we just have nothing to offer Buffalo for Cozens. If only Chytil weren't made of glass.
Or even Byram. what would we be willing to give up for either of them?
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Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)
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Or even Byram. what would we be willing to give up for either of them?
McRanger92
Registered User
Buffalo would ask for Schneider in a Cozens deal which is a non starter from the rangers probably. Byram idk. I think the Rangers could get him relatively painlessly but Im not sure I want another guy like Chytil. It's too big of a risk. We need a top D who can handle physicality.
My first impression of Bryam was Colorado cup run and he was really impressive. Maybe that skews my thinking on him but he’s been relatively healthy. Isn’t it concussion issues?
McRanger92
Registered User
Believe so. Id want Byram as a Miller replacement if that was the path they took, rather than a Lindgren replacement. it's a meme but we do need a "Beukeboom" type to play with Fox. Someone who wont fall down if pressured and wont let teams take liberties with Fox or Igor.
Kocur Dill
picklicious
If I had a Master Plan for a quick retool.
Blueprint: 2025
1a Goalie signed long.
2b Garand.
Garand needs to keep progressing as well as raise his eventual trade value and/or step in successfully is something happens to Igor
Make sure Igor understands, Garand is getting 20 strategect starts based on season match-ups.
Defence:
Fox, Schneider.
Borgen + Vaak as 3rd pair. Cheap, no-frills, not dog shit/not game breakers. Young vets, solid enough if top-4 gets fixed. #meatandpotatoes
Offence:
Trocheck (C), Cyulle, Berard, Edstrom, Rempe, Carrick.
*Lafrenierre: Keep. Unless, Tkachuk or comparable unubtanium player breaks loose.
*Chytil: Keep. Ride or die with Phil. Unless he is an ask in a package for CLEAR upgrade in PON.
*Panarin: Keep. Unless he brings back a package we cant resist or Blue Chip 2-way Defence prospect.
Everyone else, sell for cap space, draft picks, or package for Top 4 Defense, Kid or Vet.
We have the Goalies. We need to prioritize Defence for the Goalies and play a SOUND defence first system. We need 2 Top 4 Defenceman and at least 2 prospects with a 2-3 year projection.
Draft Center and Defence first two rounds, draft character, motor, IQ after that. We need a system of kids that can fill the bottom 6 and 4 over the next decade.
We have wingers on deck, we have half a top 12.
We are the New York Rangers. With cap space we have no problem filling holes with high price skill via UFA. But we need a core and replacement players developing.
My plan would be to use Kreider, Zib, Chytil*, Panarin*, Smith, K Miller, Lindgren to 1st priority upgrade D and D prospects, then second priority get draft picks and/or 3rd/4th line prospects that are projected to be killers in all 3 zones, or at least their half.
Use money to make High Skill/High Cap a "role" at as few positions as possible.
The Torts era squad was almost there. It didnt work forever because we stopped drafting fillers to replace Cally, Duby, G, Staal, Boyle, Prust, Klein, etc...we kept drafting boom/bust kids to supplant the high dollar skill guys.
Since we suck at drafting skill, then maybe we should rethink our team building strategy with a 5 and 10 year+ outlook.
Blueprint: 2025
1a Goalie signed long.
2b Garand.
Garand needs to keep progressing as well as raise his eventual trade value and/or step in successfully is something happens to Igor
Make sure Igor understands, Garand is getting 20 strategect starts based on season match-ups.
Defence:
Fox, Schneider.
Borgen + Vaak as 3rd pair. Cheap, no-frills, not dog shit/not game breakers. Young vets, solid enough if top-4 gets fixed. #meatandpotatoes
Offence:
Trocheck (C), Cyulle, Berard, Edstrom, Rempe, Carrick.
*Lafrenierre: Keep. Unless, Tkachuk or comparable unubtanium player breaks loose.
*Chytil: Keep. Ride or die with Phil. Unless he is an ask in a package for CLEAR upgrade in PON.
*Panarin: Keep. Unless he brings back a package we cant resist or Blue Chip 2-way Defence prospect.
Everyone else, sell for cap space, draft picks, or package for Top 4 Defense, Kid or Vet.
We have the Goalies. We need to prioritize Defence for the Goalies and play a SOUND defence first system. We need 2 Top 4 Defenceman and at least 2 prospects with a 2-3 year projection.
Draft Center and Defence first two rounds, draft character, motor, IQ after that. We need a system of kids that can fill the bottom 6 and 4 over the next decade.
We have wingers on deck, we have half a top 12.
We are the New York Rangers. With cap space we have no problem filling holes with high price skill via UFA. But we need a core and replacement players developing.
My plan would be to use Kreider, Zib, Chytil*, Panarin*, Smith, K Miller, Lindgren to 1st priority upgrade D and D prospects, then second priority get draft picks and/or 3rd/4th line prospects that are projected to be killers in all 3 zones, or at least their half.
Use money to make High Skill/High Cap a "role" at as few positions as possible.
