Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

[UnSandvich]

This twitter thread as a few tidbits on trades and thinking. It's a paywall article.

In a nutshell:
Will they make the playoffs?
4 Y
5 N

What would you fix first?
Defense, culture, core all came up

Who should be traded first?
Most said Zib/Kreider, one brought up Miller

Should they keep Lavi?
2 clear nos, some mixed answers, some yes's

Should they keep Drury?
Mostly Yes's, but a bit mixed.

Should they burn it down completely and full rebuild (including guys like Fox)?
Resounding no

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Deangelo getting kicked off yet another squad.

Couldn’t happen to a worse guy

 

[mike14]

In a nutshell:
Will they make the playoffs?
4 Y
5 N

What would you fix first?
Defense, culture, core all came up

Who should be traded first?
Most said Zib/Kreider, one brought up Miller

Should they keep Lavi?
2 clear nos, some mixed answers, some yes's

Should they keep Drury?
Mostly Yes's, but a bit mixed.

Should they burn it down completely and full rebuild (including guys like Fox)?
Resounding no

It scares me that all of that just sounds like a discussion on here...

 

[nyr2k2]

In a nutshell:
Will they make the playoffs?
4 Y
5 N

What would you fix first?
Defense, culture, core all came up

Who should be traded first?
Most said Zib/Kreider, one brought up Miller

Should they keep Lavi?
2 clear nos, some mixed answers, some yes's

Should they keep Drury?
Mostly Yes's, but a bit mixed.

Should they burn it down completely and full rebuild (including guys like Fox)?
Resounding no

I read that article. The respondents were generally positive on Drury. There was one person who commented that they weren't sure if he would go because of Dolan; that with him as owner you don't know if Drury is safe. Someone noted he had his core and has been hit or miss with his moves adding around it. Another person said the way he was decisive in moving on from Trouba and Goodrow exemplifies the stuff you want in the guy trying to do a retool or rebuild. Talked about him being a guy who actively tries to do his job and not every guy is proactive like that.

Everyone was generally complimentary of Lavi. The stuff that was negative wasn't so much an indictment of him as a coach, just an acknowledgement that he's tried everything and maybe has nothing else to try and because of that they may need to make a change.

All in all I would say the stuff about Laviolette was generally on par with what you read here outside of the loonies who thinks he's a terrible coach. The stuff about Drury however I think painted a much more positive picture of him than the consensus on this board.

 

[McRanger92]

I read that article. The respondents were generally positive on Drury. There was one person who commented that they weren't sure if he would go because of Dolan; that with him as owner you don't know if Drury is safe. Someone noted he had his core and has been hit or miss with his moves adding around it. Another person said the way he was decisive in moving on from Trouba and Goodrow exemplifies the stuff you want in the guy trying to do a retool or rebuild. Talked about him being a guy who actively tries to do his job and not every guy is proactive like that.

Everyone was generally complimentary of Lavi. The stuff that was negative wasn't so much an indictment of him as a coach, just an acknowledgement that he's tried everything and maybe has nothing else to try and because of that they may need to make a change.

All in all I would say the stuff about Laviolette was generally on par with what you read here outside of the loonies who thinks he's a terrible coach. The stuff about Drury however I think painted a much more positive picture of him than the consensus on this board.

I’m as pro-Drury as anyone on the board and he’s had his hits and misses but people have had an ax to grind against him since he traded Buchnevich. Bad trade but he never had a chance in most folks eyes because of that.

He’s handled the timing of some moves horrible and with a heavy hand, but if you told people this time last year that he removed Trouba and Goodrow without taking back any salary or retaining (and getting a effective player and pick for Trouba) there would’ve been dancing in the streets.

 

[Machinehead]

I’m as pro-Drury as anyone on the board and he’s had his hits and misses but people have had an ax to grind against him since he traded Buchnevich. Bad trade but he never had a chance in most folks eyes because of that.

