Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

[UnSandvich]

This twitter thread as a few tidbits on trades and thinking. It's a paywall article.

In a nutshell:
Will they make the playoffs?
4 Y
5 N

What would you fix first?
Defense, culture, core all came up

Who should be traded first?
Most said Zib/Kreider, one brought up Miller

Should they keep Lavi?
2 clear nos, some mixed answers, some yes's

Should they keep Drury?
Mostly Yes's, but a bit mixed.

Should they burn it down completely and full rebuild (including guys like Fox)?
Resounding no

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Deangelo getting kicked off yet another squad.

Couldn’t happen to a worse guy

 

[mike14]

In a nutshell:
Will they make the playoffs?
4 Y
5 N

What would you fix first?
Defense, culture, core all came up

Who should be traded first?
Most said Zib/Kreider, one brought up Miller

Should they keep Lavi?
2 clear nos, some mixed answers, some yes's

Should they keep Drury?
Mostly Yes's, but a bit mixed.

Should they burn it down completely and full rebuild (including guys like Fox)?
Resounding no

It scares me that all of that just sounds like a discussion on here...

 

[nyr2k2]

In a nutshell:
Will they make the playoffs?
4 Y
5 N

What would you fix first?
Defense, culture, core all came up

Who should be traded first?
Most said Zib/Kreider, one brought up Miller

Should they keep Lavi?
2 clear nos, some mixed answers, some yes's

Should they keep Drury?
Mostly Yes's, but a bit mixed.

Should they burn it down completely and full rebuild (including guys like Fox)?
Resounding no

I read that article. The respondents were generally positive on Drury. There was one person who commented that they weren't sure if he would go because of Dolan; that with him as owner you don't know if Drury is safe. Someone noted he had his core and has been hit or miss with his moves adding around it. Another person said the way he was decisive in moving on from Trouba and Goodrow exemplifies the stuff you want in the guy trying to do a retool or rebuild. Talked about him being a guy who actively tries to do his job and not every guy is proactive like that.

Everyone was generally complimentary of Lavi. The stuff that was negative wasn't so much an indictment of him as a coach, just an acknowledgement that he's tried everything and maybe has nothing else to try and because of that they may need to make a change.

All in all I would say the stuff about Laviolette was generally on par with what you read here outside of the loonies who thinks he's a terrible coach. The stuff about Drury however I think painted a much more positive picture of him than the consensus on this board.

 

[McRanger92]

I read that article. The respondents were generally positive on Drury. There was one person who commented that they weren't sure if he would go because of Dolan; that with him as owner you don't know if Drury is safe. Someone noted he had his core and has been hit or miss with his moves adding around it. Another person said the way he was decisive in moving on from Trouba and Goodrow exemplifies the stuff you want in the guy trying to do a retool or rebuild. Talked about him being a guy who actively tries to do his job and not every guy is proactive like that.

Everyone was generally complimentary of Lavi. The stuff that was negative wasn't so much an indictment of him as a coach, just an acknowledgement that he's tried everything and maybe has nothing else to try and because of that they may need to make a change.

All in all I would say the stuff about Laviolette was generally on par with what you read here outside of the loonies who thinks he's a terrible coach. The stuff about Drury however I think painted a much more positive picture of him than the consensus on this board.

I’m as pro-Drury as anyone on the board and he’s had his hits and misses but people have had an ax to grind against him since he traded Buchnevich. Bad trade but he never had a chance in most folks eyes because of that.

He’s handled the timing of some moves horrible and with a heavy hand, but if you told people this time last year that he removed Trouba and Goodrow without taking back any salary or retaining (and getting a effective player and pick for Trouba) there would’ve been dancing in the streets.

 

[Machinehead]

I’m as pro-Drury as anyone on the board and he’s had his hits and misses but people have had an ax to grind against him since he traded Buchnevich. Bad trade but he never had a chance in most folks eyes because of that.