The Torts era squad was almost there. It didnt work forever because we stopped drafting fillers to replace Cally, Duby, G, Staal, Boyle, Prust, Klein, etc...we kept drafting boom/bust kids to supplant the high dollar skill guys.
Since we suck at drafting skill, then maybe we should rethink our team building strategy with a 5 and 10 year+ outlook.
NYR Viper
Registered User
I still like the idea of Miller for Mctavish. I'd be hoping for more coming back from Anaheim in that deal but that's the basis of a trade I would make. I think finding a good center is more important than fixing the defense, which I actually think could be improved quickly via UFA or shrewd trades for depth guys (see Vaak as an example).
FoxysExpensiveNYDigs
Boo Nieves Truther
Isn't Anaheim flush with defensemen/prospects? I don't see them adding another one.
leetch99
Leetch66 Joined 2007
He looked pretty good out there last night....fresh legs ?
I mean just because he's a shittier version of a good player doesn't mean he's bad. He isn't bad at all.
They gave up quite a bit to get him so it wasn't like he was some random find.
noncents
Registered User
does Holtz blow any less on Vegas?
McRanger92
Registered User
Rangers ruined his development too. Its an epidemic!
McRanger92
Registered User
He said "as of now" Mika has no interest in the West coast. Best case scenario for us is Mika keeping up the improved play.
would he waive for Buffalo?
I like it in theory but to your point about the defense, if we made a deal like this I don’t think you can solve the d-core with the Vaakaninens of the world, you’d have to pray that a Housely upgrade is what was needed on the back end.
Provorov
Walman
Chychrun
Pettersson
Gavrikov
do we just wait to throw a bag at Gavrikov?
It truly kills me watching Lindgren
Walman
Chychrun
Pettersson
Gavrikov
do we just wait to throw a bag at Gavrikov?
It truly kills me watching Lindgren
cut his hair and train hard in the offseason.... that's would be our greatest outcome
haohmaru
boomshakalaka
He might wave to Buffalo. Not waive.
i am not big on trade proposals
but saw note recently that Leafs seeking C w term
and then today a tweet they might offer Cowan (RW 28OA'23)
I consider something like
Zib for Tavares (rental, Cap balancing) plus Cowan and sweetener such as either of their pending RFA AHL Finnish Ds (Pack depth, and eventual chum for Vaisanan, he'll be there soon)
Could maybe flip JT at TDL to a contender, if he's willing
but saw note recently that Leafs seeking C w term
and then today a tweet they might offer Cowan (RW 28OA'23)
I consider something like
Zib for Tavares (rental, Cap balancing) plus Cowan and sweetener such as either of their pending RFA AHL Finnish Ds (Pack depth, and eventual chum for Vaisanan, he'll be there soon)
Could maybe flip JT at TDL to a contender, if he's willing
SA16
Sixstring
Tavares has a full NMC and grew up wearing Leafs pajamas. He will not be accepting a trade.
Kocur Dill
picklicious
Whats worse than a clock puncher who's checked out?
One that doesnt care if he's wanted by managment or liked by fans and local media.
Just, nestled right into the ass grove of the couch, check out, cash check, ftw.
Great mentality for the rest of the guys to emulate, stop trying if no rewards for trying, or asking out/not resigning because NMC guy is unmotivated and comfy.
No he still sucks but the Devils bascially did what the Rangers did with Kakko except they traded their guy much earlier.
eco's bones
Registered User
Not all but there's a lot I like in this. Borgen should be moved. He'll be a UFA....that's an automatic for me. There are potentially (if they're not signed in between now and free agency) several defensemen that could help out as top 4--Gavrikov, Pettersson, Provorov---maybe Chychrun, maybe Orlov or even maybe Pionk again or Forbort as a bottom 6--he's a huge, strong physical very good penalty killer. Kovacevic if they want to rob our friends across the river. Probably others I'm missing.
The Rangers IMO should make deadline trades for picks, prospects and young players and since they should have a decent amount of cap space spend that on fixing their D or even going after a forward or two in free agency. You get the younger assets at the deadline and fix the defense etc. in July.
The deadline is 21 games away.....the after deadline is 20 games. Even if the team makes a run and jumps a few teams I don't see us being in actual playoff position by the deadline. A team is either selling or buying. If you're buying you're counting on the playoffs and you're almost always selling off younger assets. If you're buying and miss the playoffs----it's catastrophe and it could even be catastrophic if you do make the playoffs and the team accomplishes nothing other than depleting its prospect pool. That's the kind of shit that sets teams back years. So Drury's mind needs to be in at least somewhat the right place.....even if there's hints that this is it for him.
NYR Viper
Registered User
I think it's Gavrikov and then someone like Orlov or Provorov.
Gavrikov-Fox
Olrov/Provorov-Schneider
Vaakanainen-___________
Maybe that spot is Mancini? Maybe it's another veteran UFA on a short term deal?
noncents
Registered User
Borgen isn't going anywhere. the optic is they cashed in on Kakko, like a hockey trade where we now need to resign him