He’s handled the timing of some moves horrible and with a heavy hand, but if you told people this time last year that he removed Trouba and Goodrow without taking back any salary or retaining (and getting a effective player and pick for Trouba) there would’ve been dancing in the streets.

For some reason I got deja vu reading this.

I think it takes your GM years, probably after he's gone, to really see the effect he's had. Gorton is aging like cheap meat in the African heat.

I still don't have any opinion on Drury yet.

 

[UnSandvich]

I read that article. The respondents were generally positive on Drury. There was one person who commented that they weren't sure if he would go because of Dolan; that with him as owner you don't know if Drury is safe. Someone noted he had his core and has been hit or miss with his moves adding around it. Another person said the way he was decisive in moving on from Trouba and Goodrow exemplifies the stuff you want in the guy trying to do a retool or rebuild. Talked about him being a guy who actively tries to do his job and not every guy is proactive like that.

Everyone was generally complimentary of Lavi. The stuff that was negative wasn't so much an indictment of him as a coach, just an acknowledgement that he's tried everything and maybe has nothing else to try and because of that they may need to make a change.

All in all I would say the stuff about Laviolette was generally on par with what you read here outside of the loonies who thinks he's a terrible coach. The stuff about Drury however I think painted a much more positive picture of him than the consensus on this board.

Yeah i didnt want to get TOO in detail here with stuff given its technically paid content

 

[DolansKazoo]

Deangelo getting kicked off yet another squad.

Couldn’t happen to a worse guy

That you Georgiev?

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

I’m as pro-Drury as anyone on the board and he’s had his hits and misses but people have had an ax to grind against him since he traded Buchnevich. Bad trade but he never had a chance in most folks eyes because of that.

He’s handled the timing of some moves horrible and with a heavy hand, but if you told people this time last year that he removed Trouba and Goodrow without taking back any salary or retaining (and getting a effective player and pick for Trouba) there would’ve been dancing in the streets.

The problem is people only want to look at Drurys moves in isolation and not in the context of his tenure where they’re always worse. Goodrow and trouba moves by themselves were amazing until you realize the team had to use these bad players for years costing themselves playoff wins.

 

[McRanger92]

The problem is people only want to look at Drurys moves in isolation and not in the context of his tenure where they’re always worse. Goodrow and trouba moves by themselves were amazing until you realize the team had to use these bad players for years costing themselves playoff wins.

Goodrow was mostly good and injured in the playoffs. Hardly costing us games. Trouba was traded for and signed by Gorton.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Goodrow was mostly good and injured in the playoffs. Hardly costing us games. Trouba was traded for and signed by Gorton.

I mean Goodrow was horrible in every playoffs and put up a 30% xgf as a NYR so yeah. And for Trouba all the team ever did was double down on him during Drurys tenure. Named him captain and rolled him like he was Chris Pronger through the conference finals multiple times. You phase out players like that so that when you try to get rid of them it’s not a California backyard level shitstorm. But in typical Drury fashion it took him 10x as long as the fans to recognize the bad player is bad so he had to rip the bandaid off and it was a circus.

 

[n8]

Just saying, teeeeeechnically Sam Carrick was traded for a 1st round pick last TDL so surely he could get one this TDL a la Barclay Goodrow to TB.

2024-Mar-06 Traded from Anaheim Ducks with rights to Ty Taylor and round 7 pick in the 2024 draft (William Nicholl) to Edmonton Oilers for round 1 pick in the 2024 draft (Ben Danford) and conditional round 5 pick in the 2025 draft

The real deal included Henrique who went through TB for salary retention reasons

 

[noncents]

Goodrow was mostly good and injured in the playoffs. Hardly costing us games. Trouba was traded for and signed by Gorton.

No, he wasn't. Don't lie.

 

[GAGLine]

Eddie!!!

Wrong thread.