He’s handled the timing of some moves horrible and with a heavy hand, but if you told people this time last year that he removed Trouba and Goodrow without taking back any salary or retaining (and getting a effective player and pick for Trouba) there would’ve been dancing in the streets.

For some reason I got deja vu reading this.

I think it takes your GM years, probably after he's gone, to really see the effect he's had. Gorton is aging like cheap meat in the African heat.

I still don't have any opinion on Drury yet.

 

[UnSandvich]

I read that article. The respondents were generally positive on Drury. There was one person who commented that they weren't sure if he would go because of Dolan; that with him as owner you don't know if Drury is safe. Someone noted he had his core and has been hit or miss with his moves adding around it. Another person said the way he was decisive in moving on from Trouba and Goodrow exemplifies the stuff you want in the guy trying to do a retool or rebuild. Talked about him being a guy who actively tries to do his job and not every guy is proactive like that.

Everyone was generally complimentary of Lavi. The stuff that was negative wasn't so much an indictment of him as a coach, just an acknowledgement that he's tried everything and maybe has nothing else to try and because of that they may need to make a change.

All in all I would say the stuff about Laviolette was generally on par with what you read here outside of the loonies who thinks he's a terrible coach. The stuff about Drury however I think painted a much more positive picture of him than the consensus on this board.

Yeah i didnt want to get TOO in detail here with stuff given its technically paid content

 

[DolansKazoo]

Deangelo getting kicked off yet another squad.

Couldn’t happen to a worse guy

That you Georgiev?

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

I’m as pro-Drury as anyone on the board and he’s had his hits and misses but people have had an ax to grind against him since he traded Buchnevich. Bad trade but he never had a chance in most folks eyes because of that.

He’s handled the timing of some moves horrible and with a heavy hand, but if you told people this time last year that he removed Trouba and Goodrow without taking back any salary or retaining (and getting a effective player and pick for Trouba) there would’ve been dancing in the streets.

The problem is people only want to look at Drurys moves in isolation and not in the context of his tenure where they’re always worse. Goodrow and trouba moves by themselves were amazing until you realize the team had to use these bad players for years costing themselves playoff wins.

 

[McRanger92]

The problem is people only want to look at Drurys moves in isolation and not in the context of his tenure where they’re always worse. Goodrow and trouba moves by themselves were amazing until you realize the team had to use these bad players for years costing themselves playoff wins.

Goodrow was mostly good and injured in the playoffs. Hardly costing us games. Trouba was traded for and signed by Gorton.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Goodrow was mostly good and injured in the playoffs. Hardly costing us games. Trouba was traded for and signed by Gorton.

I mean Goodrow was horrible in every playoffs and put up a 30% xgf as a NYR so yeah. And for Trouba all the team ever did was double down on him during Drurys tenure. Named him captain and rolled him like he was Chris Pronger through the conference finals multiple times. You phase out players like that so that when you try to get rid of them it’s not a California backyard level shitstorm. But in typical Drury fashion it took him 10x as long as the fans to recognize the bad player is bad so he had to rip the bandaid off and it was a circus.

 

[n8]

Just saying, teeeeeechnically Sam Carrick was traded for a 1st round pick last TDL so surely he could get one this TDL a la Barclay Goodrow to TB.

2024-Mar-06 Traded from Anaheim Ducks with rights to Ty Taylor and round 7 pick in the 2024 draft (William Nicholl) to Edmonton Oilers for round 1 pick in the 2024 draft (Ben Danford) and conditional round 5 pick in the 2025 draft

The real deal included Henrique who went through TB for salary retention reasons

 

[noncents]

Goodrow was mostly good and injured in the playoffs. Hardly costing us games. Trouba was traded for and signed by Gorton.

No, he wasn't. Don't lie.

 

[GAGLine]

Eddie!!!

Wrong thread.

 

[bernmeister]

Zib AGAIN poor checking, including this time leads to GW goal

... but I'm wrong for pushing we dump this guy