn’t interested in giving up assets to protect certain players. They exposed Raanta, Grabner and Lindberg. Vegas took Lindberg. The media was speculating about the Rangers giving Vegas assets to protect certain players. Gorton didn’t want to do that.

Using the 7-3-1 or 8-1, Georgiev is the best player assuming he plays like this and there no reason to think he will be a fluke.

There are many teams interested in goaltending. Edmonton has no goaltender signed beyond this season. Calgary has an issue in goal. There are other teams too. Georgiev could be the long term solution for those teams.

The Rangers have Lundqvist and Shestyorkin after Lundqvist is done playing here.

According to Elliotte Friedman, Gorton likes to take his time and make deals at the deadline. Yesterday’s 31 Thoughts podcast at the end.
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There's a lot of truth here and of course, it depends on how the rest of the season goes for Georgie. Ther's also the question about when is Henrik going to pull the ripcord and go home. Before the end of this contract?

Could be a very nice problem to have to solve.

Georgie may not bring back a first, but I could see him bringing back a high second (Hello Edmonton) and a third. Heck, I'd take Talbot and Edmonton's second right now for Georgie.

As for forwards, the Rangers should be able to find two they can offer up. McLeod might be one. They have the hard part of the equation (defense) covered.
 
Shattenkirk @50%, MZA and Vesey/Fast for Nylander.

I honestly dont think I'm way off.

Toronto has the best chance to win this year. Matthews and Marner getting paid, might eat $20M of cap
 
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duhmetreE said:
Shattenkirk @50%, MZA and Vesey/Fast for Nylander.

I honestly dont think I'm way off.

Toronto has the best chance to win this year. Matthews and Marner getting paid, might eat $20M of cap
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I'm pretty sure they want a Dman that can defend... They have the guys to be offensive.

Plus im not sure that value is anywhere near fair.

Shattenkirk -> Big-ish contract and clearly entering decline
MZA -> Seeing some decline and on an expiring contract
Vessy -> One year left on a healthy deal for a bottom 6 guy
Fast -> Pretty sure hes seen as a non-factor bottom six player to fill a hole. Next to no value on the market
 
duhmetreE said:
Shattenkirk @50%, MZA and Vesey/Fast for Nylander.

I honestly dont think I'm way off.

Toronto has the best chance to win this year. Matthews and Marner getting paid, might eat $20M of cap
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Not going to happen. Plus retaining half of Shattenkirk's contract is not ideal. That's a ton of dead cap space for a guy who can still be a valuable contributor to the team.
 
Vinny DeAngelo said:
I'm pretty sure they want a Dman that can defend... They have the guys to be offensive.

Plus im not sure that value is anywhere near fair.

Shattenkirk -> Big-ish contract and clearly entering decline
MZA -> Seeing some decline and on an expiring contract
Vessy -> One year left on a healthy deal for a bottom 6 guy
Fast -> Pretty sure hes seen as a non-factor bottom six player to fill a hole. Next to no value on the market
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In a vacuum, or in NHL19, Nylander gets WAY more. I don't think Toronto has leverage here.
 
duhmetreE said:
That's the whole point.

There's value in cap space
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I get that, I'm saying while it might be worth it for Toronto, I don't think it's worth it for us. Still don't think Toronto would accept that offer either way, they don't need Shattenkirk, his greatest value is on the PP and they have an amazing PP already.
 
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duhmetreE said:
In a vacuum, or in NHL19, Nylander gets WAY more. I don't think Toronto has leverage here.
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Toronto has all the leverage.... If Nylander doesn't sign he gets nothing. He doesnt gain arbitration rights or anything else. Nylander just becomes a year older.

Its not like theyre struggling without him. No rush for Toronto, other than to just quiet the conversation... Which won't really happen because they still have to resign Mathews and Marner
 
Skjei, Buch and Andersson for Tarasenko.. Maybe sprinkle in a Vesey or Fast.

I'd even use Hayes, if it means we can get a goal scorer like Tarasenko
 
Vinny DeAngelo said:
Toronto has all the leverage.... If Nylander doesn't sign he gets nothing. He doesnt gain arbitration rights or anything else. Nylander just becomes a year older.

Its not like theyre struggling without him. No rush for Toronto, other than to just quiet the conversation... Which won't really happen because they still have to resign Mathews and Marner
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Yes, but if you feel you're cup favorites, having an asset like that just sit on the sidelines is questionable.

I understand it from Nylanders perspective. He may see Matthews and Marner and knows that if he 'bridges' he will be traded or is not in control of his destiny. He may want a NMC or a long term/high AAV in compensation for that.
 
ericmgomes said:
We disagree, which is fine. But I would trade Hayes for a RHD prospect instead of a forward prospect.
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One more RHS RW would be just as good as one more RHD, imo.

To go one step further, if we got one (good one) of each by the end of the TDL and draft, we would be a little bloated at basically every position. Exciting times, for sure.
 
Vinny DeAngelo said:
Yea I'm prepared for the counter arguments...

Skjei is a 2nd pairing Dman and we have tons of that depth in our system..
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I never said that Skjei is untouchable. Is his worth (as a 2nd pairing defenseman entering his prime and signed to a 6 year contracts) - 20 extra points up front?
 
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