 

[bernmeister]

Zib AGAIN poor checking, including this time leads to GW goal

... but I'm wrong for pushing we dump this guy

 

[McRanger92]

I can't wait for Panarin to be gone. The entire team defers to him so he can miss the net or turn the puck over in the dumbest way possible. There's a good team in there when their 2 highest goal scorers aren't complete chumps.

 

[rangers1314]

Tony got cut from his Russian team?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Imo they need a trade. It looks like Kreider is not movable right now so for me I'd move Lindgren, Smith, Jones in a package or for some picks that can be used to land a top 4 dmen . For me you end up with

Panarin Trochek Kaliyev
Cuylle Chytil Lafreniere
Kreider Zib Berard
Edstrom Carrick Rempe

Dman Fox
Miller Borgen
Vaak Schneider

We need to find more scoring from within, maybe the recreated kid line gets Lafreniere going and maybe Panarin unlocks Kaliyev. Get Berard back up to play jesper fast on the zib line. Id like Othmann in the lineup as well as berard, that would likely only happe after a Kreider trade imo.

 

[McRanger92]

Imo they need a trade. It looks like Kreider is not movable right now so for me I'd move Lindgren, Smith, Jones in a package or for some picks that can be used to land a top 4 dmen . For me you end up with

Panarin Trochek Kaliyev
Cuylle Chytil Lafreniere
Kreider Zib Berard
Edstrom Carrick Rempe

Dman Fox
Miller Borgen
Vaak Schneider

We need to find more scoring from within, maybe the recreated kid line gets Lafreniere going and maybe Panarin unlocks Kaliyev. Get Berard back up to play jesper fast on the zib line. Id like Othmann in the lineup as well as berard, that would likely only happe after a Kreider trade imo.

No team is making trades right now. The time for that passed when the new Year came and went. This is the team until after the Four Nations.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Tony got cut from his Russian team?

Nah, family reasons, had to return back. Was basically the teams leading scorer as a defenseman when he left. Bad news for SKA.

 

[MrAlmost]

Make these damn trades sooner. Get rid of Kreider, Lindgren, Smith, and Vesey. Maybe Borgen but I guess maybe keep him.

Panarin maybe? Igor maybe? Gotta have that talk with them.

We should package Chytil and Schneider for a real center. I'd send them to Van for Pettersson. Not Miller.

Gosh I just don't like these vets anymore and I know they are shitty leaders which is why our young players struggle and I hate igors contract. I'd trade him regardless of talking to him. Don't want any part of that. Drurys worst move.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Posted in the GDT, should be posted here as well:

The top 3 lines have not scored an ES goal in the last 11 periods and 15 minutes.

That is so pathetic.

The trade deadline can't come soon enough, ship out the rotten core.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I’m as pro-Drury as anyone on the board and he’s had his hits and misses but people have had an ax to grind against him since he traded Buchnevich. Bad trade but he never had a chance in most folks eyes because of that.

He’s handled the timing of some moves horrible and with a heavy hand, but if you told people this time last year that he removed Trouba and Goodrow without taking back any salary or retaining (and getting a effective player and pick for Trouba) there would’ve been dancing in the streets.

The problem with the Buchnevich trade is that it wasn't like the McDonagh trade where the prospects just didn't pan out. At his best Blais was a good 4th liner and a 2 is not a 1. So there was literally nothing that could have been done to get even close to equal value for Buch.

 

[McRanger92]

The problem with the Buchnevich trade is that it wasn't like the McDonagh trade where the prospects just didn't pan out. At his best Blais was a good 4th liner and a 2 is not a 1. So there was literally nothing that could have been done to get even close to equal value for Buch.

Im not defending the trade. He could've gotten a 1st and a top prospect and it would not have been enough for the delusional Buchnevich stans. We've only stopped hearing his name recently because it's obvious his presence on the team wouldnt have changed anything over the last 5 years.

But I digress.

 

[leetch99]

but you wanna resign lindgren

You should stop reading or replying.....you are missing a lot it seems .